Justice League Status Updates Thread

[Rockstar]

Oh, okay. I thought you were talking about taking away his powers and/or limiting his abilities to make the film more "realistic."

I would just have a scientific explanation behind GL's powers and his hardlight constructs. The ring would be alien technology.

As long as there's a logic behind it, it's fine.


It's actually possible hard light constructs and projections will be invented in the not-so distant future.

 

[roach]

I'm forced to disagree there. I think it turned much of the general audience away from the film.

Seeing Ryan's head in a completely animated world (on Oa) was just too obviously fake.

It was as bad as the Lucas Star Wars prequels. Perhaps worse. ILM wouldn't help matters.

The concept, in itself, of CGI-ing everything was flawed.

It blows my mind how we could have gone from TDK to this:

the suit is a construct of the suit...being CGI would be the logical way to do it...its just the CGI sucked

 

[Rockstar]

The CGI that ILM used with the SW prequels wasn't any better.

You don't necessarily need CGI to convince the audience that the suit is a construct of the ring.

 

[Paroxysm]

So what's the general consensus?

Go with unknowns?

or shoot for the stars?

 

[protocida]

There's no consensus.

I particularly believe in going for actors that fit the characters. Be them famous or unknown. I wouldn't mind a cast of not very famous main characters with a supporting cast of established stars.

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

I don't see how WW is harder to do than Thor.....both come from a society based on mythology...both come into our world to be heroes

I don't think the character is lame...i think people can't stop thinking about the Linda Carter series which was pretty lame

yeah.

i think out of all of the choices whether carano, lawrence, or alexander, alexander is probably the best choice. might not be the safest consider Lawrence is becoming a huge star, but i think most would be satisfied, GA and true fan alike. that's what they need to nail done first and foremost. if WB had the balls to put as much on this project as they have with batman and MOS, i think it goes without saying if done right, this would do very well.

 

[Rockstar]

yeah.

i think out of all of the choices whether carano, lawrence, or alexander, alexander is probably the best choice. might not be the safest consider Lawrence is becoming a huge star, but i think most would be satisfied, GA and true fan alike. that's what they need to nail done first and foremost. if WB had the balls to put as much on this project as they have with batman and MOS, i think it goes without saying if done right, this would do very well.

Even though the chances of a Wonder Woman film are remote, the chances of Jaimie Alexander as WW are ten times less:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/05/04/thor-jaimie-alexander-wonder-woman/

 

[The Guard]

The setting of DC is *not* supposed to be brighter or optimistic than MArvel. I just don't think thats true at all and I dont think there is even evidence of that

2) Metahuman paranoia is *not* just a "Bad 90s Marvel" idea it's been seen even today in Marvel's media and in DC media

Agreed. It hasn't been any brighter than the Marvel universe since oh, the late 70's, early 80's.

If they go back to this Justice League movies, some rewrites will be needed. The whole Talia-vengeance subplot will be used in the new Batman movie, so it has to go and be replaced with something worth story-wise.

They won’t use the JUSTICE LEAGUE: MORTAL script, I don't think. It wasn't quite what they wanted, even with rewrites. They weren’t going to use it in its known form anyway. Talia, who was a minute part of the story to begin with, and really just the means to Max Lord acquiring Brother Eye, had already been written out.

Darkness and grittiness can work in a JLA story. It just can’t be there all the time. Filmmakers need to find a balance between dark, serious threats, and fun, hopeful Justice League heroics.

I'm forced to disagree there. I think it turned much of the general audience away from the film.

You think that it was the suit that turned audiences away from the film?

Seeing Ryan's head in a completely animated world (on Oa) was just too obviously fake. It was as bad as the Lucas Star Wars prequels. Perhaps worse. ILM wouldn't help matters. The concept, in itself, of CGI-ing everything was flawed.

Eh. I've never quite gotten on the "GREEN LANTERN's CGI was bad" bandwagon. It looked pretty good, and about as realistic as a glowing green man in a skintight suit with lines of light running through it was going to.

It blows my mind how we could have gone from TDK to this:

So you post the goofiest picture from the movie…what’s that supposed to prove? That the goofiest moment in the movie looked goofy?

 

[MadVillainy]

I thought the CG in GL was bad. Not that it didnt look realistic. It just looked bad and poorly animated

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

Even though the chances of a Wonder Woman film are remote, the chances of Jaimie Alexander as WW are ten times less:

http://splashpage.mtv.com/2011/05/04/thor-jaimie-alexander-wonder-woman/

Look, if I got approached to play Wonder Woman, which has happened once or twice, I would have to say, ‘Look, let's take this serious. Let's make her a positive role model. Let's make this a non-campy version of her.’ Because I haven't seen that done yet.”

well she's right. I'd have a hard time believing she'd turn it down if the script was good, and they chose a good director. so far all we've seen was that **** sandwich NBC didn't pick up.

 

[roach]

thats the way to do it...you treat WW with the same dignity and seriousness they treat Batman or Superman

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

exactly. its a pity that they don't.

 

[Artistsean]

Dark gritty Justice League... Doesn't work.

I don't think anyone is saying a dark gritty JLA. But maybe an updated version might work. Realistically some people may be apprehensive about them, and the Government (maybe trust them but) would take precautions to make sure they could handle the JLA should they ever become a threat. The movie they had planned to do a while back had something like this in the movie right? The OMACs were made by the Government or something?
If there isn't some level (big or small) of not trusting the JLA what should be there? I am actually asking. What would the movie be about? Because in most of these ideas with the lack of trust the idea is the public coming to see the team as heroes and loving them while the team becomes a real team. Without the lack of trust what would be there? And I am not saying there is no alternative, I just can't think of one at the moment. (Again, really asking what you guys who don't want the lack of trust would like to see in its place.)

 

[protocida]

I'm not saying it shouldn't be serious, but dark and gritty is just wrong for the team.

Again, X-Men: First Class. Fairly serious and dealing with important things, but with moments of humor and lightheartedness as well. That's the near-perfect tone for this.

 

[Boy Scout]

I would just have a scientific explanation behind GL's powers and his hardlight constructs. The ring would be alien technology.

That's all the explanation you need, really.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be serious, but dark and gritty is just wrong for the team.

Again, X-Men: First Class. Fairly serious and dealing with important things, but with moments of humor and lightheartedness as well. That's the near-perfect tone for this.

This.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The problem with GL was that they decided to use CGI on everything. The results could have been vastly improved if they had a practical template to work off of first, not only would it look better (stops looking so unnatural), but it would help the actor get into character more, just see interviews about Christian Bale and his batsuits, when Henry first tried on the Superman suit, etc.


Also, Man of Steel is almost certainly not going to be "dark" or "gritty". These are now buzz words used that now have absolutely no meaning. Neither Snyder, Nolan nor Goyer have said "dark" or "gritty" they have, however said it will be a Superman in the modern world that is true to the essence of the character. Which is certainly not darkness or grittiness, but more an inherent plausibility, verisimilitude or even though it's Superman a "grounded" (geddit?) nature.

 

[Artistsean]

You can have a Superman in the real world that can go through both light and dark times without making things real dark and gritty. The real world can seem so dark but also so bright, Superman can be an optimist in the face of darkness. I don't know, just rambling I guess.

 

[spider-neil]

imho DC going down the marvel road of individual movies and then the JL movie is a mistake. make the justice league movie and THEN make the spin off movies

superman - movie coming out next year
batman - movie coming out this year
wonder woman - who the heck doesn't know who wonder woman is?
green lantern - already has a movie
flash - fairly well known
aquaman - fairly well known

so just make the movie already and explain who the new characters are in the spin offs.
marvel HAD to make the individuals first because iron man, thor and to a lesser extent captain america aren't iconic or known to the general audience.
DC doesn't have that problem. batman, superman and wonder woman are some of the most recognised superheroes on the planet.

also the x-men didn't have individual movies of cyclops, storm and wolverine before opening with x-men1

 

[Rockstar]

How could they make a JL film right off the bat that spins off into solo films?

The Superman AND Batman solo films exist seperately in their own worlds.


It creates a huge mess.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The current Batman series is near enough ended, so they don't really matter anyway. The next probably won't be until 2015 at the earliest and that could probably go either way at this point.

And as for Superman, we know Man of Steel isn't interconnected to anything else, which would namely be Green Lantern and The Dark Knight trilogy. However, Snyder was hired because the studio really wanted a director, I'd Imagine the final say lies with the studio at this point, not him.

If WB are insistent on creating a shared franchise. Discuss it with the heads of the respective individual franchises and ask what they intend to do in each series. MS really suffered with this, which is why IMHO it feels like IM and TIH are a bit more disconnected from the rest as they are tonally different.

 

[HighFivingMF]

How could they make a JL film right off the bat that spins off into solo films?

The Superman AND Batman solo films exist seperately in their own worlds.


It creates a huge mess.

Make writers write them into the same universe.

 

[protocida]

Impossible for Batman.

 

[The Guard]

If someone decides that Henry Cavill should be Superman in a Justice League film...

It's not a mess.

It just means that WB has changed their mind, and decided that he makes sense as Superman in a Justice League film. Same deal with Bale's Batman, if someday it's decided that he should take part in a Justice League film. It just means that Nolan will have changed his mind in some capacity. Granted, the story for THE DARK KNIGHT RISES may make that difficult to make work continuitywise, but I'm sure there is a way to do it if that's what they wanted.

 

[spider-neil]

the 'building up to an ensemble justice league ship' has sailed with the USS avengers. DC nneds to change their plans and go down a different road.
batman will always make them money and the superman movie is in production but if I were them (DC) the very next movie I would put in theatres would be the justice movie. they spent 300m making green lantern and that moeny would have been better served making the justice league movie, at least that way they would have made 'some' of their money back.

 

[HighFivingMF]

Impossible for Batman.

This one? Yeah. But that series is over in about 3 months. So, again, write 'em in the same universe if you want 'em in the same universe. I'm positive that there isn't a time traveling character in Man of Steel who shows up and says there will never be another superhero ever ever, so Snyder's (if he sticks around) mind can always be changed.