Justice League Status Updates Thread

[Mr. Earle]

I don't care who has used it. It's terrible and lazy, 100% of the time.

For the record, that subplot was addressed (twice, I think) in the first half of the film. So technically, it does not fit the criteria for Deus Ex Machina.

I dont know the exact technical term for it, but it was a plot resolving gadget. Its like the arc reactor in Ironman 1. "We show it to you early on, because sometime later it will be important".

In any case i got tangled up in technicalities. All i wanted to say is that you gotta work the plot in a way that everyone has a chance to shine. Batman lacks any powers so he usually relies on his brain and exploits any weaknesses the villains might have like fire in the pages above.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I dont know the exact technical term for it, but it was a plot resolving gadget. Its like the arc reactor in Ironman 1. "We show it to you early on, because sometime later it will be important".

In any case i got tangled up in technicalities. All i wanted to say is that you gotta work the plot in a way that everyone has a chance to shine. Batman lacks any powers so he usually relies on his brain and exploits any weaknesses the villains might have like fire in the pages above.

You mean a Chekov's Gun?

 

[KRIM]

I dont know the exact technical term for it, but it was a plot resolving gadget. Its like the arc reactor in Ironman 1. "We show it to you early on, because sometime later it will be important".

Chekhov's gun? That's quite different in that it's set up relatively early on, and much of the climax hinges on its existence. The manner in which it is resolved in the last act may come off as convenient or predictable, but it is not Deus Ex Machina by definition.

In any case i got tangled up in technicalities. All i wanted to say is that you gotta work the plot in a way that everyone has a chance to shine. Batman lacks any powers so he usually relies on his brain and exploits any weaknesses the villains might have like fire in the pages above.

For the most part I would agree. It's when the storyteller stoops to the absurd to achieve it. Deus Ex Machina is absolutely the worst thing a writer can do because it not only challenges suspension of disbelief, but the internal logic that has been established. A double-whammy of literary no-no's.

For the record I don't think the panels you posted exemplified that. If only because the Martian weakness had already been known to the canon.

 

[Paroxysm]

Crossing over all the solo film franchises isnt a matter of copying Marvel Paroxysm

So what's it a matter of then? Where is it written that they have to do a cross over film? Get back to me when you find it.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Yeah i meant Chekov's gun. You guys know your literature.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I have to say that I am not interested in a shared universe if it will only be shared for crossovers and cameos in each other's movies. I think the common universe concept could be cool if our hero's respective cities were interconnected like real cities are. For example, if there were terrorist attack in Metropolis in a Superman movie, it could be referenced in a Batman film that takes place after it, and maybe it could even affect Gotham's economy. Anyone else like my idea?

 

[biolumen]

Here's a Diane Nelson quote from 6 months ago...

People make an assumption that we're going to mirror Marvel's strategy, for example with Avengers. We do have a very different attitude about how you build a content slate. And it isn't necessarily about connecting those properties together to build into a single thing. We think we've got great stories and characters that will lend themselves to great standalone experiences, and that's the way we're focusing on it.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/112/1122604p2.html

And here was Geoff Johns on the same subject...

...because these characters are so big, it's important that they are introduced and treated with a certain level of respect and reverence. Rather than "smashing" characters together, Johns said each franchise would be introduced equally and individually.

http://movies.ign.com/articles/112/1126895p1.html

I find these comments curious in light of the recent comment by Robinov that a JLA film is in development.

 

[protocida]

It'll be animation. I'm calling it.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

It can't be.

Robinov said JLA will be a launch point for Flash and WW solo films, JL will set em up.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Wait, wait, wait. Who is Robinov, what did he say, and when did he say it? Is there gonna be a JL movie after all?

 

[Hurm...]

If it is its own standalone thing, than I am OK with it.

 

[protocida]

Jeff Robinov is Warner Bros' President.

And I doubt it. They'll have a different Superman, a different Batman and a different Green Lantern, but have a shared Universe with only Flash and Wonder-Woman (And whoever else appears)? It makes no sense.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Thanks Protocida. Is this it?

http://www.buzzfocus.com/2011/03/30/justice-league-film-is-imminent-2013/

Well it doesnt make sense. I mean they ll have to use the same heroes or they ll be a huge confusion. We already have GL, Superman and if it gets picked up a WW tv series.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think its a matter of seeing seeing actors who people become attached to interact with other heroes played by other actors theyve become attached to. I also think there is a bit of "Avengers are doing it, why cant DC?" But I dont think its the main problem

I just dont see the benefit of starting with JL and spinning off movies or ever making it its own separate universe

 

[biolumen]

It'll be animation. I'm calling it.

Don't animated films take even longer to develop than live action ones? A 2013 release is already a stretch for a live action film. An animated one would be even less likely I would imagine.

 

[Paroxysm]

I think its a matter of seeing seeing actors who people become attached to interact with other heroes played by other actors theyve become attached to. I also think there is a bit of "Avengers are doing it, why cant DC?" But I dont think its the main problem

I get what you're saying but for me personally I'd say I'm attached to the characters rather than the actor playing them. I read Super hero comics, not actor comics ya know? So for me it's all about the character themselves and if the studio decides they want to make it a stand alone then I'm cool with that.

 

[Karelia]

Ryan Reynolds on Justice League film:

"I don't know much about it other than it is in the makeup and the plans and the development slate of Warner Brothers," he said. "But, I don't have anything to do with it."

"The fan in me thinks it's fantastic," adding, "Of course you wanna see all those iconic characters standing together in one room." But the actor reiterated, "As far as being involved, I have nothing to do with it as of yet."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1661188/wondercon-ryan-reynolds-justice-league.jhtml

 

[Mr. Earle]

Ryan Reynolds on Justice League film:
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1661188/wondercon-ryan-reynolds-justice-league.jhtml

I like how Reynolds is an actual fan. I like his enthusiasm for GL, Deadpool and every other character he's ever been in the running for.

I also think there is a bit of "Avengers are doing it, why cant DC?"

That's how DC thinks and since they want to use comics to make more movies now that Harry Potter is over, it sounds like a good deal for them. Us fans have been asking for a JL movie since forever.

I just dont see the benefit of starting with JL

The benefit is having a JL movie. We get to watch it and DC/WB get rich, so its bi-winning if you like.

and spinning off movies or ever making it its own separate universe

Some heroes are much more difficult to sell to the general audience so the JL movie could be the platform for that. Aquaman for example is such an underated character with limitless potential. Its the story of a king protecting his family and kingdom from internal and external threats. But the kingdom is a gorgeous underwater city and the whole ocean. Its awesome! Take a look:

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[Timstuff]

I think it's safe to say that at this point no-one at Warner Bros. actually knows what they are doing with the DC universe other than Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern getting new movies.

 

[jmc]

Yeah, I think Robinov maybe had a bit of a brain explosion and said some things he didn't actually mean.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think it's safe to say that at this point no-one at Warner Bros. actually knows what they are doing with the DC universe other than Batman, Superman, and Green Lantern getting new movies.

Pretty much.

 

[Fused]

I hope they go with Alex Ross age heroes.

As much hate as I see Ross get, sometimes deserving, I'd love to see his JLA paintings come to life in live action.

 

[Shazam]

As much hate as I see Ross get, sometimes deserving, I'd love to see his JLA paintings come to life in live action.

Why hate on Ross....the guy is a pro!

 

[Frontier]

So I've been going over the various possibilities, realities, facts, theories, what not in my head since we heard the other week that this film will be it's "own" thing...

While initially, I was shaking my head with dismay at the idea of trying to have two Superman's at once, the realization that with Nolan's trilogy complete before this film sees release has made it a lot easier to swallow.

Lets look at the state of things:

TDKR will have come out the summer before, capping and ending Nolan's trilogy. The Batman films beyond such would have to be some variation of reboot, hopefully with Nolan involved in a producer capacity as he is with the new Superman film.

The new Superman film will have been out 6 months, and either have soared or crashed. I hope it soars. If it does, it will open the door for a trilogy there, hopefully keeping Nolan and Goyer involved overseeing Snyder.

The Justice League film opens up a lot of opportunities. Could WB be thinking of Tom Welling's Superman/Clark Kent in this film? Could the hopes for Jon Hamm be rekindled? Will we see the modern, more diverse Justice Leage (Hawkgirl, Jon Stewart GL?) or something more classic (bunch of white guys and one chick, lol)?

Then lets think about this: we're going to have a Batman film, followed 6 months later by a Superman film, followed 6 months later by a Justice League film.

Throwing caution to the wind, it's a bit of a wet dream to be blunt! We've endured a very long time with very few DC properties being made into "real people" films. We endured the good beginning of the 1989 Batman film being squandered and ruined in the 1990s. We've had to sit by and watch as Marvel rolls out film after film of their properties, while DC seemingly sits on their damn hands for more than a decade.

I'm starting to really get excited here.

Would I much prefer to see Bale, Cavill, Reynolds all in a Justice League film? Yes, ideally.

But putting that aside, I can't help but be excited by the idea of so much DC goodness. Not to mention two Superman's at once, a new Batman so soon -- and yet one that may or may not end up going solo. Another GL so soon. Flash brought to life. Perhaps 2 Wonder Woman's, (tv and film) at once...

Could it all blow up in our faces? Sure!

But it'll be a hell of a bang! LOL

 

[Dotten]

If there is to be a Justice League-film, I hope they either use the Routh-Superman or the Welling-Superman. Preferably the first.

Would be nice. Better then having another Superman, there's just so many Superman-versions one can do within ten years. Routh, Welling, Cavill...