Mass Effect 3

[smashmode]

I only glanced over the petitions, but most of the wording I've seen are asking Bioware to do something, not demanding. But I could be wrong. I haven't paid much attention to them.

Personally, I think the petitions and complaints are great. Will it do anything for Mass Effect 3? Probably not. But maybe it'll give Bioware a kick in the pants and keep them on edge for their next series to ensure they come through on their promises.

How dare consumers speak up and requesting a company to honor its promises. It is up to the company to see if they will respond to the consumers

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

whens the first DLC supposed to come out anyway?

Well early April there's a ME panel at PAX unless I'm mistaken. I expect we'll hear about DLC and this ending situation one way or the other by that time.

 

[Balthus Dire]

essentially

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yes, your choices equals points, points equal to a different 'ending' colours.

Fixed.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

What happens in the endings is pretty substantive and different, its just that they don't show any of it. [BLACKOUT] I mean in terms of all synthetics being dead vs everyone becoming half synthetic vs the Reapers simply retreating back into Dark Space. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[X Knight]

What happens in the endings is pretty substantive and different, its just that they don't show any of it.

and therein lies one of the many problems........

 

[Balthus Dire]

Wolvie, not everyone is "DEMANDING" a better ending. Many fans are petitioning to raise awareness to both Bioware and the fanbase that they are extremely unhappy with the ending, and hope that Bioware will in return change it or do something to fix the problems.

What, exactly, is wrong with that?

 

[PWN3R]

I agree with you about that word being used to much.

To me, I only see it as entitlement when people want Bioware to actually go and change the ending to the story they created and put out there. If they want a new feature, some game fixing thing, something that means the product is actually 'broken', that is different. They ARE entitled it.

But if you go see a movie and don't like the way it ends, DEMANDING they change the movie and re-release it, is entitlement.

Good or bad, that was the story the writers and game director wanted to put out there. I can't think of anything more horrifically insulting to someone in a creative field to being told to 'redo' something they spent over 24 months working on.

Also, peoples complaints about none of their decisions mattering, to me, is a separate issue to the ending. They could have enhanced that with the overall game, addressed things like the Rachni etc better, that kind of thing. The 3 endings is different though. They could have kept those exact 3 endings and still shown more of our choices reflected, showing us each character and what is happening to them as a direct result of our choice.

However, wanting them to take back a product they've put out their, alter the story and narrative component, then release it again? If Bioware actually did that, I would have no respect for them at all.

If you write something that doesn't work or is flawed, you have to live with it. There are no do-overs. That's a black mark on your record, people will either turn away from you or give you another chance. But you can't go back in time and fix it, what's done is done.

The sooner everyone accepts that, the better. The moments developers, writers, directors, whatever, start allowing their vision be influenced by fan pressure, is the moment they lose ALL integrity as creative content producers.

I agree with that last part, but it's difficult to apply movies and other forms of entertainment with Mass Effect. No one makes a film with the audiences' choices in mind. Mass Effect has always been focused on the player and their individual journeys. That is why people are so responsive and want some kind of change.

It's a testament to Bioware's universe that people feel this way. No film could have people donate almost $50,000 to change the ending. If it could, the SW prequels would have never happened.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Something else I think people have glossed over....

If they do a Mass Effect 4, these endings that apparently are so insignificant, would actually create several VERY different settings for the Galaxy. I find the idea of that very intriguing, and perhaps that was their intention, in knowing that they were ending one trilogy, to give themselves the freedom to have a very different ME universe that isn't a reboot but rather still building off your previous save games, hence the segments like Liara asking you how you want to be remembered. Food for thought.

 

[Carnage27]

If they do a Mass Effect 4, these endings that apparently are so insignificant, would actually create several VERY different settings for the Galaxy. I find the idea of that very intriguing, and perhaps that was their intention, in knowing that they were ending one trilogy, to give themselves the freedom to have a very different ME universe that isn't a reboot but rather still building off your previous save games, hence the segments like Liara asking you how you want to be remembered. Food for thought.

Personally I'd have very little interest in continuing in the resulting universe.

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Without the Mass Relays, I think the universe becomes infinitely less interesting.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

What, exactly, is wrong with that?

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Wolvie, not everyone is "DEMANDING" a better ending. Many fans are petitioning to raise awareness to both Bioware and the fanbase that they are extremely unhappy with the ending, and hope that Bioware will in return change it or do something to fix the problems.

There are no 'problems'. Real, game breaking problems aren't subjective, there's either something wrong or there isn't. Since there are plenty of people who liked, even loved, the endings, they aren't problems. It's a creative decision that didn't go down with everyone.

How about all the people who loved the endings, feeling ****** over by the prospect of all that changing for the people who didn't? I suppose their opinion is invalid?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Personally I'd have very little interest in continuing in the resulting universe.

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Why? That would mean more manual space travel. You could be controlling the normandy yourself in a proper 3D control scheme, like Lylat Wars or something. They could do anything to make that more interesting. Space battles, dog fights with enemy crafts... Something different isn't necessarily something bad.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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There are no 'problems'. Real, game breaking problems aren't subjective, there's either something wrong or there isn't. Since there are plenty of people who liked, even loved, the endings, they aren't problems. It's a creative decision that didn't go down with everyone.

How about all the people who loved the endings, feeling ****** over by the prospect of all that changing for the people who didn't? I suppose their opinion is invalid?

Oh, sorry...I should've been more specific with my words: the "perceived" problems. Better??

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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I don't know if I would want to actually fly but the universe can eventually get back on its feet. FTL travel is not gone and the Mass Relays can be duplicated. I just expect ME4 to be a good long while after ME3.

 

[Carnage27]

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Why? That would mean more manual space travel. You could be controlling the normandy yourself in a proper 3D control scheme, like Lylat Wars or something. They could do anything to make that more interesting. Space battles, dog fights with enemy crafts... Something different isn't necessarily something bad.

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Just not interested in that. At all. The Mass Relays made it a sprawling space epic. A smaller scope would be disappointing to me.

Not saynig it would be bad. Saying I have no interest in it. Same way that I don't doubt The Old Republic is good. I just have no interest in it.

 

[X Knight]

Something else I think people have glossed over....

If they do a Mass Effect 4, these endings that apparently are so insignificant, would actually create several VERY different settings for the Galaxy. I find the idea of that very intriguing, and perhaps that was their intention, in knowing that they were ending one trilogy, to give themselves the freedom to have a very different ME universe that isn't a reboot but rather still building off your previous save games, hence the segments like Liara asking you how you want to be remembered. Food for thought.

that is very true.

and as I said above, I'd rather have them come out and announce that the story will continue on in ME 4, instead of some DLC.

but still, there should have been more "closure" in ME 3 with the endings.

and, Bioware should have been more upfront with their intention of continuing the story in ME 4 or whatever.....

although they did say "Hold onto your ME 3 saves" a while back......

we just didn't know what they meant by that.........hmmmmm.......

 

[Balthus Dire]

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I don't know if I would want to actually fly but the universe can eventually get back on its feet. FTL travel is not gone and the Mass Relays can be duplicated. I just expect ME4 to be a good long while after ME3.

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It has already been said that a sequel franchise would more than likely be a prequel.

Also, in regards to the "theory" there has been new information kinda leaked on BSN that pretty strongly supports that Bioware planned the ending we got, and not for a "false ending." The post includes pictures of deleted scenes and storyboard drafts that directly support the current ending.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9999272/1

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Oh, sorry...I should've been more specific with my words: the "perceived" problems. Better??

No, not at all, because my point seemed to wash right over you. I loved my ending and found it a great ending for my Shepard. Having Bioware change that completely ****'s all over me and everyone else who was satisfied with the game. Why do the needs of a vocal minority outweigh everyone else?

 

[Balthus Dire]

No, not at all, because my point seemed to wash right over you. I loved my ending and found it a great ending for my Shepard. Having Bioware change that completely ****'s all over me and everyone else who was satisfied with the game. Why do the needs of a vocal minority outweigh everyone else?

I'm not saying they do, but you're acting as if they're irrational morons for trying to get the ending changed. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

 

[Carnage27]

Why do the needs of a vocal minority outweigh everyone else?

To be fair, there's no accurate way to gauge the minority/majority here unless you polled every single last player.

But again, if they do indeed do some sort of DLC "revised" ending, it's not like you have to download it.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Spoiler

It has already been said that a sequel franchise would more than likely be a prequel.

Also, in regards to the "theory" there has been new information kinda leaked on BSN that pretty strongly supports that Bioware planned the ending we got, and not for a "false ending." The post includes pictures of deleted scenes and storyboard drafts that directly support the current ending.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9999272/1

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I'll need to look that over later. Well nothing is written in stone yet, let's see how they respond to all of this.

 

[Speedball]

Has anyone gotten the new game plus ending?

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well I'm gauging that by the 30,000 people in a petition on facebook trying to get it changed over everyone else out of the several million or more people who bought the game.

And i wouldn't have to download it, but it's the principle. It's being told my ending wasn't canon or wasn't the 'true' ending. That's still a kick in the balls not to mention does it look like extremely weak fan pandering.

I'm not saying they do, but you're acting as if they're irrational morons for trying to get the ending changed. I'm saying there's nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

Well I'm saying there is. There we go, you feel one way I feel another. Opinions. Should we engage in a cyclical conversation for the next 3 hours where neither of us gives way as well? That seems to be fashionable at the moment.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

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I don't believe there is one. I think the guide is wrong in this case.

 

[Master Chief]

Spoiler

It has already been said that a sequel franchise would more than likely be a prequel.

Also, in regards to the "theory" there has been new information kinda leaked on BSN that pretty strongly supports that Bioware planned the ending we got, and not for a "false ending." The post includes pictures of deleted scenes and storyboard drafts that directly support the current ending.

http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9999272/1

Oooh my that is a bummer. Now I know they actually planned it out, and agreed that it was a good way to go... Today is a very sad day.

 

[Balthus Dire]

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I don't believe there is one. I think the guide is wrong in this case.

Sorry, what do you mean by this?