Lionsgate "Power Rangers" - - - - - - - - - - - Part 20

[smallville fan]

If you've going to the people who've actually worked on Power Rangers over the years, instead of getting a Executive VP to produce, get an actual producer of one of the best seasons of Power Rangers, that is, get Jonathan Tzachor. He is the most qualified person, since he's already done with some success precisely what you intend: update PR for a teen and adult audience. And because he's already passionate and slaving away on a non unionized children's live action cartoon, he's affordable.

Jonathan Tzachor was hated by the fans on the heels of lackluster seasons of the Samurai(the Neo-Saban comeback season) and Super Megaforce(the much hyped 20th anniversary season) and was the principle reason why the latter went so horribly and poorly received, especially for Legendary Battle and was thus fired. Him leaving and new showrunners taking over for Dino Charge was reason that particular season had a lot of fanfare and hype from the fans.

 

[momotaros]

Going backwards,

• the movie had no legs because it got a weak start.
  The movie got a weak start because of the options available (Logan still kicking, Beauty and the Beast just out) and a poor critical reception.
• The movie got a poor critical reception because there was a lot of attention and expectation on it as a modern superhero reboot of a once world-dominating franchise, and because the movie wasn't cohesive with a satisfying ending, despite it's good parts.
• The movie wasn't cohesive with a satisfying ending because it did not spent time developing the powers and abilities that the movie was leading to and concluded with.
  The movie didn't spend time (or much money) on the Power part of Power Rangers because the filmmakers weren't interested in that.
• The filmmakers weren't interested in that because the producers took their modest Lionsgate budget of 100M and instead of finding the right talent, they found the most experienced "best" talent they could find in that range, which got them the writing talent behind films like Geostorm and Gods of Egypt and the director of Project Almanac (think if Chronicle was critically panned and Fox still hired him to do Fantastic Four), and some no name actors. They would have done much better the other way around with talented no name (cheap) writing and directing talent and the cheapest experienced actors for the parts (think CW-types).
• The producers misused their budget in this way because the movie producers Haim Saban brought in were virtually all YA adaptation vets, with only one Power Rangers producer, the executive producer of the TV show, whose job and expertise and perspective is not directly connected with what makes Power Rangers so appealing, but with what makes them function from a corporate angle. This would explain why there are a bunch of children's toys for a movie promoted to teens and adults.
• Haim Saban brought on such people because he is a music producer by trade, and his understanding of talent comes from the slash and burn style of an endless parade of talent that he can use as he sees fit. Since he doesn't cultivate talent, but historically abuses contracts and content makers, he doesn't have any to draw on, even though he's been in the industry for... how old is power rangers?

I think the tone of the film is just a scapegoat. The movie was simply ill-conceived in general.

I completely agree with everything you just said. It was like LG followed Saban cheap model from his TV show and put it in movie mode. I have also been clear from the start that Dean was a horrible choice for director. The guy has made nothing but failing movies at the box office. Yet Saban/LG went with him. Probably because he was cheap and they could save a buck.

I hope those behind Masters of the Universe at Sony. Stay away from this model completely.


P.S. I also found it odd that they went with some actors that had no film credits to their name like Darce and casted Becky G without even really auditioning her. They sent her a script and gave her the part after like 1 audition. It came off like how they cast the tv show.

 

[DrCosmic]

Jonathan Tzachor was hated by the fans on the heels of lackluster seasons of the Samurai(the Neo-Saban comeback season) and Super Megaforce(the much hyped 20th anniversary season) and was the principle reason why the latter went so horribly and poorly received, especially for Legendary Battle and was thus fired. Him leaving and new showrunners taking over for Dino Charge was reason that particular season had a lot of fanfare and hype from the fans.

Hmmm... interesting. It looks like he had a lot of co-producers on Time Force, so perhaps he wasn't so capable as his position might imply. In that case, how about Sally Campbell? Judd Lynn? There's got to be someone who is good at producing Power Rangers out there.

I completely agree with everything you just said. It was like LG followed Saban cheap model from his TV show and put it in movie mode. I have also been clear from the start that Dean was a horrible choice for director. The guy has made nothing but failing movies at the box office. Yet Saban/LG went with him. Probably because he was cheap and they could save a buck.

I hope those behind Masters of the Universe at Sony. Stay away from this model completely.


P.S. I also found it odd that they went with some actors that had no film credits to their name like Darce and casted Becky G without even really auditioning her. They sent her a script and gave her the part after like 1 audition. It came off like how they cast the tv show.

I think the money is a bit of a scapegoat too. You can do cheap well. There are talented cheap creators out there, you just have to do some searching. The actors they got did great jobs, worked their butts off and treated PR like it was just the greatest thing ever. It was finding directors and writers that were cheap and experienced that hurt them most. People who are cheap and very experienced are that way because they're not very good. The characters and their acting were absolutely the strongest parts of the movie, and the fact that they had almost no credits says a lot about how good cheap can be and where the movie failed in it's hiring processes, because it wasn't with the people who had no resumes.

 

[momotaros]

Yeah, I never understood the Dean hire. I mean Project Almanac was a brutually bad movie. I read some where they had several directors that were interested. Yet, they went with Dean. Either it was Saban/LG spin or Dean sold them a bag of goods. I also saw some of the earlier designs. Like for Alpha. In them he actually look like a cool alien type robot. What we got was a smaller version of TV version on the big screen. I also had a major problem with Haim Saban involvement. When I read Dean had to run his story ideas past Haim Saban. That was a big red flag for me. I don't remember Marvel runing it's ideas through Stan Lee. They usually pay the creator a large sum of money. Give them tiny input and make their Hollywood movies themselves.

P.S. PR sequel or not. I think it save to say no studio going to be picking up Dean phone again. When it comes to a franchise.

 

[harryoscop]

There were apparently several high-profile directors that pitched their vision of Power Rangers to Lionsgate (you can actually see their individual visions in different concept art pieces, one of them that Alpha/Zordon you mentioned Momo) but they picked Dean because idk why, I guess him being cheap & because Haim liked his pitch

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What are the China numbers so far that this is "over"? I knew this approach wasn't going to work, but I never expected it fail this spectacularly.

 

[momotaros]

What are the China numbers so far that this is "over"? I knew this approach wasn't going to work, but I never expected it fail this spectacularly.

It only made 1.2M in China on Friday. It's heading for a 3-5M OW there. They hated it for the same reason some in here did. The only 2 minutes of action in it.

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KING ARTHUR & POWER RANGERS are both dead on arrival in China debuting on Friday with est. ￥10.2M ($1.5M) & ￥8.3M ($1.2M) respectively.

There were apparently several high-profile directors that pitched their vision of Power Rangers to Lionsgate (you can actually see their individual visions in different concept art pieces, one of them that Alpha/Zordon you mentioned Momo) but they picked Dean because idk why, I guess him being cheap & because Haim liked his pitch

Yeah,thier was so many better options. Like I said LG should have paid Haim Saban to just sit in his chair and be quiet. Letting him have input in the movie was a mistake,because of his knack for treating talent like crap and being extremely cheap.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It only made 1.2M in China on Friday. It's heading for a 3-5M OW there.

Holy crap, this isn't getting to 150m WW. This is a legit bomb. Not exactly Transformers money...

 

[harryoscop]

The sad thing is, many fans are in denial about this doing bad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The sad thing is, many fans are in denial about this doing bad.

harry, remember when you liked to post what those on Twitter, IMDB and other Rangers boards were saying? Remember when I told you it didn't matter because they made up a very small part of the film-going public? And then you posted those insults about me that you tried to claim weren't you?

Yeah...

 

[momotaros]

The sad thing is, many fans are in denial about this doing bad.

Tell me about it. I seem to be the guy that they take all their angry out on. How dare I post Box Office results or call the movie a flop. No,it's making money for Lionsgate they say,because of some 25 percent deal were only Lionsgate covers. While OS distrubtors cover the rest. I'm sure the OS peeps will love cover 50 percent of nothing for a sequel. lmao

Holy crap, this isn't getting to 150m WW. This is a legit bomb. Not exactly Transformers money...

Yeah right now it's at 135WW and with maybe on the high side 5M from China. That's 140WW. Unless it does gang busters in Japan. It's a major flop. Fans are now saying but what about Blu-ray sales also. It flat out denial on PR forums.

 

[harryoscop]

harry, remember when you liked to post what those on Twitter, IMDB and other Rangers boards were saying? Remember when I told you it didn't matter because they made up a very small part of the film-going public? And then you posted those insults about me that you tried to claim weren't you?

Yeah...

They totally weren't, though. Not sure why you assumed/assume it was me. I don't have an IMDB account

 

[Sithborg]

So, just checked out the S. Korea number. Jebus.

Yeah, breaking $150 million is going to be tough.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Tell me about it. I seem to be the guy that take all their angry out on. How dare I post Box Office results or call the movie a flop. No,it's making money for Lionsgate they say,because of some 25 percent deal were only Lionsgate covers. While OS distrubtors cover the rest. I'm sure the OS peeps will love cover 50 percent of nothing for a sequel. lmao



Yeah right now it's at 135WW and with maybe on the high side 5M from China. That's 140WW. Unless it does gang busters in Japan. It's a major flop. Fans are now saying but what about Blu-ray sales also. It flat out denial on PR forums.

Lionsgate ain't making anthing. They have to pay Saban an were responsible for the marketing cost in the US, Canada and UK. And everyone else lost their entire investment on this one.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

They totally weren't, though. Not sure why you assumed/assume it was me. I don't have an IMDB account

That you posted them here and that they echoed your words were enough. Wrong words by the way.

 

[Reel-Man]

The only 2 minutes of action in it.

I get the point you are making but let's not exaggerate here, more like 10-15mins of action in the part you are referring to (3rd act). There's some also scattered throughout the film as well. The few car chases, training sequence, Rita scenes etc.

Tell me about it. I seem to be the guy that take all their angry out on. How dare I post Box Office results or call the movie a flop. No,it's making money for Lionsgate they say,because of some 25 percent deal were only Lionsgate covers. While OS distrubtors cover the rest. I'm sure the OS peeps will love cover 50 percent of nothing for a sequel. lmao

So I should be sending you my angry fan letters then?

 

[harryoscop]

Tell me about it. I seem to be the guy that take all their angry out on. How dare I post Box Office results or call the movie a flop. No,it's making money for Lionsgate they say,because of some 25 percent deal were only Lionsgate covers. While OS distrubtors cover the rest. I'm sure the OS peeps will love cover 50 percent of nothing for a sequel. lmao



Yeah right now it's at 135WW and with maybe on the high side 5M from China. That's 140WW. Unless it does gang busters in Japan. It's a major flop. Fans are now saying but what about Blu-ray sales also. It flat out denial on PR forums.

That's the argument I kept seeing on those fansites. That because Lionsgate doesn't pay for the full film budget themselves, that the movie made a profit for them. But that logic is ignoring the fact that it's bombing overseas and the foreign distributors are not going to want to pay for the distribution rights for the sequel & without those foreign distributors, Power Rangers 2 cannot be made unless Lionsgate pays out of pocket. That's why a sequel unfortunately will not happen.

 

[harryoscop]

That you posted them here and that they echoed your words were enough. Wrong words by the way.

Well, they weren't me. I can promise you that. I had nothing personal against you. A lot of PR fans who are fans of the movie read this thread.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Wonder Woman has a rumored budget of $100mill....it will have plenty of action and beautiful shots/cgi. Power Rangers doesn't need a bigger budget, just someone who knows how to put that budget to use. Transfomers 1 had a $150 budget, about $45 more then PR and that included mainly CGI robots. PR doesn't center around the zords like it would for Transformers.

I still dont know where PRs budget went to when majority of it didn't really include any special effects.

 

[momotaros]

That's the argument I kept seeing on those fansites. That because Lionsgate doesn't pay for the full film budget themselves, that the movie made a profit for them. But that logic is ignoring the fact that it's bombing overseas and the foreign distributors are not going to want to pay for the distribution rights for the sequel & without those foreign distributors, Power Rangers 2 cannot be made unless Lionsgate pays out of pocket. That's why a sequel unfortunately will not happen.

Yep, any time someone questions their logic. That's their first respond. Almost a defense meganisim on their part.

I get the point you are making but let's not exaggerate here, more like 10-15mins of action in the part you are referring to (3rd act). There's some also scattered throughout the film as well. The few car chases, training sequence, Rita scenes etc.



So I should be sending you my angry fan letters then?

lmao,might as well. I seem to be the PR fans punching bag these days. A least on PR forums that is. lol

Lionsgate ain't making anthing. They have to pay Saban an were responsible for the marketing cost in the US, Canada and UK. And everyone else lost their entire investment on this one.

Some tried telling them that. Their respond was we don't know how much the OS markets and others invested.

Wonder Woman has a rumored budget of $100mill....it will have plenty of action and beautiful shots/cgi. Power Rangers doesn't need a bigger budget, just someone who knows how to put that budget to use. Transfomers 1 had a $150 budget, about $45 more then PR and that included mainly CGI robots. PR doesn't center around the zords like it would for Transformers.

I still dont know where PRs budget went to when majority of it didn't really include any special effects.

The million dollar question. Tells you all you know about Dean as director,huh? Has a 100M budget. Yet hardly any of it is spent on special effects.


P.S. I just leave this here.. https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...-getting-a-power-rangers-sequel/#1a87ad5152e4

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wonder Woman has a rumored budget of $100mill....it will have plenty of action and beautiful shots/cgi. Power Rangers doesn't need a bigger budget, just someone who knows how to put that budget to use. Transfomers 1 had a $150 budget, about $45 more then PR and that included mainly CGI robots. PR doesn't center around the zords like it would for Transformers.

I still dont know where PRs budget went to when majority of it didn't really include any special effects.

WW budget is not 100m. Not even Deadline believes that one.

 

[harryoscop]

That too. I've seen plenty of Ranger fans on different forums argue that them not morphing till the end of the movie made sense because it's an origin story, when that's basically ignoring every superhero origin story in existence when a lot of action spread out through the film. Even the cast argued this point.

The lack of spectacle is hurting this movie

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Some tried telling them that. Their respond was we don't know how much the OS markets and others invested.

We do know. 25% of the budget and any marketing they did. There is not enough money to go around.

 

[TeeKay]

This was a legit **** up. Not FFINO territory but just plain bad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

This was a legit **** up. Not FFINO territory but just plain bad.

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