Ms. Marvel in the works? - Part 1

[KangConquers]

A character with untapped potential is a character with untapped potential. Doesn't really matter how long it went untapped imo

Look how many people are clamoring for a Black Panther movie over Dr Strange or Daredevil or Moon Knight

The difference between Ms. Marvel and Iron Man is there are 10-15 Iron Man stories that people do enjoy, and cite as good or great arcs. I've never heard anyone praise the time Ms. Marvel baby-sat M.O.D.O.K.lettes.

You're going to have to drill pretty deep to reached that untapped potential (please, no Marcus Immortus jokes.)

 

[Chewy]

A comic that lasts 500 issues better have 10 memorable moments

Anyway I'm not sure how this became about comparing Iron Man's comic run to Ms Marvel's. I brought up the comparison because you mentioned how vanilla her character has been. My point was that that's true of many, many characters who are considered classic - Iron Man, Mar-Vell, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Ant-Man (outside of the meltdown), etc. Most of these characters don't have their personalities lifted straight from page to screen - at least, not the ones that have been successful

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Well my point was that the character is a bit of a blank slate, so why not make her interesting? I think it makes sense to add a female heavy hitter to the team, but they really need to take the character to a new place in the film.

 

[KangConquers]

A comic that lasts 500 issues better have 10 memorable moments

Anyway I'm not sure how this became about comparing Iron Man's comic run to Ms Marvel's. I brought up the comparison because you mentioned how vanilla her character has been. My point was that that's true of many, many characters who are considered classic - Iron Man, Mar-Vell, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen, Ant-Man (outside of the meltdown), etc. Most of these characters don't have their personalities lifted straight from page to screen - at least, not the ones that have been successful

True. We'll see where the Captain Marvel book goes. The time travel element seemed random...but I haven't given up yet.

How would you guys feel about Quasar's Quantum bands being involved in Captain Marvel/ being the way Carol gets her powers? Mar-Vell was defender of the universe, and it'd make more sense for Danvers to get his powers through some sort of artifact/ accessory than to crash into a machine with him.

 

[Chewy]

Seems to me the time travel element is so that

Spoiler

she ends up choosing to allow herself to get/keep her powers, instead of it being a random accident. Knowing full well all the **** it puts her through.

At least, that's where I assume it's going


Btw, I saw your post before the edit. John Cena for Namor

 

[KangConquers]

Seems to me the time travel element is so that

Spoiler

she ends up choosing to allow herself to get/keep her powers, instead of it being a random accident. Knowing full well all the **** it puts her through.

At least, that's where I assume it's going


Btw, I saw your post before the edit. John Cena for Namor

Bet you didn't see that.

 

[Chewy]

Nope, so I'll just assume this is called for

 

[KangConquers]

Nope, so I'll just assume this is called for

 

[DrCosmic]

How is Scarlet Witch a part of a more popular male character? She's definitely more popular than Quicksilver, and just as popular and as well known as the Vision. Unless you meant Magneto, I think you're wrong.

For the record, Ms. Marvel is a spin-off of a male superhero. Just a friendly reminder.

Lol, I remember. If Mar-Vell were still alive/active she would be in more or less the same boat as the Wasp.

I didn't know SW was more popular than QS. She certainly doesn't receive as much character development. Regardless, she has her own special case going on, namely an even more hodge-podged story minus mutancy and anything resembling a solo onging.

Is SW more interestnig as a heroine though? I guess I missed Caps Kooky Quartet days...

 

[Chewy]

I didn't know SW was more popular than QS. She certainly doesn't receive as much character development.

Uh.

The opposite of that is true

Scarlet Witch has been far and away the most developed female Avenger over the years, maybe the most developed female Marvel character

 

[KangConquers]

Lol, I remember. If Mar-Vell were still alive/active she would be in more or less the same boat as the Wasp.

I didn't know SW was more popular than QS. She certainly doesn't receive as much character development. Regardless, she has her own special case going on, namely an even more hodge-podged story minus mutancy and anything resembling a solo onging.

Is SW more interestnig as a heroine though? I guess I missed Caps Kooky Quartet days...

Scarlet Witch is one of the most important yet polarizing Avengers of all time. I'd argue she's tied with Pym in 4th place on a list of most important Avengers, behind Cap, Iron Man and Thor.

Quicksilver is pompous, arrogant, and just...there. He was always more important by association than central to any important arcs.

And Alex Ross didn't even consider him worthy of this poster, for God's sake.

 

[KangConquers]

Uh.

The opposite of that is true

Scarlet Witch has been far and away the most developed female Avenger over the years, maybe the most developed female Marvel character

Seriously. How many other characters have had a Time Lord in a Pope Hat and a Arch Demon trying to manipulate their children out of existence? Or single handedly broke a race, or single handedly disband a team? Scarlet Witch might be the only female character in Marvel history to rise well above her male associates.

I could see the argument that Scarlet Witch is THE most impactful Avenger ever. Not the most popular, or important, but in terms of storyline impact? Hot damn.

 

[DrCosmic]

The difference between Ms. Marvel and Iron Man is there are 10-15 Iron Man stories that people do enjoy, and cite as good or great arcs. I've never heard anyone praise the time Ms. Marvel baby-sat M.O.D.O.K.lettes.

You're going to have to drill pretty deep to reached that untapped potential (please, no Marcus Immortus jokes.)

Well that's the thing, when you're digging into untapped potential, you don't go through the stories that didn't tap the potential, you take a long look at the character and see what you can twist. Because Danvers, like Tony, is so vanilla there are a dozen little twists you can give her to make her sing. She has the hooks, the military brat, the intelligence operative, the hotshot pilot, the working woman... but no one's ever hung anything on those hooks except bad stories. She's never done anything because of who she is, it seems. There's room to work with that.

True. We'll see where the Captain Marvel book goes. The time travel element seemed random...but I haven't given up yet.

How would you guys feel about Quasar's Quantum bands being involved in Captain Marvel/ being the way Carol gets her powers? Mar-Vell was defender of the universe, and it'd make more sense for Danvers to get his powers through some sort of artifact/ accessory than to crash into a machine with him.

I think Mar-Vell's Nega-bands basically have the same effect, there shouldn't be a need to Co-opt Quasar's bands... but I am a bit attached to the explosion changing her DNA, even if all it does is enable her to use the Nega-Bands.

 

[Chewy]

Scarlet Witch would probably be most people's most requested Avenger for the sequel if it wasn't for all the rights tomfoolery.

Wanda is awesome but it seems like Marvel doesn't want to get into the "grey area" characters

 

[KangConquers]

Scarlet Witch would probably be most people's most requested Avenger for the sequel if it wasn't for all the rights tomfoolery.

Wanda is awesome but it seems like Marvel doesn't want to get into the "grey area" characters

I also think, like Adam Warlock, they're holding out on Wanda so Doctor Strange can be the MCU's first "Witch"/ "Wizard" Superhero.

 

[DrCosmic]

Uh.

The opposite of that is true

Scarlet Witch has been far and away the most developed female Avenger over the years, maybe the most developed female Marvel character

Seriously. How many other characters have had a Time Lord in a Pope Hat and a Arch Demon trying to manipulate their children out of existence? Or single handedly broke a race, or single handedly disband a team? Scarlet Witch might be the only female character in Marvel history to rise well above her male associates.

I could see the argument that Scarlet Witch is THE most impactful Avenger ever. Not the most popular, or important, but in terms of storyline impact? Hot damn.

Hmmm... perhaps she had a lot of development back in the day before I started reading. But in the modern stories, she's very deus ex, AvX was the first time in 616 I ever read her as something other than a crazy god. Definitely powerful, but I wouldn't call that development of a character. I would hope that she was more than a plot device back in the 70s, though I suspect/fear she was on that same fainting stuff that Sue and Jean were on.

 

[Chewy]

60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, pick your decade. The aughts were, let's say, not her best showing.

 

[KangConquers]

60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, pick your decade. The aughts were, let's say, not her best showing.

She was definitely part of a marginalized demographic.

No, not mutants. Pre-Bendis Avengers.

 

[Chewy]

DrCosmic, give this a read:

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...R-s-Top-Fifty-Avengers-(2011)-Revealed!/page4

 

[KangConquers]

DrCosmic, give this a read:

http://forums.comicbookresources.co...R-s-Top-Fifty-Avengers-(2011)-Revealed!/page4

Oh, God. This makes me really want to make my own list *tries to resist*

Note btw, that Quicksilver is the third lowest ranked 1960s Avenger, ahead of only the Hulk (who was barely an Avenger) and the Swordsman. Not an amazing showing, with the much lesser known Black Knight coming in ahead of him.

 

[DrCosmic]

Okay, okay... I get it now, she's kinda awesome.

But at the same time, I do want to point out Carol is right behind her in that poll.

 

[KangConquers]

Okay, okay... I get it now, she's kinda awesome.

But at the same time, I do want to point out Carol is right behind her in that poll.

For the record, I think Carol is a MUCH easier character to integrate into the MCU, as her powers don't involve Mutant Fathers, Super Evolved Geneticists and Fallen Elder Gods.

 

[Xeno]

Okay, okay... I get it now, she's kinda awesome.

But at the same time, I do want to point out Carol is right behind her in that poll.

She shouldn't be. The Pyms, The Vision, Mantis and a whole slew of others ought to be above Danvers in any list of the greatest/most important Avengers. The fact that Ms. Marvel has had a lot of exposure in recent years skews peoples' perceptions. In terms of depth of history with the team, originality and the number of potentially great stories there are to tell about the character, Danvers should be ranked far below the classic Avengers, IMO.

 

[DOOZlovesBOOZ]

Dam*** guys, you got me all excited to see SW now and that's not going to happen. I wish she would've showed up in EMH.

 

[KangConquers]

She shouldn't be. The Pyms, The Vision, Mantis and a whole slew of others ought to be above Danvers in any list of the greatest/most important Avengers. The fact that Ms. Marvel has had a lot of exposure in recent years skews peoples' perceptions. In terms of depth of history with the team, originality and the number of potentially great stories there are to tell about the character, Danvers should be ranked far below the classic Avengers, IMO.

To be fair to Danvers she gets a bit of a "Solo hero" boost, which also helps Spider-Man, and She-Hulk on that list (Come on, is She-Hulk REALLY a top 10 Avenger?)