The Dark Knight Know how i got these scars?...

[Tojo]

I personally think it did have something to do with his father, because when ledger tells that story, or when he mentioned his father, it seemed to come from somewhere very real, whereas the wife story, although very frightening, seemed to be in order to tell a joke at then end,'Now i'm always smiling!'

if it was the mob, which is equally as plausible, then it could work too. However, i think it is much more personal for his father to have done it. Also, with that amount of abuse it would most likely turn you into something quite disturbed. I think Joker was born with certain traits, like his evident genius and intelligence about the world. If he was reversed, he'd probably be something like Batman and do great things. But i think his fearlesness was something he got during his life. He is evidently crazy by normal standards, but the thing about Ledgers joker is that he absolutley does not believe he is crazy, or sick. He thinks he's a vision of the future human race!

 

[The Joker]

I personally think it did have something to do with his father, because when ledger tells that story, or when he mentioned his father, it seemed to come from somewhere very real, whereas the wife story, although very frightening, seemed to be in order to tell a joke at then end,'Now i'm always smiling!'

I don't know. He seemed genuinely upset when he said "And you know what? She can't stand the sight of me!!!! She leaves".

He told both stories equally convincingly, IMO.

 

[Eggyman]

I don't know. He seemed genuinely upset when he said "And you know what? She can't stand the sight of me!!!! She leaves".

He told both stories equally convincingly, IMO.

In mine too.

Maybe he's that far gone that even he doesn't know what happened to him.

Or maybe he just likes messing with people's heads before he puts a smile on their faces.

 

[The Joker]

In mine too.

Maybe he's that far gone that even he doesn't know what happened to him.

Hello Killing Joke references

See my sig

Or maybe he just likes messing with people's heads before he puts a smile on their faces.

I don't know, he wasn't about to carve Batman's face at the end when he asked him does he know how he got his scars.

I wonder did poor Brian, the fake Batman, get a story before he was carved

"LOOK AT ME!!!!"

 

[wootbaby]

joker lies, joker lies, joker lies.

the stories the joker tells has everything to do with the person he's telling them to and nothing to do with the joker himself.

he tells rachel about a faithless woman because she is herself it torn between 2 men and facing the choice of abandoning/harming one of them

the story about his father, is a statement about Gambol's relationship with his own father. gambol needing to be so violent, explosive and alpha dog as overcompensation for being dominated/bullied by his own father.

the story he would have told batman would certainly have been about betrayal... maybe someone joker helped who stabbed him in the back (actually his face)... "these people will turn on you."

what does the joker have to gain from actually telling the real story? sympathy? we already see that to the joker KNOWLEDGE is power the entire movie, joker's mind is working trying to get information to manipulate his victims. why would he volunteer information about himself and make himself weaker? especially when nolan makes it a point to emphasize no beginning, no motivation for the joker.

the point of his stories is the same as his speech to the police detective in the interrogation cell... to hurt, humiliate, dominate and manipulate. everything he says is to hurt his listener at some emotional soft spot.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

In mine too.

Maybe he's that far gone that even he doesn't know what happened to him.

Or maybe he just likes messing with people's heads before he puts a smile on their faces.

See now thats how I feel about it, the funny thing is we'll never know if either are true OR if he is messing with his victims, that makes the interpretations even more fun to me.

 

[sabahi2]

well i guess if he wouldn't have been jumped off by batman in their fist fight,.,scarecrow would have been responsible for his scars when he was in arkham,.,

 

[Malone]

"You want to know how I got these scars? Well.. This one time, in band camp..."

Is that a quote from a movie? What's that from?

 

[Crook]

American Pie...

 

[Captain Useless]

The thing I loved about the scar stories is that it's obvious that he's making them up, but he really believes them himself.

Watch carefully the first time he tells the story "My father waaas....a drinker"
It takes a while for him to make up a story, but *bam* "and a fiend" he starts believing that the story is actually true himself.
I like that.

 

[Tojo]

well i guess if he wouldn't have been jumped off by batman in their fist fight,.,scarecrow would have been responsible for his scars when he was in arkham,.,

Was Joker even in Arkham thought? I don't think he was to be honest.

 

[deathfromabove]

I thought the stories were pretty pointless. They didn't really add anything to the character. I don't mind The Joker monologuing, but I wish he hadn't been so direct about it.

His second story with the wife wouldn't make much sense. If he already had the scars, then the scarring incident with his wife wouldn't be so difficult for her. And he wouldn't say "I just want her to know I don't care about the scars....so, I do *this* to myself".

Plus "and you know what? she can't stand the sight of me!" does not work in that context either. It's pretty clear it was meant to take a nod on the comic book origin of multiple choice.

agreed. all lies. probably all made up on the spot by the joker (not heath mind you, although im sure he did his own thing with the words on paper.)

joker lies, joker lies, joker lies.

the stories the joker tells has everything to do with the person he's telling them to and nothing to do with the joker himself.

he tells rachel about a faithless woman because she is herself it torn between 2 men and facing the choice of abandoning/harming one of them

the story about his father, is a statement about Gambol's relationship with his own father. gambol needing to be so violent, explosive and alpha dog as overcompensation for being dominated/bullied by his own father.

the story he would have told batman would certainly have been about betrayal... maybe someone joker helped who stabbed him in the back (actually his face)... "these people will turn on you."

what does the joker have to gain from actually telling the real story? sympathy? we already see that to the joker KNOWLEDGE is power the entire movie, joker's mind is working trying to get information to manipulate his victims. why would he volunteer information about himself and make himself weaker? especially when nolan makes it a point to emphasize no beginning, no motivation for the joker.

the point of his stories is the same as his speech to the police detective in the interrogation cell... to hurt, humiliate, dominate and manipulate. everything he says is to hurt his listener at some emotional soft spot.

agreed.

 

[calibud]

IMO Joker's stories were just to amuse his victims. People are actually debating over which story is true, but I seriously doubt either one is. Anyone who knows that quote from The Killing Joke knows that he's deliberately ambiguous about his past because it really doesn't matter to him. He's well aware of his mystique and he exploits it to screw with everyone.
If pressed for an answer though, I'd have to say this version of the Joker cut his own smile. I think there might be a couple of truths hidden in both stories:

"Why so serious? Let's put a smile on that face!"
"Now I see the funny side! Now I'm always smiling!"

They tie into his anarchy. Why take the world so seriously when it doesn't deserve it and it's ultimately futile? Why not smile? He's gone to painful lengths to physically alter his appearance to match his philosophy. The Joker is a living metaphor.

 

[MrQuinn]

I like the mob idea.

I dont see any truth to his stories, he's just being weird, which I also like.

I remember before the very first Ledger Joker pic was even released, this guy at work told me about how the Joker in the new batman flick was going to have a scarred smile, and he said he had heard it was going to be because he got a batarang to the mouth. Obviously untrue, but who knows, maybe Jack was being mischievous one night and took a stray batarang to the face, haha.

 

[MrQuinn]

Found this article online, about partway down mentions "back-story" of joker.

http://www.suntimes.com/entertainment/zwecker/1052964,SHO-Sunday-zwecker13.article

"harry dent" haha

 

[Spider-X]

joker lies, joker lies, joker lies.

the stories the joker tells has everything to do with the person he's telling them to and nothing to do with the joker himself.

he tells rachel about a faithless woman because she is herself it torn between 2 men and facing the choice of abandoning/harming one of them

the story about his father, is a statement about Gambol's relationship with his own father. gambol needing to be so violent, explosive and alpha dog as overcompensation for being dominated/bullied by his own father.

the story he would have told batman would certainly have been about betrayal... maybe someone joker helped who stabbed him in the back (actually his face)... "these people will turn on you."

what does the joker have to gain from actually telling the real story? sympathy? we already see that to the joker KNOWLEDGE is power the entire movie, joker's mind is working trying to get information to manipulate his victims. why would he volunteer information about himself and make himself weaker? especially when nolan makes it a point to emphasize no beginning, no motivation for the joker.

the point of his stories is the same as his speech to the police detective in the interrogation cell... to hurt, humiliate, dominate and manipulate. everything he says is to hurt his listener at some emotional soft spot.

Well said!

 

[BingoJesus]

if it was the mob, surely someone would've noticed and said "hey, I know that guy! He's that snitch that we cut up a while back! The little weasel, get 'im!"

 

[Ace of Knaves]

yea well what if they cut loadz n loadz of people up? they not going to automatically recognise him.
i dont think we'll ever know for sure how he got the scars, at first i thought the father one was possible. maybe both stories are true to a extent but not the origin for his scars. like maybe when he was younger his dad butchered his mother in front of him? and then when he got older and tried to have a normal life his wife commited suicide after getting into loads of debt? then all these bad things that have happened to him all his life he finally snaps and decides to "Put a smile" on his face.

 

[sabahi2]

Was Joker even in Arkham thought? I don't think he was to be honest.

well his friend that harvey captured was in arkham,., so i thought since he didn't give any info about joker to harvey he must have been a close friend ,,, maybe knew him from arkham?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i dont know if anyone noticed this in Batman Begins but if you watch it again look out for this. The part where Batman has just dropped down the stairs to escape Arkham when hes walking through the corredoor you get a close up of 2 cell windows.The first one is some bloke but the second one he walks past looks like the Joker!! Hes got black rings around his eyes, sorta gaunt looking and longish scraggly hair. You dont see his mouth though.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I was lookin at that on the DVD aswell, His hair looks kinda greenish, but It probably won't be him, cause If he was already in jail...who the hell did they catch in the dark knight..lol

 

[sabahi2]

I was lookin at that on the DVD aswell, His hair looks kinda greenish, but It probably won't be him, cause If he was already in jail...who the hell did they catch in the dark knight..lol

what are you talking about? ras al'gul released them near the end of bb

 

[66 Face]

I thought the stories were pretty pointless. They didn't really add anything to the character. I don't mind The Joker monologuing, but I wish he hadn't been so direct about it.

(wizzes hand over head)

 

[darknight7]

"ZIIING!"

--dk7

(wizzes hand over head)

 

[darknight7]

I never ONCE thought the stories were real...either of them...lol

--dk7