Justice League: News and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 48

[KillerWolf]

Ah, here's an answer pertaining to Momoa and Guinness. Dr Lee was on the right track:

http://www.ew.com/article/2016/08/26/game-thrones-jason-momoa-guinness-beer

 

[Pants Under Underpants]

Stouts are not my cup of tea (or rather glass of beer ), but to each their own.

I love a good stout, but I don't consider Guinness a good stout. It tastes so watered down and flavorless. I do, however, love Guinness's Galway Gold Ale. It's perfection in a glass!

 

[KillerWolf]

I love a good stout, but I don't consider Guinness a good stout. It tastes so watered down and flavorless. I do, however, love Guinness's Galway Gold Ale. It's perfection in a glass!

It's not that I don't drink them at all, they're just not my preferred choice, I am more of an ale and pale lager kind of guy. Didn't have a pleasure of tasting that one though... I'll write that down.

 

[OutOfBoose]

A Batman movie that embraces the noir aesthetic of BTAS is my absolute dream film.

Same.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I feel like drinking some Guinness now.

 

[RadioSha]

Same.

I know that Live By Night is not noir, but it's got a similar flavor for the settings of some noir movies.

 

[Guts]

Totally agreed. Thats one of my few personal disappointments from BvS. I was hoping to see a noirish, gothic Gotham City but, what little we did see, it just looked like a regular looking city. No artistic touches to it which is suprising coming from a visual guy like Snyder.

There was a Gothic looking building in the background of one scene.

 

[RadioSha]

This has very little relevance of what is being said right now but I just want to point out...

Hans Zimmer's Superman theme has replaced John Williams' for me. It just feels more what Superman means to the people of this generation. It's a theme that doesn't call too much attention to itself. It listens. It listens to what you hope to be or what you hope for the world. It's one of Zimmer's finest work imo.

 

[Dr Lee]

IMHO, the two themes are too different to say that one has replaced the other.

 

[RadioSha]

IMHO, the two themes are too different to say that one has replaced the other.

That's why I said for me. It's more of a reflection. Williams's score feels like something you would play before getting into a ring with someone. There's a certain pompousness to it which is nonexistent in Zimmer's. And that's how I like my Superman.

Less "here I am in front of you people" and more "here I am among you people."

 

[jfurioso]

That's why I said for me. It's more of a reflection. Williams's score feels like something you would play before getting into a ring with someone. There's a certain pompousness to it which is nonexistent in Zimmer's. And that's how I like my Superman.

Interesting. Williams is more a triumphant hymn. Zimmer gives us a more sedate one, with elegiac instances and less bombastic assurance even in its moment of exaltation.

Less "here I am in front of you people" and more "here I am among you people."

More immanent while Williams is transcendent?

 

[Jaxon]

That's why I said for me. It's more of a reflection. Williams's score feels like something you would play before getting into a ring with someone. There's a certain pompousness to it which is nonexistent in Zimmer's. And that's how I like my Superman.

Less "here I am in front of you people" and more "here I am among you people."

I think Williams score was based off the old newsrooms wasn't it? I heard Zimmer say he really wanted to use the Kansas piano sound through Ideal for Hope to emphasis Clark in the origin of the theme before bringing the uplift of Superman into it. Guy is a genius.

 

[jfurioso]

The whole immanent/transcendent thing can be said to be an interesting core theme for Superman. I remember Elliot Maggin exploring it first (that I know) in the comics.

One of my favorite Superman comics had a depowered Kryptonian doppelganger demanding that Superman relinquish to him his Clark Kent identity. He said that Clark had a great life: an important job, friends, etc. while Superman could be whoever he wanted. But Supes replied being Clark was being him too, and every bit as part of his identity as Superman was.

I do not remember if Cary Bates wrote that one.

That is something I can see Henry stating, in a scene precisely about the reestablishment of the CK identity in the wake of his supposed death.

 

[brandeezy89]

#Deathstroke and #Robin #MoheganSun20

Anna should be Babs tbh

 

[matt47]

Good god no

 

[RadioSha]

The whole immanent/transcendent thing can be said to be an interesting core theme for Superman. I remember Elliot Maggin exploring it first (that I know) in the comics.

One of my favorite Superman comics had a depowered Kryptonian doppelganger demanding that Superman relinquish to him his Clark Kent identity. He said that Clark had a great life: an important job, friends, etc. while Superman could be whoever he wanted. But Supes replied being Clark was being him too, and every bit as part of his identity as Superman was.

I do not remember if Cary Bates wrote that one.

That is something I can see Henry stating, in a scene precisely about the reestablishment of the CK identity in the wake of his supposed death.

Cool! Learning new things today.

Yeah. I guess liking either theme depends on the type of person you are and how you project yourself and your fantasies. Also, I think with the current state of America not being at the forefront of everything (and in some instances lagging), I feel that Zimmer's theme has a certain humbleness to it that Superman and America are virtually trying to grapple with together. This analogy may never have been intended in MoS, but the theme at least feels like it's an introversion as to the consequences of what America has done and what it is becoming. And by becoming, I mean what Snyder and Goyer wants Superman to be- an anti-drone, humanitarian interventionist trying to right the wrong of the past.

However, if you look at it from Batman's pov, it's the total opposite. Superman is identified as the "other" who has brought the war to his world and has gone on this crusade to stop him completely, painting all Kryptonians as the same, irredeemable, and dangerous.

But I digress. There's "hope" in both themes, but I find that Zimmer's theme strives to a promise of a better tomorrow rather than bang drums at the finish line.

 

[Pants Under Underpants]

Anna should be Babs tbh

She needs to gain some weight. She's all teeth now.

 

[Jaxon]

She needs to gain some weight. She's all teeth now.

Saw Mike and Dave's ....the other day, wow was she miscast and terrible. I don't know about her as an actress, can't imagine her not having this angsty type role.

 

[Pants Under Underpants]

Saw Mike and Dave's ....the other day, wow was she miscast and terrible. I don't know about her as an actress, can't imagine her not having this angsty type role.

I really liked her back in the day. She was great in Up In The Air. But now she's just....idk. It didn't help that Mr. Right was so bad.

 

[matt47]

I really liked her back in the day. She was great in Up In The Air. But now she's just....idk. It didn't help that Mr. Right was so bad.

Yeah I loved her in 50/50. But I think too many people told her how cute she is.

 

[Pants Under Underpants]

Yeah I loved her in 50/50. But I think too many people told her how cute she is.

That's exactly right. Same with Jennifer Lawrence, who I cannot stand.

 

[Jaxon]

That's exactly right. Same with Jennifer Lawrence, who I cannot stand.

Yes, someone who Fox thought could bring in the female audience to x-men like ScarJo does in the MCU.

 

[Pants Under Underpants]

Yes, someone who Fox thought could bring in the female audience to x-men like ScarJo does in the MCU.

Does Black Widow bring in female audiences though? Maybe a few little girls, but I've never spoken to anyone whom said they see those movies because of her.

 

[idiot09]

She does bring in a a male audience though. Speaking of which I love that Mera's costume didnt show a lot of skin unnecessarily and make her "sexy" in that way, I mean in nearly everyScarlett Witch scene she had a lot of cleavage in show, and I felt it was cheap and unnecessary. Same with BW's skintight costume and the pathetic camera movement around Scarlett Johansson always coming in low from behind. I'm so happy Zack isnt like that, he didnt feel like making the suit "sexy" and that his movies dont have the "male gaze".

I mean just see this from 29 seconds.And I see this in so many movies.So pathetic.

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[matt47]

She does bring in a a male audience though. Speaking of which I love that Mera's costume didnt show a lot of skin unnecessarily and make her "sexy" in that way, I mean in nearly everyScarlett Witch scene she had a lot of cleavage in show, and I felt it was cheap and unnecessary. Same with BW's skintight costume and the pathetic camera movement around Scarlett Johansson always coming in low from behind. I'm so happy Zack isnt like that, he didnt feel like making the suit "sexy" and that his movies dont have the "male gaze".

I mean just see this from 29 seconds.And I see this in so many movies.So pathetic.

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Too bad Ayer was the worst.