Marvel Now - Part 4

[TheDarkKnight08]

I was loving him during Remender's X-force and Aaron's run on the solo title. That was one hell of a one-two punch. I haven't read anything since really. My thing about people who complain about Spider-man/Batman/Wolverine/whoever over exposure is you can just choose to ignore it. I guess with Wolverine it is partly justified since there is an X-men title with his name in it and he went from extremely popular side character to the focus of the entire X-men franchise.

Well, that's something that's been remedied lately. I will agree it was hard to follow Wolverine with him being in almost every book for a while there, but now, Cyclops is back on top, at least to me. Uncanny X-Men and just about everything Bendis has been doing with X-Men has been better than anything that's come out since Whedon's stuff.

 

[Will Nolte]

Honestly, having be Headmaster of his own school is great development, but Jason Aaron just doesn't spend as much time with that as he should.

It's just bothersome to see people hate a character simply because he shows up too many times. Like, honestly, isn't it just easier to avoid him instead of wanting him to die? I know they're, in the words of Ben Affleck, "fictional characters", but it's just weird.

Not an easy task when he pops up in books all over the place all the time. He was in a few issues of Scarlet Spider recently. It is hard to avoid him when when he shows up in your favorite title.

That being said, I am sick of his over exposure, but I do not hate the character.

 

[runawayboulder]

Is there a reason, other than him being in an unrealistic amount of titles, that people hate Wolverine so much? Getting that feeling in almost every Wolverine-related news that pops up.

Because all of the writers at Marvel can't get on the same page as how to write the character. Claremont spent years developing the guy as a man struggling with his inner animal, had the code of a samurai and was a unique voice of reason on the time with his own unique set of morals. There were plenty of times that Logan would set fellow teammates straight or give them his own brand of advice to help them when they were struggling emotionally.

Somewhere along the line he just became a 1 dimensional, stab happy idiot that served only one purpose for being involved in the story....to go in the situation and wreak havoc. It's why Remender's and Aaron's voice for the character was such a breath of fresh air, they went back and wrote him the way he was...Aaron developed him even further in his run. They communicated on what they were doing with him and it worked wonderfully.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Because all of the writers at Marvel can't get on the same page as how to write the character. Claremont spent years developing the guy as a man struggling with his inner animal, had the code of a samurai and was a unique voice of reason on the time with his own unique set of morals. There were plenty of times that Logan would set fellow teammates straight or give them his own brand of advice to help them when they were struggling emotionally.

Somewhere along the line he just became a 1 dimensional, stab happy idiot that served only one purpose for being involved in the story....to go in the situation and wreak havoc. It's why Remender's and Aaron's voice for the character was such a breath of fresh air, they went back and wrote him the way he was...Aaron developed him even further in his run. They communicated on what they were doing with him and it worked wonderfully.

This times 100!

The problem isn't overexposure. I don't even notice that anymore. The problem is that his character went stale, but instead of fixing him, Marvel kept pushing him to the point of tearing other characters down to make Wolverine front and center. That bothered me.

Aaron and Remender did a great job with his character, that I'll agree with, but Marvel's still inconsistent with him. While they were bringing him back to form, we had Children's Crusade and other things like it making him more hack slash again. Then we have Humphries come in with the new Uncanny X-Force and make him try to make Psylocke his kill weapon when he already swore off that stuff. OH, and in Savage Wolverine with Mad's art he was all hack slash again.

It's not that I hate his character... it's that Marvel doesn't seem to even bother figuring out what his character is. They play it off like he's multi-layered. They give the hack slash for those who want that, they give the tortured samurai for those who want that, and they give the proper school teacher/father figure for those who want that. The last two are fine, but you can't have them with the first. It just doesn't work. The last two should be what matters. The first should have simply been yet another dark spot in his life that he's moved on from.

Also, it annoys me that they did a role reversal with Cyke and Wolvie in order to make Wolvie the "good guy" in the situation. That still bugs the tar out of me. I mean, they did it in a way that made narrative sense for the most part, but it still bugs me.

 

[Lord]

I really don't like it when Wolverine's just this weird and grumpy old man (with young appearance of course), that is allways angry and wants to stap things, it's just a boring take on the character now

 

[Anubis]

When you get down to it, character growth with the big two is and always will be temporary. Wolverine will always go back to grumpy old man loner who happens to be a member of every team ever. Spidey will always go back to loser Peter Parker who never gets ahead cuz with great power comes blah, blah, blah.

It's just the way it is.

 

[squeekness]

This times 100!

The problem isn't overexposure. I don't even notice that anymore. The problem is that his character went stale, but instead of fixing him, Marvel kept pushing him to the point of tearing other characters down to make Wolverine front and center. That bothered me.

Aaron and Remender did a great job with his character, that I'll agree with, but Marvel's still inconsistent with him. While they were bringing him back to form, we had Children's Crusade and other things like it making him more hack slash again. Then we have Humphries come in with the new Uncanny X-Force and make him try to make Psylocke his kill weapon when he already swore off that stuff. OH, and in Savage Wolverine with Mad's art he was all hack slash again.

It's not that I hate his character... it's that Marvel doesn't seem to even bother figuring out what his character is. They play it off like he's multi-layered. They give the hack slash for those who want that, they give the tortured samurai for those who want that, and they give the proper school teacher/father figure for those who want that. The last two are fine, but you can't have them with the first. It just doesn't work. The last two should be what matters. The first should have simply been yet another dark spot in his life that he's moved on from.

Also, it annoys me that they did a role reversal with Cyke and Wolvie in order to make Wolvie the "good guy" in the situation. That still bugs the tar out of me. I mean, they did it in a way that made narrative sense for the most part, but it still bugs me.

This reminds me of a time, many moons ago when there was a single year that had the Punisher guest in Wolvy's book and then later Wolvy in the Punisher's. Different creative teams. In both instances, the portrayal of each character was wildly different. Wolvy was an ass in the Punisher book, and Frank was an ass in Wolvy's. No consistency on either side, it was about who could do more damage to the other. It bugged me greatly. To me, there should be guidelines and consistency through the Marvel universe no matter who uses who. This still goes on today. I notice it more with Wolvy than anyone else, maybe because he just crossovers more, but I imagine that inconsistency must be common with others as well.

 

[roach]

This times 100!

The problem isn't overexposure. I don't even notice that anymore. The problem is that his character went stale, but instead of fixing him, Marvel kept pushing him to the point of tearing other characters down to make Wolverine front and center. That bothered me.

Aaron and Remender did a great job with his character, that I'll agree with, but Marvel's still inconsistent with him. While they were bringing him back to form, we had Children's Crusade and other things like it making him more hack slash again. Then we have Humphries come in with the new Uncanny X-Force and make him try to make Psylocke his kill weapon when he already swore off that stuff. OH, and in Savage Wolverine with Mad's art he was all hack slash again.

It's not that I hate his character... it's that Marvel doesn't seem to even bother figuring out what his character is. They play it off like he's multi-layered. They give the hack slash for those who want that, they give the tortured samurai for those who want that, and they give the proper school teacher/father figure for those who want that. The last two are fine, but you can't have them with the first. It just doesn't work. The last two should be what matters. The first should have simply been yet another dark spot in his life that he's moved on from.

Also, it annoys me that they did a role reversal with Cyke and Wolvie in order to make Wolvie the "good guy" in the situation. That still bugs the tar out of me. I mean, they did it in a way that made narrative sense for the most part, but it still bugs me.

I feel this way about the X-men.

 

[Shockdingo]

I agree with the above about Logan. Look at Deadpool. One of my favorites, but when his popularity peaked, he was appearing everywhere and with each appearance, you risked getting a writer that didn't understand him, thus they would do a bad job and something from their treatment would stick. It's also the reason why so many modern Marvel covers have him recreating tired memes when he's not even in an issue; too many writers focused on the wacky side of Wade and not the tortured soul trying to find his lot in life.

Way added the Deadpool vision, and white box schizophrenia (it's why for a while he said "we" is a symbiotic manner), a writer who did an origins one-shot book completely disregarded many of the things Joe Kelly and Nicieza (Cable and Deadpool days) established about his family structure and time in Weapon X and the Hospice. The recent writers Duggan and Posehn have done a brilliant job of fixing the lot of stuff.

 

[chamber-music]

Batman is more character consistent across the DC books than Wolverine is these days. I think the editors are probably not paying attention or don't really care.

It does get a little tiresome when you have Wolverine in one book chastising a character about murder and in the next book he is stabbing someone to death or drowning his own son.

 

[squeekness]

Batman is more character consistent across the DC books than Wolverine is these days. I think the editors are probably not paying attention or don't really care.

It does get a little tiresome when you have Wolverine in one book chastising a character about murder and in the next book he is stabbing someone to death or drowning his own son.

Agreed. It's this inconsistency I think that takes things away for us regular fans. You want to use Wolvy in a book (or Wade for that manner) make sure you've at least been briefed on recent canon before you write. (And since when can a healer like Daken actually drown? They've brought him back already since that anyhow.)

 

[BoredGuy]

Well, that drowning Daken thing was an important moment for the character
it was a big reason he ended x-force and is trying to redeem himself with the UAvengers

I still maintain that if you disregard AvX, Children's Crusade, and Age of Ultron, Wolverine has been very consistent and great for quite a while. (note the amount of Bendis in said poorly characterized stories, and children's crusade was an editorial mess because of delays)

 

[Lord]

Bendis was never very good at following other people's writting, while he was one of the architects in Ultimate Marvel's Conception, he's also one of the main reasons the characters outside Spider-Man there got so confusing and he's in least responsible for 90% of the continuity problems. What he did to Ultimate Reed Richards was almost criminal.

 

[Brainiac 8]

The reason Marvel has issues with their characters being written properly is because they don't write stories around the characters, they shoehorn characters to fit their stories.

It's why Cyclops is seen as the new Magneto because he did things while being influenced by a cosmic god.
It's why Wolverine chastises people for murder when he's Happy McStabby in everything.
It's why Captain America allows Wolverine to be an Avenger even though Wolverine stands for everything Caps against.
It's why they constantly have heroes fight for stupid reasons when a simple conversation would solve most of the problems.
It's why Gwen Stacy had crazy mad sex with Norman Osborn.
It's why you have Peter Parker make a deal with Mephisto to dissolve his marriage to save his already ancient aunt.

Marvel has some terrific writers that take a character's history and adds to it without disregarding it.

Then they have their writers that use their favorite characters for every story they write whether that character fits in the story or not. If they don't fit, I can write them to fit says Brian Bendis and many others.

 

[squeekness]

The reason Marvel has issues with their characters being written properly is because they don't write stories around the characters, they shoehorn characters to fit their stories.

This.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

I really hate how Bendis writes Wolverine, I will say that. Lately, as another poster said earlier, Aaron and Remender have been the only writers to really nail the character.

Bendis, as far as All-New X-Men is concerned, writes him as grumpy and just unlikable. The same can be said about Age of Ultron. Cornell's not doing a bad job, but there's something about the heightened sci-fi feel that his book has, not to mention the vibrant Alan Davis art that's off-putting for me. Wolverine really has been losing his grit. As much as Aaron's concerned, his run on the solo book was fantastic, but Wolverine and The X-Men has softened him up in the worse way. He's just not interesting.

Anyway, I really do love the character, but I've been coming to terms with the fact that, unlike some people think, the problem's not the character, it's the writing lately. Killing him off though won't help anything. Sometimes it's better to fix something than throw it away.

 

[StreetWarrior]

http://comicbook.com/blog/2013/11/21/guardians-of-the-galaxy-to-recruit-venom/

"Written by Brian Michael Bendis with art by Nick Bradshaw, the Guardians of the Galaxy story introduces both Venom and Captain Marvel to the team."

I love the Flash Thompson Venom but this is just dumb...

 

[Havok83]

wow that image is the absolute worst that Ive seen of Captain Marvel's headgear

 

[Gamma Goliath]

It's pretty scary looking. Lol

 

[Scarecrow_King]

It's terrible headgear to begin with.

 

[The Squirrel]

Venom is joining the Guardians?

 

[Anubis]

People forget. That thing did come from space.

 

[Will Nolte]

GotG is becoming the "Lets-throw-random-characters-on-the-team-and-see-if-they-stick" book. First Iron Man, now Agent Venom and Ms Captain Marvel.

 

[Anubis]

Both of which make more sense than effin' Iron Man.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

GotG is becoming the "Lets-throw-random-characters-on-the-team-and-see-if-they-stick" book. First Iron Man, now Agent Venom and Ms Captain Marvel.

Yeah the team is unrecognizable now. I miss DnA now more than ever.