Jean/Logan: The Evolving Relationship.

[Kurosawa]

Honestly the whole Jean/Logan thing was a huge retcon done during the early ninties most prominently. During the Phoenix Saga Wolverine may have had a crush on Jean, but there was absolutely no indication that she had feelings for anyone but Scott

That's 100% true. She never had feelings for him in the original stories. that's a retcon and a disgusting one. It's led to the complete, revolting blasphemous farce that is X3 and is partially responsable for Cyclops certain death in that idiotic piece of **** movie.

Stuff like that is why I will always ****ing hate Wolverine.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I actually agree with FieryBalrog. Jean and Logan's relationship is not only about lust. I recall the issue where Logan's adamantium gets ripped out of him by Magneto and it's Jean that Logan comes back from near death to save.

Plus, and this is probably a very unpopular opinion, but I feel (especially after Scott and Emma) that if given the chance Logan would be more loyal to Jean than Scott would. I always felt that even though Jean and Scott were very much in love, it just never grew out of the "first love" stage. I don't think Scott particulary understands Jean. He always seems to not understand the more eviceral/powerful/animalistic side of Jean, whereas Logan very much understood it and they were kindred spirits in that respect. I just think, when push comes to shove, Logan would be down for Jean moreso than Scott.

Thank you for putting it out so clearly.

 

[Darkie]

Jean has attraction of him (wolvie) or maybe not?

 

[Kurosawa]

New X-men 148, its an awesome Jean-Logan comic. They dont get it on physically at all. And the relationship is so beautifully delineated, under the surface of the words. NXM 117 where they talk in the woods.

Phoenix Endsong #3. Some more great J-Lo moments.

Hell, even the first few times they interact. The Christmas issue (UXM 98). The issue where Jean pilots the shuttle back (UXM 100).

I might have been a fan of Scott-Jean, but its wrecked in the comics. I dont want them together again ever after what happened. "Timeless", heh . It took a pair of silicone fakes to break up their relationship.

Scott & Emma getting it on at Jean's grave:

Anybody who understands the first thing about Cyclops knows that that scene and indeed the whole Emma relationship is COMPLETELY out of character for Scott and is 110% bull****.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I think she's considered getting him lovedrunk off her hump.




You need to watch the scene again.

Dude...I've seen that scene like 20 times. -sighs- its my fave... i mean come on...she tickled him. hehe. oi... atleast he was gentle when he touched her hand..that time. i think the scene was a start of their "friendship" ... Damn that tickles... hehe. er... -sighs- I can't explain how I feel about the whole scene. Its cute and sad... That was my fave Jean/Logan moment. "U wanna be my best friend, Jean?" "Sure, Logan. Friends forever" errr not... hence X3.

 

[Abaddon]

I would just like to point out that Jean told Scott to "Live". Get over his grief. Not "make-out-on-my-grave! hey, feel free!"

He's referring to Jeans return post-Planet X.

 

[Abaddon]

Dude...I've seen that scene like 20 times. -sighs- its my fave... i mean come on...she tickled him. hehe. oi... atleast he was gentle when he touched her hand..that time. i think the scene was a start of their "friendship" ... Damn that tickles... hehe. er... -sighs- I can't explain how I feel about the whole scene. Its cute and sad... That was my fave Jean/Logan moment. "U wanna be my best friend, Jean?" "Sure, Logan. Friends forever" errr not... hence X3.

Guys don't flirt that much with women,unless we want something.Something that rhymes with wussy.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

-pouts- If anyone is interested in a website related to Jean/Logan... PM Me... Im also thinking of doing a Jean/Scott one too...

 

[FieryBalrog]

He's referring to Jeans return post-Planet X.

The only time she returns post Planet X is Endsong, and that happens before Endsong.

Unless you mean HCT, which is what my "Live" comment addresses.

Its meaningless to say anyone forced Cyke and Emma to tongue each other in a graveyard.

 

[FieryBalrog]

Anybody who understands the first thing about Cyclops knows that that scene and indeed the whole Emma relationship is COMPLETELY out of character for Scott and is 110% bull****.

Well I'd agree, but that's whats happening in comics right now and its pretty much here to stay by every indication. So Jean-Scott is wrecked, and Cyclops has become a bit pathetic.

The guy has never been very good with his romantic relationships, but this is a line I dont think he would cross. Regardless unless some major retconnage happens I hope its over between J and S.

 

[Abaddon]

Jean gave a psychic push to prevent the HCT reality

 

[Abaddon]

Well I'd agree, but that's whats happening in comics right now and its pretty much here to stay by every indication. So Jean-Scott is wrecked, and Cyclops has become a bit pathetic.

Well he did abandon Madelyne Pryor after Jean came back the first time.

 

[cookiva]

Anybody who understands the first thing about Cyclops knows that that scene and indeed the whole Emma relationship is COMPLETELY out of character for Scott and is 110% bull****.

Even I agree with this. Scott and Emma is scary...

 

[FieryBalrog]

Jean gave a psychic push to prevent the HCT reality

back to square one:

Originally Posted by FieryBalrog
I would just like to point out that Jean told Scott to "Live". Get over his grief. Not "make-out-on-my-grave! hey, feel free!"

And btw, the pic I posted is the second time. First is at the end of 154. This is a different time, as evidenced by the quotes. There's really no excuse.

 

[Abaddon]

Her telling him to live really isnt enough

 

[FieryBalrog]

Her telling him to live really isnt enough

There ya go. Thats all she does to repair HCT, the hole in Scott's heart.

And right, because unless Scott deepthroated Emma at Jean's grave, HCT would come to pass...

 

[Abaddon]

well I was never so much talking about the incident itself.And I still believe there is something else at work in the relationship anyway.

 

[Bishop2]

Not a fan of this relationship at all, but I feel you guys who do feel this little relationship needed your own thread because you were in the RoLo Thread ALOT.

I agree that this is not a relationship I'm interested in at all. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I HATE how much Singer's pushed this on us in the first two films. It's always been about Scott/Jean. Everyone who's not Singer pretty much knows that.

 

[FieryBalrog]

I agree that this is not a relationship I'm interested in at all. In fact, I'd go so far as to say I HATE how much Singer's pushed this on us in the first two films. It's always been about Scott/Jean. Everyone who's not Singer pretty much knows that.

Everyone except Singer, Scott and Emma apparently.

 

[Loganbabe]

It just seems, to me, that people like this relationship because they either hate cyclops or mistake lust for love....

And many dislike the possibilty of a Jean/Logan relationship because they hate Wolverine and mistake his love for lust, like he´s only a sex crazed animal. I don´t care if the love he felt for Jean was only a platonic kind a love, he still loved her, deeply - ah, and I´m talking about the comics here, people. Maybe their relationship would never work out in the "real world", but so what? It´s still romantic and emotional, and Grant Morrison showed it quite well on his Planet X arc. Inside Asteroid M we could feel the love and understanding between Jean and Logan, much more than any other Scott and Emma scene.
But like I said, I really don´t care if Jean and Scott are destined to be the eternal couple in the minds of the strangely conservative X-Men fans, even if Scott is with Emma now. Just don´t say that Logan never loved Jean, only lusted after her, and that she never loved him back, even if in a platonic and fraternal kind of way. Now THAT would be a big retcon.

 

[Abaddon]

I think most of us are referring to the movie.

 

[Bishop2]

Everyone except Singer, Scott and Emma apparently.

You know what? I actually don't mind Scott/Emma, because I'm so sick of the on-again/off-again nature of the Scott/Jean relationship that it doesn't bother me if they finally move the hell on. But Logan/Jean has always made Logan look totally pathetic. Always trying to steal away another guy's wife, always pining for someone who's clearly taken because she looks like some chick he used to like before she was dead. Get over it, Howlett.

Of course, Scott/Emma didn't exist when Singer was making the movies and treating Scott like the ultimate ***** of the universe, so it's a moot point.

 

[Celestial]

We can see Jean evolving through the two movies. She's becoming more aware of her power and shows a wish to use it, and yet Scott (and Prof X) are trying to hold her back. They mean well, but it's like parents trying to protect a child who's eager to explore the world for herself. ("I'll take care of you") When Logan arrives, he challenges her. He suggests that Scott is holding her back. He shows belief in her and her ability to control her powers - something that appears to be lacking with Scott. So Scott represents a safe, controlled haven whereas Logan represents a new, dangerous and exhilarating future. It's not love vs lust so much as responsibility vs freedom.

 

[FieryBalrog]

You know what? I actually don't mind Scott/Emma, because I'm so sick of the on-again/off-again nature of the Scott/Jean relationship that it doesn't bother me if they finally move the hell on. But Logan/Jean has always made Logan look totally pathetic. Always trying to steal away another guy's wife, always pining for someone who's clearly taken because she looks like some chick he used to like before she was dead. Get over it, Howlett.

Of course, Scott/Emma didn't exist when Singer was making the movies and treating Scott like the ultimate ***** of the universe, so it's a moot point.

I have the opposite viewpoint. I think Scott/Emma had/to some extent has Scott as Emma's lapdog, and I dont get that pathetic feeling from Logan's love for Jean at all. Not to mention the whole process by which Cyke and Emma became an item made Scott out to be pretty sad.

One of the reasons I like Whedon is because Scott actually has a bit of backbone when written by him.

 

[Kurosawa]

There ya go. Thats all she does to repair HCT, the hole in Scott's heart.

And right, because unless Scott deepthroated Emma at Jean's grave, HCT would come to pass...

Even if Jean tells Scott to "live", he would not respond to that by shacking up with a ****e like Emma Frost.

No Jean=Scott living a quiet life of celibacy in her honor and due to his mourning. That's Cyclops written in character.