BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!)

[sportjames23]

I enjoyed the movie more on second viewing.

The future dream sequence made more sense to be and I was braced for the things I thought were stupid first time round. Also, on first viewing I thought the Doomsday fight was incomprehensible but I could make sense of it this time round (probably because I knew where to look to see what was going on).

On first viewing I enjoyed everything up to and including the warehouse fight but hated everything that followed but on second viewing I tolerated the second half more.

Will definitely buy the Ultimate version on blu ray.

I'll be buying the Ultimate version on Day One.

 

[bluearth]

Think I'm gonna have a third and final viewing next week. Anyone in the same boat?

Going this weekend for a third and final viewing as well

Somehow Im still hyped about seeing it again

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Going again tonight for third viewing.

This time with a group of work mates.

Interested to see what it's like seeing it with a group.

 

[BH/HHH]

Yep my third (was planned to be final but me and my mate have decided we are going to go one last time near the end of its run) time will be Sat. Seeing it with a skeptical mate (who doesn't like Superman but did like MOS) and my brother (who I think (hope) will love it cause he loves Batman).

 

[AnneFan]

I'm more of a Batman fan, but I want to say BvS cemented Superman as my second favourite hero. It made me love the character more than I already did.

 

[OutOfBoose]

AnneFan. Same for me. Cav-El became my number two super-hero. The stuff he pulls in Batman v Superman... I felt for the guy.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Going again tonight for third viewing.

This time with a group of work mates.

Interested to see what it's like seeing it with a group.

Tell us their impression. ) I'm going again this weekend.

 

[NeoRanger]

I'm more of a Batman fan, but I want to say BvS cemented Superman as my second favourite hero. It made me love the character more than I already did.

That's interesting. Can you elaborate on the why, what it was that worked for you?

 

[AnneFan]

That's interesting. Can you elaborate on the why, what it was that worked for you?

Because he's a good person but had such a hard time in the film. That made me feel for him. And also the ending contributed. My friend was also crying, and they're not the biggest Superman fan. They said the ending was unexpected and a kick in the guts. What hit me, and made me well up, was actually the newspaper report showing Clark had died. The film made me reflect on the character, almost putting me in his shoes. How he's not always appreciated and how he should be.

 

[NeoRanger]

Because he's a good person but had such a hard time in the film. That made me feel for him. And also the ending contributed. My friend was also crying, and they're not the biggest Superman fan. They said the ending was unexpected and a kick in the guts. What hit me, and made me well up, was actually the newspaper report showing Clark had died. The film made me reflect on the character, almost putting me in his shoes. How he's not always appreciated and how he should be.

What would you say are the personality traits of the character that make him worth appreciating from those around him?

Anybody else that wants to add to this, please do, it's very interesting to me to see exactly what it was about this Superman, in particular, that elevated him in your eyes.

 

[HELLilac]

Brings a smile to my face, haha.

WOW... Bright kid is bright...

Because he's a good person but had such a hard time in the film. That made me feel for him. And also the ending contributed. My friend was also crying, and they're not the biggest Superman fan. They said the ending was unexpected and a kick in the guts. What hit me, and made me well up, was actually the newspaper report showing Clark had died. The film made me reflect on the character, almost putting me in his shoes. How he's not always appreciated and how he should be.

My mum (non-comic book reader) cried too, so did a few people sitting around me.

The reason I didn't shed a tear was because I always acted tough and it'd be so out of character if I did.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Exactly.

 

[OutOfBoose]

What would you say are the personality traits of the character that make him worth appreciating from those around him?

Anybody else that wants to add to this, please do, it's very interesting to me to see exactly what it was about this Superman, in particular, that elevated him in your eyes.

He's just a normal guy - down to earth, caring, kind, willing and trying to do good. Huge contrast to his enormous powers and weight on his shoulders.

 

[DeadPresident]

Because he's a good person but had such a hard time in the film. That made me feel for him. And also the ending contributed. My friend was also crying, and they're not the biggest Superman fan. They said the ending was unexpected and a kick in the guts. What hit me, and made me well up, was actually the newspaper report showing Clark had died. The film made me reflect on the character, almost putting me in his shoes. How he's not always appreciated and how he should be.

Not as a direct response to your post but just touching on something kind of underpinning it, I think what you're describing is maybe why the GA are taking to this Superman in a way they might not have before. I've seen a lot of diehard Superman fans deplore how they've characterized Supes in MoS/BvS and I believe it's because they're used to the character being perfect and he's shown as a work in progress currently. What I hope they realize is that the depiction of Supes in MoS/BvS actually opens up the possibility that people who weren't Superman fans before to actually engage with the character. When he's the perfect, morally pure and infallible god-Supes that he's become through years of source material it doesn't give the average viewer much to engage with.

His current character arc of being an alien that doesn't have a purpose (MoS) to being a revered alien that's not unanimously supported (BvS - until the end) to (hopefully) the [blackout]resurrected[/blackout] hero that all of humanity is behind is far more appealing to most non-converted Superman fans than just going with "how we all know him". You can't ask a newcomer to appreciate Superman and all his complexities if you're not willing to show the complexities. Now, people can respond and tell me Snyder/Terrio/Goyer don't "get" Superman and have characterized him horribly, and that's a personal preference thing, but those people should at least acknowledge that they've given him an arc in one way or another and that it's actually resonating with a fair number of people.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Is it weird that I'm finding myself posting more and more negative comments in the other threads about Supes characterisation and the general direction they took with him from MOS to now ... but I still keep coming in here and agreeing with the good comments too?

 

[Tra-El]

Brings a smile to my face, haha.

4th viewing this Saturday t:

 

[Tra-El]

Is it weird that I'm finding myself posting more and more negative comments in the other threads about Supes characterisation and the general direction they took with him from MOS to now ... but I still keep coming in here and agreeing with the good comments too?

This just tells me it isn't over yet...and there's much more to do. Bring on the DCEU!

 

[matt47]

Is it weird that I'm finding myself posting more and more negative comments in the other threads about Supes characterisation and the general direction they took with him from MOS to now ... but I still keep coming in here and agreeing with the good comments too?

Nope. This movie has many a good thing and many a bad thing.

 

[DeadPresident]

What would you say are the personality traits of the character that make him worth appreciating from those around him?

Anybody else that wants to add to this, please do, it's very interesting to me to see exactly what it was about this Superman, in particular, that elevated him in your eyes.

I can't answer for anyone else, but IMO seeing a Superman that isn't invulnerable (physically or otherwise) makes the character worth relating to. Established fans have lots of gripes with ways in which he's been depicted "inaccurately", but I think that's the point - he's not the finished article yet, which I prefer because it means the outcome of everything going Superman's way isn't assured.

Something I always associate with the tone and narrative of the previous Superman films is I knew that things would work out perfectly in the end. It doesn't matter who died, what was at stake, what went wrong, Superman always had the answer and the ability. I can't care about a character if I know everything is always just going to be okay, if nothing is at stake there's no reason to care.

 

[NeoRanger]

Not as a direct response to your post but just touching on something kind of underpinning it, I think what you're describing is maybe why the GA are taking to this Superman in a way they might not have before. I've seen a lot of diehard Superman fans deplore how they've characterized Supes in MoS/BvS and I believe it's because they're used to the character being perfect and he's shown as a work in progress currently. What I hope they realize is that the depiction of Supes in MoS/BvS actually opens up the possibility that people who weren't Superman fans before to actually engage with the character. When he's the perfect, morally pure and infallible god-Supes that he's become through years of source material it doesn't give the average viewer much to engage with.

His current character arc of being an alien that doesn't have a purpose (MoS) to being a revered alien that's not unanimously supported (BvS - until the end) to (hopefully) the [blackout]resurrected[/blackout] hero that all of humanity is behind is far more appealing to most non-converted Superman fans than just going with "how we all know him". You can't ask a newcomer to appreciate Superman and all his complexities if you're not willing to show the complexities. Now, people can respond and tell me Snyder/Terrio/Goyer don't "get" Superman and have characterized him horribly, and that's a personal preference thing, but those people should at least acknowledge that they've given him an arc in one way or another and that it's actually resonating with a fair number of people.

That's why I'm asking, because I see a lot of conflicting opinions and it intrigues me. I'm an established fan, but I like this Superman, I don't have any real complaints about how he's presented, I don't see anything particularly objectionable about the character. The arc they're giving him is not antithetical to the established Superman in the comics.

Which is why this interests me. Because it's the same Superman I know, but approached from a different angle and it seems to connect with people who aren't fans like me, even though it alienates other people who are fans like me.

 

[morningmimosa]

My non-cbm friends loved Supes in BvS (as did I).

 

[HELLilac]

Is it weird that I'm finding myself posting more and more negative comments in the other threads about Supes characterisation and the general direction they took with him from MOS to now ... but I still keep coming in here and agreeing with the good comments too?

I've been doing the same actually..

"Yes yes yes" in one thread, "No no no" in another.

This movie's slowly making me a bipolar.

 

[AnneFan]

He's just a normal guy - down to earth, caring, kind, willing and trying to do good. Huge contrast to his enormous powers and weight on his shoulders.

Agreed. Supes is a grassroots hero, and I dig that. But he's also a symbol, as Lois points out. I think they're doing interesting things with the character. I don't see him as being disrespected at all.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

This just tells me it isn't over yet...and there's much more to do. Bring on the DCEU!

Nope. This movie has many a good thing and many a bad thing.

Phew! I was starting to feel like a hypocrite or something

Something I always associate with the tone and narrative of the previous Superman films is I knew that things would work out perfectly in the end. It doesn't matter who died, what was at stake, what went wrong, Superman always had the answer and the ability. I can't care about a character if I know everything is always just going to be okay, if nothing is at stake there's no reason to care.

See, even though I don't think it was ever that black and white, that's why I LOVE Superman.

The idea of Superman as this guy who would show up and the minute you saw him you new everything was going to be okay? That's my Superman.

I was really looking forward to the scene with the people on the roof in the flood. But there was something really off about that scene. The way he just lingered there, with them stretching out their arms in desperation. It was way more Dr Manhattan than Superman.

Superman would have swept them up in his arms immediately, gently settled them down somewhere safe, smiled at them in that powerful way he does and told them where okay now.

Similarly, when I need a break from how harsh the world can be, how dissapointing people can be, how dark things can go - I read/watch Superman, and he gives me this hope that there is always the potential for good in people... and that maybe everything is going to be okay.

He's the one consistent shining light in my life, my comfort food, my role model, my favourite fictional character to 'be around'.

 

[HELLilac]

What would you say are the personality traits of the character that make him worth appreciating from those around him?

Anybody else that wants to add to this, please do, it's very interesting to me to see exactly what it was about this Superman, in particular, that elevated him in your eyes.

After watching BvS, every time I think about Superman arc I have this part of the song "One of us" playing in my head.

'"What if God was one of us
Just a slob like one of us
Just a stranger on the bus
Trying to make His way home?

Just tryin' to make His way home
Back up to Heaven all alone"

Because I think the story makes such a larger than life figure so tragic and so human.