The Dark Knight Rises Life after Nolan: What comes next... - Part 1 Unless it's actually Part 2...o - Part 2

[Lord]

Why should they even reboot Batman?
Why not just make another Batman movie and keep continuity, even if The Dark Knight Rises marks an end then why not just consider Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as year one and move on?

 

[Brain Damage]

Why should they even reboot Batman?
Why not just make another Batman movie and keep continuity, even if The Dark Knight Rises marks an end then why not just consider Batman Begins and The Dark Knight as year one and move on?

I agree that the same old origin stories shouldn't yet again be told, but I think we'd be missing a lot of interesting possibilities if we stick to Nolan's universe and continuity. Personally, I'd love to see some of the more "fantastical" villains such as Freeze be given their proper due.
Also, idk about you, but I would love few things more than to see a comic book accurate Ra's Al Ghul story on the big screen, based off of the original O'Neil/Adams run on the character.

 

[Lord]

Having Nolan's movies happen doesn't mean you have to stay with the realism, it just means the events of those 2 movies happened.
Look at Frank Miller's Batman: Year One, it's grounded in realism yet the comics that appear after are not, it's part of the millerverse but it's also part of the mainstream DC universe.
Why make things that complicated?
Batman's origin is done, Two-Face's origin is done, Batman defeated Ras All Ghoul once which doesn't mean he won't return as imortal, the Joker and Scarecrow are in jail.
These events happened and from here a new director can put his oun vision and do whatever he want, if he wants to make Two-Face alive then he can do it.
This is called a pseudo reboot where things continue but some things are retconed

 

[batbax]

I could possibly see a scenario where if a batman movie came out too soon after tdkr and tdkr is as well recorded as tdk, it would be very very hard to have it be as successful as it could be if they wait for awhile. IMO.

 

[terry78]

WB just doesn't want to **** with the dynamic in case the new director's vision doesn't make them a mint like this one did.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Didn't WB state they weren't considering going back to the 'fantasy' based Batman? It's a reason why Nolan will continue to be apart of the franchise in a certain form, I assume. They want the arcs to proceed a grounded reality.

 

[DaveMoral]

If that's the case then they are still gun-shy after the cluster&$*@ that was Schumacher. Which is yet another example of how clueless WB can be. They don't have faith in the property, but in the director. Which is kind of sad. Given that they had such TV success out of Bruce Timm and what he did with Batman and how that set the stage for Superman and the Justice League. If they were smart, they would use a successful run of Batman films gradually introducing the more fantastical concepts progressively and eventually have it dovetail with Superman/MOS and GL(which I truly hope they keep going with, because there's so much potential there that it would be a damn shame for them to give up because they fracked around with the first film and turned out a box office dud) and BOOM! Justice League.

B:TAS was very much so a fantastic mix of all things Batman. I really don't see why that cannot be brought to the screen.

 

[JAK®]

Those people have other issues, and I hope they are never justified and continually disappointed by filmmakers with taste doing the opposite of what they want.

You sound like a child.

 

[Brain Damage]

B:TAS was very much so a fantastic mix of all things Batman. I really don't see why that cannot be brought to the screen.

I don't agree with you about the Justice League thing, since at this point Marvel already beat them to the punch, and other than Batman DC kind of has its tail between its legs. But I 100% agree that something closer to the animated series is what I'd hope to see from a new franchise.
I want the Batman series to evolve. What I most definitely don't want is to see someone doing a bad impression of how Nolan would make the film.

 

[jonathancrane]

Having Nolan's movies happen doesn't mean you have to stay with the realism, it just means the events of those 2 movies happened.
Look at Frank Miller's Batman: Year One, it's grounded in realism yet the comics that appear after are not, it's part of the millerverse but it's also part of the mainstream DC universe.
Why make things that complicated?
Batman's origin is done, Two-Face's origin is done, Batman defeated Ras All Ghoul once which doesn't mean he won't return as imortal, the Joker and Scarecrow are in jail.
These events happened and from here a new director can put his oun vision and do whatever he want, if he wants to make Two-Face alive then he can do it.
This is called a pseudo reboot where things continue but some things are retconed

Well said.
This is the easiest approach.
Truth be told, I would they rather not retell the origin stories we've had - Dent, Batman, etc. - because it is going to become very repetitive. I'd rather they approach it like Crane in BB: we know he has a background in psychiatry and medicine, yet is twisted as heck. Catering to the fan demands for background stories is going to bog down the film: Hollywood needs to understand the difference between diegesis and mimesis.

 

[DaveMoral]

I don't agree with you about the Justice League thing, since at this point Marvel already beat them to the punch, and other than Batman DC kind of has its tail between its legs. But I 100% agree that something closer to the animated series is what I'd hope to see from a new franchise.
I want the Batman series to evolve. What I most definitely don't want is to see someone doing a bad impression of how Nolan would make the film.

Let's just hope they truly are pushing ahead with GL2, and that MOS is a smash hit. Because that's the direction I'd love to see them go. Just because the Avengers made it first doesn't mean WB can't do the JLA. JLA could potentially be a much better film with a more compelling reason for the League to come together. And without the government agency behind it either. I don't really like that Ultimates aspect of Marvel's movieverse. I prefer Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes where Stark brings the team together and it peeves Fury and SHIELD.

 

[D.P.]

I'm throwing Vince Gilligan's name out there as potential writer/director for the reboot.

Make it happen WB.

 

[Boom]

I'm throwing Vince Gilligan's name out there as potential writer/director for the reboot.

Make it happen WB.

I love this idea so much that I want to have sex with it.

Then Gilligan could call up his pal Bryan Cranston .

 

[D.P.]

I love this idea so much that I want to have sex with it.

Then Gilligan could call up his pal Bryan Cranston .

Cranston as a grizzled Gordon

 

[Boom]

Cranston as a grizzled Gordon

 

[Mister Meddle]

We all can agree that Bryan Cranston should be Gordon.

But who should play the ice cream man from outer space?

 

[Eddie Dean]

I'm throwing Vince Gilligan's name out there as potential writer/director for the reboot.

Make it happen WB.

We know he could handle Two-Face.

 

[venus_ice]

Cranston as a grizzled Gordon

Then we don't really need a Batman. Gordon's got this.

 

[Blue Sugar]

I prefer a more grounded and dark Batman myself. Not saying it has to be on the level of realism as Nolanverse. But doing overly fantasy stuff just to get away as much as possible from Nolanverse would be bad imo. Just like trying to copy or continue too much from Nolanverse would be a bad idea too.

I want something unique but still dark and mysterious and with alot of comic-book striking imagery.

No thanks to adaptations like trying to make BTAS in live-action or some comic like TDKReturns. Yes please to more uniqueness in tone and style, like Nolan has done. Not saying they can't be inspired by other stories, but that's another thing.

Director? Fincher, Cuarón or Alfredsson would all be perfect for Batman imo.

Villains? Roman Sionis/Black Mask and The Joker (no I never tire of him) as the main ones. I love that combo. Add some setting up and/or cameo villains and the mob to that and you are ready to go!

 

[WiseBrook]

I think the problem is two fold. General audiences dont like the more out there elements of most comics, and its harder to make it play well on screen. As soon as they go too far away from what Nolans doing no matter who directs, writes, or stars, audiences will stay away.

 

[HolyPurpleSocks]

I think the problem is two fold. General audiences dont like the more out there elements of most comics, and its harder to make it play well on screen. As soon as they go too far away from what Nolans doing no matter who directs, writes, or stars, audiences will stay away.

Yeah, cause the GA totally hates 'out there' film concepts...like Star Wars...Avatar...Harry Potter...Lord of the Rings...they just avoid that kind of stuff.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I think the problem is two fold. General audiences dont like the more out there elements of most comics, and its harder to make it play well on screen. As soon as they go too far away from what Nolans doing no matter who directs, writes, or stars, audiences will stay away.

And you know this how? Are you the official spokesperson for the GA?

 

[Boom]

People have no problem accepting "out there" fantasy elements. To suggest that is not only ridiculous. It's flat-out wrong.

The highest grossing movies of all time include Avatar, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Star Wars Saga, The Pirates of the Carribean Quadrilogy, The Harry Potter Saga, and Alice in Wonderland.

It's quite the opposite. I think it's safer to say that people enjoy fantasy. They enjoy being transported to a world different from theirs.

 

[Godzilla2014]

People have no problem accepting "out there" fantasy elements. To suggest that is not only ridiculous. It's flat-out wrong.

The highest grossing movies of all time include Avatar, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The Star Wars Saga, The Pirates of the Carribean Quadrilogy, The Harry Potter Saga, and Alice in Wonderland.

It's quite the opposite. I think it's safer to say that people enjoy fantasy. They enjoy being transported to a world different from theirs.

I think it depends. None of the series you listed make any pretense of taking place in the real, modern world like superhero movies do.

 

[General Vulcun]

Having Nolan's movies happen doesn't mean you have to stay with the realism, it just means the events of those 2 movies happened.
Look at Frank Miller's Batman: Year One, it's grounded in realism yet the comics that appear after are not, it's part of the millerverse but it's also part of the mainstream DC universe.
Why make things that complicated?
Batman's origin is done, Two-Face's origin is done, Batman defeated Ras All Ghoul once which doesn't mean he won't return as imortal, the Joker and Scarecrow are in jail.
These events happened and from here a new director can put his oun vision and do whatever he want, if he wants to make Two-Face alive then he can do it.
This is called a pseudo reboot where things continue but some things are retconed

This honestly doesn't make much sense to me. How can certain events from the new films be retconned, yet still continue off the old series with other story elements still in place? As far as I'm concerned, if you change the visual style of the films & bring in new story elements then you are a full on reboot.

There is no "Batman already fought Ra's and the Joker dismantled the mob & brought down Gotham, but Two-Face is suddenly alive", or something like that. If the new series is trying to maintain some narrative connection to the previous series then there should be no dicking around with it, because not only does it create confusion amongst the GA, but it basically dilutes what Nolan was attempting to do with those sets of films.

I personally think that it's easier to get away with visual changes to a franchise rather than continuity changes, which is the only way I see a continuation of Nolan's films going (at the max), but not only do I think Nolan would rather see his story stay untouched after Rises, but I think any director looking to do their own thing with the franchise would like to have a fresh palette, both visually and narratively speaking.