The Dark Knight Rises New Batmobile

[Bat-Mite]

I know that if my mini tank had just been destroyed by one of my enemies, my primary concern would be to have a car that is less durable but makes the girls want me and makes the guys envious of me.

 

[RustyCage]

No, The Tumbler goes 0-60 in 5.6 second. The only sports car that I know of that can go 0-60 in a second is a Bugatti Veyron. Even McLaren's can't go that fast.

Maybe I heard wrong, the exact time wasn't covered in the documentary (I read it in an article). Thanks for clearing that up if you're right.

 

[Travesty]

Maybe I heard wrong, the exact time wasn't covered in the documentary (I read it in an article). Thanks for clearing that up if you're right.

Yeah, you can look it up, it's documented. Realistically, I don't think The Tumbler could ever go from 0-60 in a second, because it's incredibly big and not aerodynamic at all.

 

[RustyCage]

Yeah, you can look it up, it's documented. Realistically, I don't think The Tumbler could ever go from 0-60 in a second, because it's incredibly big and not aerodynamic at all.

I figured the point of all the sharp angles and the triangular bits, and that wedge thing between the wheels, was to make it aerodynamic. Not to mention the wing flaps that open. I guess the sheer bulk of the thing can work against that though.

 

[KalMart]

No, The Tumbler goes 0-60 in 5.6 second. The only sports car that I know of that can go 0-60 in a second is a Bugatti Veyron. Even McLaren's can't go that fast.

Even the most recent incarnation of the Veyron, the Super Sport, the one that set the new production car speed record after the American Shelby took it from the first Veyron, does 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds. 0-60 in one second or under, you're talking funny-cars and top-fuel dragsters...which can even do .60-.75 seconds.

I figured the point of all the sharp angles and the triangular bits, and that wedge thing between the wheels, was to make it aerodynamic. Not to mention the wing flaps that open. I guess the sheer bulk of the thing can work against that though.

Well...if it had to get better lap times than some high-performance sportscars or race cars on a track, it might have some issues. But in the various confines of the inner city, and all the obstacles/obstructions, being able to completely outperform any police vehicle or what criminals will likely be driving is more than enough, along with its added capabilities.

Put it this way...the Lambo and the bike that he rode as Wayne in the movies will probably outperform the Tumbler (sans the 'rocket boost' or whatever) in terms of pure performance/speed numbers...but they'd probably have a much tougher time doing what the Tumbler does in a combat situation.

 

[Travesty]

I figured the point of all the sharp angles and the triangular bits, and that wedge thing between the wheels, was to make it aerodynamic. Not to mention the wing flaps that open. I guess the sheer bulk of the thing can work against that though.

My point, is there are sports cars that are wayyyyyy more aerodynamic, lighter, and have bigger engines that can't even go 0-60 in a second. Going that fast is a crazy feat by any means. Now, going 0-60 in 5.6 isn't bad, especially with how big that thing is, but it's not that fast. Even the Lamborghini(bigger engine than The Tumbler) can go faster than 5.6, but again, it still can't do it in 1 second.

I'm not knocking The Tumbler, I like it a lot, but I'm just saying it can't go that fast.

 

[Travesty]

Even the most recent incarnation of the Veyron, the Super Sport, the one that set the new production car speed record after the American Shelby took it from the first Veyron, does 0-60 in about 2.5 seconds. 0-60 in one second or under, you're talking funny-cars and top-fuel dragsters...which can even do .60-.75 seconds.

No, it can. You just have to have the second key engaged for the booster. It's not recommend on regular roads, but it can. Let me try and find an article on it.....

Edit: Hmmmm, I'm trying to find the article that I was looking for when looking up The Tumblers 0-60, and it said on the Bugatti could do it, but I can't find it. All the other articles are saying 2.5 with the key, when the other said it could do that without the key. You're probably right, as I'm seeing more that one say it's 0-60 is 2.5.

 

[KalMart]

No, it can. You just have to have the second key engaged for the booster. It's not recommend on regular roads, but it can. Let me try and find an article on it.....

The Veyron Super- Sport, in under a second? I dunno about that...again, dragsters can reach something like .6 0-60. I don't even think F1 or Champ Cars...which can eat a Veyron for breakfast for all intents and purposes, can get off the line that fast. they can theoretically do .9 0-60, but there's no real way to get that traction down with that much power off the line....which might also be an issue with the Veyron even though it's much heavier and has 1200 bhp.

http://www.thesupercars.org/fastest-cars/fastest-cars-in-the-world-top-10-list/

To be fair...0-60 in under 3 seconds isn't exactly recommended on 'regular roads' either.

 

[Travesty]

The Veyron Super- Sport, in under a second? I dunno about that...again, dragsters can reach something like .6 0-60. I don't even think F1 or Champ Cars...which can eat a Veyron for breakfast for all intents and purposes, can get off the line that fast.

http://www.thesupercars.org/fastest-cars/fastest-cars-in-the-world-top-10-list/

Just edited my post above. I think you're right.

 

[KalMart]

It's still stupid-fast, though.

Again, it's about what you have to do with the vehicle. If all Batman had to do was get away from cops or other pursuers in vehicles...they'd never catch him if he were in something like a Caterham R500 or an Ariel Atom...

http://www.caterham.co.uk/assets/html/showroom/superlightr500.html

http://www.arielatom.com/

....which basically have little 200-ish hp engines but weigh about half a ton. He;d lose them in the corners and turns before they even blinked. But when it comes to the Tumbler...it may not be the fastest thing ever on wheels...but you still can't catch OR stop it without heavy artillery.

 

[RustyCage]

I didn't mention anything about how fast it could go, did I? I did mention a 2.5 ton jumping and driving over the roofs of old buildings as being unrealistic, which it is.

You were talking about the Bat-Pod being hard to steer and then immediately referred to the Tumbler and it's capabilities, so I was outlining the reality of it's capabilities to you (with one mistake that was corrected by other users).

It can jump like that, as illustrated by the videos I posted for you. Whether or not those buildings would hold up under it's weight is another argument entirely (one that can't be sustained by either side). We're talking about the Tumbler though, not the impossible to determine age and strength of a few buildings it jumped onto.

 

[Fenrir]

Yeah, you can look it up, it's documented. Realistically, I don't think The Tumbler could ever go from 0-60 in a second, because it's incredibly big and not aerodynamic at all.

Nothing can go from 0-60 in a second. Not the Bugatti Veyron (even the new Supersport version). Not F1 cars. Nothing. As for those who say the Tumbler is "not aerodynamic at all", I suggest you watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ffaDgMfI

 

[Travesty]

Nothing can go from 0-60 in a second. Not the Bugatti Veyron (even the new Supersport version). Not F1 cars. Nothing. As for those who say the Tumbler is "not aerodynamic at all", I suggest you watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ffaDgMfI

Yes there are. There are plenty of dragsters and motorcycles that have done it. There are dragsters that can go 0-100 in 1 second.

As for the video, the aerodynamics are geared more to how it stays stable. They even say it's "big and bulky", but the aerodynamics can make it catch speeds without catching lift, and spilling out. The aerodynamics are not for speed, but for stability.

 

[KalMart]

Heck...a rally driver in a Lancer EVO would probably lose most cops in a city environment, too.

 

[RustyCage]

The aerodynamics are not for speed, but for stability.

Granted, but I think the point was that they're there at all, when it was suggested that it was completely lacking aerodynamics before in the thread.

The stability angle is genius.

Thanks for the great vid, Fenrir.

 

[Avengers-Report]

Sleeker Tumbler + Awesome Batboat Scene = Yesssssssssssss

 

[conan69]

"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fu3ffaDgMfI"

Cool vid.

 

[Travesty]

Granted, but I think the point was that they're there at all, when it was suggested that it was completely lacking aerodynamics before in the thread.

When I was saying it was lacking aerodynamics, I was just talking about speed. I've known about the stability designs, as that special is on my TDK disc, and I've seen it before.

Anyways, I hope we just get another Tumbler for TDKR. Maybe a bit sleeker in design, but overall, I like the way it looks and functions in these movies.

 

[Fenrir]

Yes there are. There are plenty of dragsters and motorcycles that have done it. There are dragsters that can go 0-100 in 1 second.

Are they road legal? Do have they have any other utility besides breaking records? Can they make a sharp turn without crashing? Is it drivable in a city environment? Just because there are machines that can go upto 500 mph in the desert doesn't mean that those facts are relevant when discussing an urban vehicle such as the Batmobile now, is it?

As for the video, the aerodynamics are geared more to how it stays stable. They even say it's "big and bulky", but the aerodynamics can make it catch speeds without catching lift, and spilling out. The aerodynamics are not for speed, but for stability.

Actually, the video explains how the Tumbler's aerodynamic design pushes the car down at high speeds - something racing cars need massive spoilers for. It helps the car 'stick' to the road and put more of its power on the ground. Yes, it is for stability, but then again, a stable car is always faster than an unstable car. Just look at the Apollo Gumpert for example. So practically speaking, the aerodynamics help with the speed as well.

 

[Travesty]

Are they road legal? Do have they have any other utility besides breaking records? Can they make a sharp turn without crashing? Is it drivable in a city environment? Just because there are machines that can go upto 500 mph in the desert, does mean those facts are relevant when you're talking about the Batmobile now, is it?

What are you talking about? You said nothing can go that fast, and even used an F1 car as an example(non street legal), so I gave you other examples of cars that could. And either way, what does it matter? I was correcting Rustycage about The Tumbler's 0-60, and then Kalmart corrected me on the Veyron 0-60, and that's all we were talking about.

Actually, the video explains how the Tumbler's aerodynamic design pushes the car down at high speeds - something racing cars need massive spoilers for. Yes, it is for stability, but then again, a stable car is always faster than an unstable car. So practically speaking, the aerodynamics help with the speed as well.

Actually, the engine is the only thing that helps with the speed. The aerodynamics of The Tumbler only help with the down-force(stability), which creates drag. In a sense, it slows it down more, but since it has such a big engine(5.0 litre Vauxhall/GM engine capable of 500 horsepower), it can stay on the road through it's downforce(aerodynamic stability). So in other words, you can push the engine harder, without flailing around all over the road and crashing. That's the cost of aerodynamic stability, is that it creates downforce, which again, creates drag. Also, The Tumbler isn't a sleek design, and it's drag coefficient is horrible, because it's not a smooth design, which creates even more drag. Like I've already said, we were talking about 0-60 speeds, so I was talking about a sleek aerodynamic designs, which The Tumbler doesn't have.

That's why I'm so impressed with it, because it's huge and bulky, yet it can get to those speeds because of it's huge engine. If you put that engine on a sleeker car, it could go even faster. But like KalMart said, as long as the car can handle well, "a rally driver in a Lancer EVO would probably lose most cops in a city environment".

 

[KalMart]

Plus....it's a movie, after all.

 

[JAK®]

Plus....it's a movie, after all.

I love how this conversation has turned. An appeal for a more comic-like Batmobile was dismissed for not being 'realistic', someone says that The Tumbler isn't either, they say it is, they say it isn't, and then someone says it doesn't matter because it's just a movie.

 

[Travesty]

Plus....it's a movie, after all.

Yeah, I was about to put that at the end of my post, but I was just trying to clear some things up that we were originally talking about.

 

[Travesty]

I love how this conversation has turned. An appeal for a more comic-like Batmobile was dismissed for not being 'realistic', someone says that The Tumbler isn't either, they say it is, they say it isn't, and then someone says it doesn't matter because it's just a movie.

This is actually what bothers me about the Bat-suit discussions. Some people just want a more realistic suit, but for me, I don't care, I just want what looks better, because ya know, it's a movie.

Same with The Tumbler, but I like it, not because it's "realistic", I just like the way it looks.

 

[KalMart]

Well, 'realistic' has always been a bit of a misnomer in terms of describing these films. They're grounded in an a certain realistic/utilitarian sensibility...which makes them 'feel' more realistic than most comic-based movies, but they aren't actually realistic. For example, a cape/wing like Batman has simply won't allow a 160-180-lb-ish man to glide with the kind of control that Batman does in these movies....if it could, then hangliders wouldn't have to be the size they are.

So it's less about true 'realism', per se, and more about things being in line with the rationale of the story's approach. In this case...most of Batman's suit/gadgets are sourced from his company's military technology which we can associate with things in real use today...so it only stands to reason that his vehicle would follow suit, so to speak. Is the Tumbler realistic? Detail-for-detail, not really...but for all intents and purposes, it certainly feels realistic and sensible enough within the approach of the movie itself. Is it truly fast and aerodynamic...not compared to a Ferrari or Lambo, but for a vehicle of that type and its alleged capabilities, probably about as fast/aerodynamic as it can be....and certainly fast/capable enough compared to the rest of the vehicles/obstacles that he has to deal with in the story.