The Dark Knight Rises Life after Nolan: What comes next... - Part 1 Unless it's actually Part 2...o - Part 2

[Brother Jack]

The stellar cast in Man of Steel is honestly the only thing keeping me interested in the project. As soon as I heard Snyder was making it with a script by Goyer I kind of checked out. I'm interested but not very hopeful at this point.

 

[Rodrigo90]

But what would be the difference between a re-imagining and a reboot?

I'm assuming that this re-imagining will be based on Nolan's world. Kind of like time being restarted, things changing slightly and the inclusion of unrealistic things. Whereas a reboot would be a dramatic and final overhaul.

 

[Gianakin_]

Exactly. It's actually easier to go to fantasy using the Nolanverse as a jumping point. Going from reality to fantasy is much easier than the reverse.

 

[Godzilla2014]

The next Batman doesn't necessarily need a big name director. Just one who has experience and gets Batman very well.

Well, Christopher Nolan wasn't a very big name director when he was hired for Batman Begins.

Every guy claims to "get" Batman. But there are only a few that really can pull it off. Comic wise, I'd say Paul Dini is the go-to for everything Bats. He knows the mythos inside and out.

Agreed.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Exactly. It's actually easier to go to fantasy using the Nolanverse as a jumping point. Going from reality to fantasy is much easier than the reverse.

Right. WB are happy with Nolan's work, and they do want to see something similar for next time. I'm sure Synder's Superman is drawing influence from Nolan, since he is producer. The next Bat-movies will have to conicide with MOS, so I expect nothing too dramatic will change from Nolan's trilogy.

Its simply to re-imagine what Nolan has already established, without them being connected in anyway.

For example, the Batmobile could still be an army vehicle, not called the Tumbler, but Bruce has modified it to resemble the comics. Thats to re-imagine an already existing concept from Nolan.

 

[Lord]

With the next batman movies they should take some ideas from the Bond film series and just continue the story, the good thing about batman's rogue gallery is that each villain kind of looks unique, even maxie zeus can be used as a lunatic causing some havoc, they just have to respect the source material and consider Batman and The Dark Knight (if indeed The Dark Knight Rises has an ending that closes the possibility of sequels) as Year One and continue from there

 

[Spider-Kurt!]

With the next batman movies they should take some ideas from the Bond film series and just continue the story, the good thing about batman's rogue gallery is that each villain kind of looks unique, even maxie zeus can be used as a lunatic causing some havoc, they just have to respect the source material and consider Batman and The Dark Knight (if indeed The Dark Knight Rises has an ending that closes the possibility of sequels) as Year One and continue from there

100% agreed!

 

[Rodrigo90]

With the next batman movies they should take some ideas from the Bond film series and just continue the story, the good thing about batman's rogue gallery is that each villain kind of looks unique, even maxie zeus can be used as a lunatic causing some havoc, they just have to respect the source material and consider Batman and The Dark Knight (if indeed The Dark Knight Rises has an ending that closes the possibility of sequels) as Year One and continue from there

That's technically a sequel and Nolan doesn't want that.

As I said, WB want to re-imagine everything about Nolan's films into a soft reboot. Changing things slightly, but still keeping them familiar to the past, without be connected.

That means to re-imagine Nolan's level of realism, changing it to a degree to allow the obscure villains. Toning it down, but sill making it plausible for us to accept in our world.

Re-imagine his look of Gotham, again keeping it similar, but still being different.

Re-imagine the Tumbler (Batmobile), making it closer to the comics.

Even re-imagine Batman and other characters. Trying to make them different, but still keeping them similar to Nolan's vision.

 

[Changeling]

That's technically a sequel and Nolan doesn't want that.

As I said, WB want to re-imagine everything about Nolan's films into a soft reboot. Changing things slightly, but still keeping them familiar to the past, without be connected.

That means to re-imagine Nolan's level of realism, changing it to a degree to allow the obscure villains. Toning it down, but sill making it plausible for us to accept in our world.

Re-imagine his look of Gotham, again keeping it similar, but still being different.

Re-imagine the Tumbler (Batmobile), making it closer to the comics.

Even re-imagine Batman and other characters. Trying to make them different, but still keeping them similar to Nolan's vision.

thats kinda what the bond series does though... like the guy you quoted was saying..

 

[Rodrigo90]

thats kinda what the bond series does though... like the guy you quoted was saying..

Die Another Day to Casino Royale, yes.

Diamonds Are Forever to Live And Let Die, no

Going over that...007 still has the same logo and Judi Dench. So if we get a Batmovie without the Nolan symbol and no returning cast from the past, then it won't be like James Bond at all

 

[KingMadness]

Jon Hamm would make a PERFECT Batman, preferably with Kevin Conroy as his voice coach and a Batsuit slightly shaded grey, a very dark grey.

 

[TheDragonator]

After Nolan, I'd prefer to use more fantastical villains, like Mr. Freeze and Riddler. Also, a Batsuit where I can actually see the goddamn Batsymbol would be nice.

 

[Rodrigo90]

After Nolan, I'd prefer to use more fantastical villains, like Mr. Freeze and Riddler. Also, a Batsuit where I can actually see the goddamn Batsymbol would be nice.

Yeah. To use 007 again, I wanna see more Jaws and less Mr. Greene

 

[The_Raganork]

Yeah. To use 007 again, I wanna see more Jaws and less Mr. Greene

.Jaws was fun but worthless.

Rather see more Blofeld than whatever the white guy/Asians name was in DAD.

The realism aspect works very well, I don't think we should abandon it because it's been done. Keep the formula, bend the rules.

 

[Lord]

AFter Nolan if The Dark Knight Rises indeed makes it impossible to continue batman's adventures then take Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, most of them happened, the next batman should consider scarecrow, the joker and Two-face as alreading existing in the movie verse but doesn't have to say all those things happened.

For example, the joker can already exist in the universe and has done the things he did in The Dark Knight but a new director can use a flashback with red hood a la killing joke and change the look of the character to make him really white insteadm of just painting his face.

Use a new villain, Mr. Freeze is exelent, i also like Poison Ivy even if she was badly used in Batman and Robin (still she was the villain in that movies that was less f***d up), still hoping for a harley and Ivy team up one day.

And if you want to have a villain that wasn't used yet there's still an entire rogue gallery full of exelent villains, even Maxie Zeus could be a lunatic that thinks he's a god and work, the ventriloquist can be scary if used right, a movie with the original clayface where he used a mask that can turn into anybody's face could be an interesting thriller with a touch of fantasy.

 

[TheDragonator]

For example, the joker can already exist in the universe and has done the things he did in The Dark Knight but a new director can use a flashback with red hood a la killing joke and change the look of the character to make him really white insteadm of just painting his face.

Um, no. That would be really stupid. It's one thing to recast Ledger, but another to recast Ledger and then say that Joker was permawhite during TDK, when he very, very clearly was not.

 

[Lord]

Um, no. That would be really stupid. It's one thing to recast Ledger, but another to recast Ledger and then say that Joker was permawhite during TDK, when he very, very clearly was not.

Ever heard of retconing?

 

[Rodrigo90]

IMO, Mr. Freeze is the best villain to go with for next time. His backstory and characterization are both very mature. He sets the tone for a new breed villains that we need to see.

Clayface would be good for more of a detective story we crave

 

[Lord]

IMO, Mr. Freeze is the best villain to go with for next time. His backstory and characterization are both very mature. He sets the tone for a new breed villains that we need to see.

Clayface would be good for more of a detective story we crave

Yup

 

[Rodrigo90]

Um, no. That would be really stupid. It's one thing to recast Ledger, but another to recast Ledger and then say that Joker was permawhite during TDK, when he very, very clearly was not.

It would be to re-imagine Nolan's 'make-up concept'.

Instead of a tub of paint, it'll be skinbleach cream, etc.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Yup

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[Travesty]

I want a live action Clayface soooooo bad.

 

[The_Raganork]

I want a live action Clayface soooooo bad.

I've got a killer Clayface/Killer Croc script in here.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Either Clayface or Mr. Freeze.

 

[Gianakin_]

Black Mask, Scarecrow, Clayface, Freeze, CW, 2Face, Ivy, Riddler and definitely the Joker for the next trilogy. Or some of them, at least.