Justice League Status Updates Thread

[JokerLedger]

Perfect.

 

[KalMart]

Perfect.

Two bad it ain't happening with two of 'em.

 

[TheVileOne]

I think it's safe to say that at this point no-one at Warner Bros. actually knows what they are doing with the DC universe other than Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern getting new movies.

This.

 

[Paroxysm]

Two bad it ain't happening with two of 'em.

It ain't happening with any of them.

 

[TheVileOne]

Which again if Green Lantern is a huge hit is freaking ******ed.

 

[TheVileOne]

Also and here's my thing. If you do a Justice League movie even if its another thing, why not just make an offer to Bale anyway? McG convinced Bale to work in Terminator 4 which Bale turned down at first and was reluctant to do.

Just saying, dude has a family and has to make money. This gives him an outlet to make money to continue to make his acting/art house projects.

Why wouldn't he play Batman again or want to play him? Sean Connery even came back in the 1980's to do that unofficial Bond movie.

 

[Karelia]

I just don't see WB not sticking with the same actors. It doesn't have to be tied into the solo-movies, just have the same actors so it doesn't confuse people. I can understand replacing Bale, but not RR and Cavill since they're just now starting to play the characters. Doesn't make sense. Hopefully they put this on hold for a little bit, or get the same actors.

 

[Lestat74]

Here's the thing: No REAL decisions are going to be made in regard to the JLA movie until A: Green Lantern opens and B: The Avengers opens. Period. Warners are not exactly a take risks kind of studio, especially with their super hero movies.

Here are your possible/probable outcomes:

1: Green Lantern opens an does respectable, but not great, business. If that is the case, then plans will probably still move forward with a JLA movie, with Ryan Reynolds as GL. Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman will likely be different than their other movie/tv counterparts. And frankly, those three characters are so iconic and well known that it won't be that weird for people to accept other people in these roles at the same time as someone else is playing them. The DC Trinity is now in the echelons of characters like Sherlock Holmes, Dracula, and James Bond. We can have mutlitple versions of these characters and people will get it. GL, Flash etc, well...they are essentially brand new characters to the mainstream. They don't have the same leeway. I imagine that Green Lantern and Flash will be in continuity with the JLA movie.

2:Green Lantern opens huge and is this year's Iron Man. If this happens, not only does Ryan Reynold's asking price suddenly go WAY up, but I imagine production will start almost instantly on GL 2. That makes him too busy for JLA. HOWEVER...in GL 2 they could introduce John Stewart as his partner and "back up" GL on Earth when he is away. Leaves that character open for the JLA movie, and will answer critics who say the JLA is the "all white people" league. Besides, the most well known/seen version of the League is the cartoon, so a certain segement of the audience will expect him anyway.

And I actually think Robinov misspoke when he said Flash would be JLA spin off movie, Now with Wonder Woman, that I could see, but Flash is pretty far along in the script process and it is a pet character for the Green Lantern producers. Again, if Green Lantern opens huge and does Iron Man like business, then expect Flash next. If GL underperforms, then maybe expect Flash in a JLA movie first.

For now though, I think Warners will sit back, wait to see how Avengers rolls out, and will make their final decisions then. And only then.

 

[TheVileOne]

Those strategies make no sense and are merely speculation based on your own opinions.

 

[Sawyer]

Warner Bros. has no buisness trying to do a JLA movie at this stage of the game. They're slowly but surely gaining momentum with stuff that isn't just Batman, but they're getting waaaay ahead of themselves if they think that this is a good idea.

 

[PSYLENTGuardian]

I certainly feel like WB's gunning for an Avengers rival with a JLA movie. That may not be the case, but to me, it also feels like they'd be rushing through the project.

Again, it may not end up being put out there as some kind of Avengers rival; and given the time between now and some time after Snyder's Superman, it may not be rushed through too much, either.

 

[Lestat74]

Those strategies make no sense and are merely speculation based on your own opinions.

I never said it wasn't speculation based on my own opinions. But I don't see how anything I've said "doesn't make sense". You can't say Warners has ever been very bold about their DC properties, at least not with a straight face. How many scripts/directors have been attached to the likes of Flash and Wonder Woman over the years? Dozens. It took forever to get Superman Returns made, something like a decade. Millions spent, with nothing to show for it in most cases. JLA was this close to happening before. If you don't think they are gonna wait and see how Avengers does before shooting begins on JLA, then you haven't been paying attention to how Warners behaves as a studio all these years.

Warners (and most studios) follow a certain pattern of behavior, and my speculation pretty much comes from that. I don't think I said anything illogical.

 

[protocida]

Those strategies make no sense and are merely speculation based on your own opinions.

Dude, stop acting like a *****e.

 

[TheVileOne]

You stop.

 

[MadVillainy]

what are you guys 4 years old?

 

[Paroxysm]

lol

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Those strategies make no sense and are merely speculation based on your own opinions.

Thanks for pointing that out. I would've never figured that out that the post was his opinion otherwise.

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

Also and here's my thing. If you do a Justice League movie even if its another thing, why not just make an offer to Bale anyway? McG convinced Bale to work in Terminator 4 which Bale turned down at first and was reluctant to do.

Just saying, dude has a family and has to make money. This gives him an outlet to make money to continue to make his acting/art house projects.

Why wouldn't he play Batman again or want to play him? Sean Connery even came back in the 1980's to do that unofficial Bond movie.

No se... A guy with Bale's clout plus a character that is already one of the most(if not THE most) known of the group sounds like a recipee for a Batman centric Justice League. Since Batman is already so prevalent that we're talking about rebooting before the next film shoots, , I'm kinda hoping any Justice League effort spotlights the other characters.

Case in point...this.

 

[Grim Goblin]

If I understand WB's plan right, their idea for a standalone Justice League movie will cause some serious confusion (for the GA at least). So they're going to reboot Batman, Superman and have a GL movie with no connection to the Justice League. Then they'll do JL, followed by possible spinoffs like WW and Flash. If that happens, you'll have some franchises in canon with JL and some that aren't, and the GA will scratch their heads wondering why certain heroes make reference to JL while the others act like it doesn't exist. On the other hand, every franchise could do it's own thing but then whenever there's a big threat, people are gonna wonder why the hero doesn't just call backup from the League, except there is no league outside of that particular franchise... You get the point, fans like us who are used to Crisises and Multiverses aren't going to have a problem making the transition from one film to the next, but the GA might be seriously lost in all of this.

 

[Lestat74]

If I understand WB's plan right, their idea for a standalone Justice League movie will cause some serious confusion (for the GA at least). So they're going to reboot Batman, Superman and have a GL movie with no connection to the Justice League. Then they'll do JL, followed by possible spinoffs like WW and Flash. If that happens, you'll have some franchises in canon with JL and some that aren't, and the GA will scratch their heads wondering why certain heroes make reference to JL while the others act like it doesn't exist. On the other hand, every franchise could do it's own thing but then whenever there's a big threat, people are gonna wonder why the hero doesn't just call backup from the League, except there is no league outside of that particular franchise... You get the point, fans like us who are used to Crisises and Multiverses aren't going to have a problem making the transition from one film to the next, but the GA might be seriously lost in all of this.

I hate to say it, at the risk of sounding snobbish, but the GA doesn't pay attention to this kind of stuff the way we fanboys do. We are programmed to see how this fits with that and we love doing it, but (for the most) part...they don't really care. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to co workers and relatives who didn't know that Batman Begins and The Dark Knigt were not meant to be in any way related to the older movies. If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me how Heath Ledger's Joker turned into Jack Nicholson later on....good grief. And these are mostly smart, yet ordinary people. They just wanna sit back and enjoy the show for two hours. It is US who obsess about how this fits with that and what not. They mostly don't care.

 

[Orin]

Exactly. Normal people aren't as obsessed with these characters and the actors playing them as we are. If they see someone else playing Batman, MAYBE they're gonna ask "wasn't he played by this Bale guy in the movie where he fought Heath Ledger as the Joker?" or something like that. But that's it. Nobody's gonna go "Why isn't Christian Bale playing him? He's the only one who can do it and if they have somebody else doing it, i'm not gonna go and see this movie". That's not how someone who isn't a total fanboy acts about something like this. Seriously, it's Batman, people know that these characters are bigger than just one actor and they don't associate them as closely with a guy who potrayed the role for a certain interpretation as some fans may think.

Yes, these movies where big time BO hits, but there have been numerous adaptions that the general public still strongly identifies with these character. If you mention Batman, to this day one thing that most people think of immediately it the "Zack! Peng! Bap" from the old Adam West tv-show. And yet, nobody wonders why that isn't part of the movie when they go and see the Dark Knight. Because it's obvious that it's something completely different.

But even that thinking is a big to far fetched. Like Lestat74 said, if someone who isn't a fan of these characters goes and sees a movie about them, all they really want is to be entertained for 2 hours, not think about all the stuff that has been done with the characters before. All the shared universe stuff is really just something fanboys get excited about.

 

[Willi Berg]

I posted this in the Superman forum and just wanted to bring it up here:

I was re-reading the old Variety article about the Siegel and Shuster lawsuit. The last line said this, when talking about the use of the Superman character:

If they want to get a new "Superman" or even "Justice League" pic featuring the superhero, Warner Bros. and DC will be forced to go into production by 2011.

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118007269?refCatId=13

Does this have anything to do with why Robinov seems to be rushing the release of a JL movie?

Also:

The heirs of Siegel have already been awarded half the copyright for Superman. And in 2013 the heirs of co-creator Joe Shuster get the remaining half. After that, neither DC Comics nor Warner Bros will be able to use Superman without a financial agreement with the heirs.

Warner Bros has to be careful, very careful, not to piss off the Superman fans who are steadfastly in the Shuster and Siegal corners. The studio recently put Warner Bros veteran executive Diane Nelson as the head of DC Entertainment Inc, that new company founded to fully realize and integrate the power and value of the DC Comics brand and characters across all media and platforms into Warner Bros Entertainment's content and distribution businesses. Nelson especially was charged with suping up Superman again in a way fans like because it's way too valuable a property to leave dormant like this.

At issue is the future generation of Superman movies, television programs, and comics would be placed at risk. The lawsuit asks the Court to confirm DC’s ownership of Superman rights, put an end to Toberoff's activity allegedly interfering with the rights, and clear the way for all new Superman productions in the future. DC claims it filed this lawsuit only after exhaustive attempts to resolve these matters failed.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/05/shocker-warner-bros-now-suing-superman-rights-lawyer/

I think DCE are at the very least trying to release as much Superman and DC heroes as they can at this point, without worrying about the shared universe build up, having more than one actor playing the same character etc. because they want to just get Superman and co. out there, to show they are doing something with the character and that he is a viable property at WB. And before more complications arise with the lawsuit and the copyright hand over in 2013.

 

[Grim Goblin]

I hate to say it, at the risk of sounding snobbish, but the GA doesn't pay attention to this kind of stuff the way we fanboys do. We are programmed to see how this fits with that and we love doing it, but (for the most) part...they don't really care. I can't tell you how many times I've talked to co workers and relatives who didn't know that Batman Begins and The Dark Knigt were not meant to be in any way related to the older movies. If I had a nickel for every time someone asked me how Heath Ledger's Joker turned into Jack Nicholson later on....good grief. And these are mostly smart, yet ordinary people. They just wanna sit back and enjoy the show for two hours. It is US who obsess about how this fits with that and what not. They mostly don't care.

You didn't sound snobbish at all and thanks for clearing that up. I guess my personal experience discussing these things with members of the GA must have been different from the rest of you guys, 'cause more often than not, the people I know who fit in that category do think about how the movies are supposed to fit together and ask me to explain the kind of stuff I put in bold in your quote above. Anyways, thanks for the explanation!

 

[BATZARRO WWD]

Armie Hammer was cast as the Lone Ranger in the new Disney film. I bring this up because I feel fairly certain that movie's release will mark the point where fan-casting Armie Hammer will become officially cool. You heard it here first!

 

[MadVillainy]

Hammer has been fancast as Superman a number of times already