BvS New Positivity Thread (READ THE FIRST POST!)

[bluearth]

I cannot wait for the damn ultimate cut.

Just had me think of something

BvS would be an amazing film for my first 4K bluray experience. Hopefully 4k bluray player prices drop by then.

 

[Karelia]

Well just come back from my second viewing. First time was standard 2D - this time 3D IMAX.
So, first time I really enjoyed the movie – I guess like most, I was anticipating what the movie would be so much, that a lot of it washed over me.
On second viewing, you sit back relax and really enjoy the movie – and I can honestly say now that I love this movie. t:

The view of the battle of Metropolis from Bruce's point of view... wow that whole scene is stunning, and carries real emotional gravitas... the police horse wandering through the dust just seemed so powerful for some reason.
Also, this time I really felt Superman/Clark's despair at all the good he's trying to do going to ****. Also how embarrassed he looked in the scene in Mexico... the numb horror in the Senate hearing, and I felt sorry for him as Batman beat on him.
And as for Batman... pretty near perfection – Affleck's Bruce Wayne was sensational... his Batman was even better – his brutality is necessary for me, though personally don't want to see him killing... I think however, the fact that this Batman was losing his way was clear, as was the reasoning behind it... which made his redemption all the better.
Wonder Woman really was a wonder – Gal was stunning and mysterious throughout – only on second viewing did I realise that the "I've known a few women like you" was a nod to Batman's foes like Catwoman and Talia. The fighting as Wonder Woman was perfect
Lex was superb on second viewing too - Eisenberg's portrayal of an unhinged psychopath was subtely fantastic. The scene at the senate as Finch was going in was brilliant - he actually tells her what's gonna happen when he says "you're in the hot seat"... in fact those little clues and smart comments are littered throughout the movie... very clever stuff.
Supporting cast too was brilliant – Amy Adams is simply gorgeous. Laurence Fishburne was inspired casting as Perry... I did miss Steve Lombard though, and Alfred... well Irons nailed it... I wanted more of him.
The cameos were superb too - I was expecting great things from Aquaman as he had been everywhere in the pre-release merchandise, but Flash in the 'vision' looked incredible and hinted at the camerarderie to come when he said "Bruce" instead of Batman.

So I came out of the theatre really excited for Wonder Woman, really looking forward to Suicide Squad and really, really wanting to see more Batman, more Superman and the Justice league. I hope the studio don't bow to some of the garbage spouted on the internet and keep Zack Snyder at the helm... I feel these films will be truly appreciated in a few years.

I totally agree with you. The first time I saw it, I liked the movie a lot. Second time I came out loving it. I'm going to try and catch it one more time this sunday with a buddy who has yet to see it.

 

[AnneFan]

I'm seeing it again tomorrow - first time in about a week.

 

[Decepticonus]

Here's another interesting breakdown of the movie, in case you're interested!

Great stuff there!

 

[AnneFan]

I like the idea that Superman is rigid in his ideals, and he remains rigid in them. It's the world that is dark, and other people are changed by it. They become cruel, like Batman. But not Superman.

 

[macphisto96]

Haven't had the time to go over everything, but so glad to see others that love the film as I do. I've only had positive experiences seeing it with friends and family.

Each time (three so far) it becomes more compelling and moving. I've never had a film I've seen at that length where I never once over multiple viewings never even had a temptation to check a clock. And that includes some good movies, including The Dark Knight, a film I love.

This film just finds me absorbed and mesmerized every time.

I love the tumblr on Greek and Shakespearean tragedy. She put it in a way I could with a lot of work, but I felt the same way. This movie is a Classic - and in a very traditional sense. It is not modeled on what we're used to in the modern, so it's not what we expect.

I also love what Mark Hughes has had to say.

I had hoped to like the film. I never expected I would love it the way I do. I never thought I would come away overwhelmed and blown away. As amazing as The Dark Knight was and as much as it did challenge me and make me think, this film operated on another level for me.

I've enjoyed reading over other's thoughts and what has been shared. Despite the criticism, I can't help but smile when I think of BvS because I find it to be about the triumph of hope through cynicism and adversity - of choosing to break the cycle as Batman does and stepping into the light, no longer considering it to be a Beautiful Lie.

I said it a week ago and I say it again. Masterpiece. Stunning. Moving. Incredible.

 

[Sleiek]

Here's another interesting breakdown of the movie, in case you're interested!

Love it. Love the way these things work in Snyder's movies.

 

[jasontodd]

Well just come back from my second viewing. First time was standard 2D - this time 3D IMAX.
So, first time I really enjoyed the movie – I guess like most, I was anticipating what the movie would be so much, that a lot of it washed over me.
On second viewing, you sit back relax and really enjoy the movie – and I can honestly say now that I love this movie. t:

The view of the battle of Metropolis from Bruce's point of view... wow that whole scene is stunning, and carries real emotional gravitas... the police horse wandering through the dust just seemed so powerful for some reason.
Also, this time I really felt Superman/Clark's despair at all the good he's trying to do going to ****. Also how embarrassed he looked in the scene in Mexico... the numb horror in the Senate hearing, and I felt sorry for him as Batman beat on him.
And as for Batman... pretty near perfection – Affleck's Bruce Wayne was sensational... his Batman was even better – his brutality is necessary for me, though personally don't want to see him killing... I think however, the fact that this Batman was losing his way was clear, as was the reasoning behind it... which made his redemption all the better.
Wonder Woman really was a wonder – Gal was stunning and mysterious throughout – only on second viewing did I realise that the "I've known a few women like you" was a nod to Batman's foes like Catwoman and Talia. The fighting as Wonder Woman was perfect
Lex was superb on second viewing too - Eisenberg's portrayal of an unhinged psychopath was subtely fantastic. The scene at the senate as Finch was going in was brilliant - he actually tells her what's gonna happen when he says "you're in the hot seat"... in fact those little clues and smart comments are littered throughout the movie... very clever stuff.
Supporting cast too was brilliant – Amy Adams is simply gorgeous. Laurence Fishburne was inspired casting as Perry... I did miss Steve Lombard though, and Alfred... well Irons nailed it... I wanted more of him.
The cameos were superb too - I was expecting great things from Aquaman as he had been everywhere in the pre-release merchandise, but Flash in the 'vision' looked incredible and hinted at the camerarderie to come when he said "Bruce" instead of Batman.

So I came out of the theatre really excited for Wonder Woman, really looking forward to Suicide Squad and really, really wanting to see more Batman, more Superman and the Justice league. I hope the studio don't bow to some of the garbage spouted on the internet and keep Zack Snyder at the helm... I feel these films will be truly appreciated in a few years.

Extremely well said. I agree with every word said.

 

[WoodyROM]

I'm seeing it again tomorrow - first time in about a week.

I'm going Saturday. Seeing it in 70mm imax, I'm stoked

 

[AnneFan]

Saw this.

 

[DigificWriter]

I posted a full review of the film elsewhere, but wanted to come in here and say that I absolutely loved Henry Cavill as Superman, Ben Affleck as Batman, and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in this movie. For me, these three will forever own their respective roles to the point that it's going to be hard for anyone else to ever top them and what they brought to the table.

I also wanted to say that, from where I stand, this movie did for DC heroes and the DC universe in general what The Dark Knight did for Batman, representing a "redefining moment" and something that not only works incredibly well as a sequel, but also as a standalone movie on its own.

 

[The Shape]

For some reason, I hadn't made the association of the girl Bruce saves in Metropolis being an orphan. I mean, yes, I saw that her parents died, but for Bruce, it was literally like reliving Crime Alley on a grand scale. The same feeling of powerlessness he felt as a boy.

 

[WoodyROM]

For some reason, I hadn't made the association of the girl Bruce saves in Metropolis being an orphan. I mean, yes, I saw that her parents died, but for Bruce, it was literally like reliving Crime Alley on a grand scale. The same feeling of powerlessness he felt as a boy.

There are so many details to glean from each viewing, it has me really excited to see it again this weekend.

 

[Iceman]

Saw this.

Haha, BatFleck was awesome during it. Just chilling out watching the fight and looking genuinely surprised and 'oh ****' when Doomsday turns and looks at him. He got out damn fast!

 

[The Shape]

Haha, BatFleck was awesome during it. Just chilling out watching the fight and looking genuinely surprised and 'oh ****' when Doomsday turns and looks at him. He got out damn fast!

I imagine that while this Batman has seen some crazy **** in Gotham throughout his long 20 year career (Killer Croc), he had never seen or been apart of a fight like that in his life.

 

[MrsKent26]

Saw this.

Haha, that's pretty much how it was. Despite being an advocate of batman participating in JL battles, I found it fitting that he reacted that way to his first super-powered battle. The audience at my theater got a good laugh out of his "oh ****" comment when he was face to face with Doomsday.

For some reason, I hadn't made the association of the girl Bruce saves in Metropolis being an orphan. I mean, yes, I saw that her parents died, but for Bruce, it was literally like reliving Crime Alley on a grand scale. The same feeling of powerlessness he felt as a boy.

I noticed that too. That whole sequence was really quite haunting. Seeing it from Bruce's perspective really highlighted how helpless he and the rest of the humans there must have felt.

 

[bluearth]

Love it. Love the way these things work in Snyder's movies.

Thats one of Snyder's biggest strength and biggest weakness. People will go to town all day saying his movies are shallow with no depth - but the truth is the depth is there, theres loads of symbolism, nuanced character development etc etc. Its just that Snyder doesnt do a very good job of bringing it to the audience's attention. He has it just sort of out there and the viewer has to put it all together themselves. I dont know if this is intentional or not.

For example, the small controversy about why Zod wanted Lois on his ship with Kal. After that sequence Lois has a brief line where she says they looked inside her mind. If you didnt watch the film a couple of times you probably wouldnt be able to connect the dots right away.

Just another reason why alot of people are liking BvS more with repeat viewings.

Christopher Nolan is known for his extensive exposition, and I think thats one of the bigger reasons why hes such a hit with critics and the audience, and why Snyder is always a miss.

 

[sportjames23]

Saw this.

 

[rogbngp]

Thats one of Snyder's biggest strength and biggest weakness. People will go to town all day saying his movies are shallow with no depth - but the truth is the depth is there, theres loads of symbolism, nuanced character development etc etc. Its just that Snyder doesnt do a very good job of bringing it to the audience's attention. He has it just sort of out there and the viewer has to put it all together themselves. I dont know if this is intentional or not.

For example, the small controversy about why Zod wanted Lois on his ship with Kal. After that sequence Lois has a brief line where she says they looked inside her mind. If you didnt watch the film a couple of times you probably wouldnt be able to connect the dots right away.

Just another reason why alot of people are liking BvS more with repeat viewings.

Christopher Nolan is known for his extensive exposition, and I think thats one of the bigger reasons why hes such a hit with critics and the audience, and why Snyder is always a miss.

This is a matter of taste but it's one of the things that I actually love about Snyder films. His films show rather than tell, and in that sense they are more demanding. Many viewers have a low tolerance for that. I've just gotten around to watching some of the Collider videos and seeing Jon Schnepp apoplectic about lack of verbal exposition--and wanting what sounded like actually very crude ways of communicating things to the audience. He's clearly frustrated by what the movie demands of the viewer.

I love mining, sifting through, and excavating layers of meaning in a film, and to me BvS is absolutely chock-full of them.

The film has some substantial flow problems due to editing. But as Frosty Weintraub mentioned, he spoke with Snyder about it last year and as of six months ago it seems WB intended to release the 3 hour version. In a classic studio panic move they edited it down to 2.5 hours. I don't know yet what the additional 1/6 of the movie that was removed will do for it. But I will say now that I still enjoy the movie a heck of a lot even despite the fact that it is missing so much footage in the theater release. I expect the Ultimate cut will be even better.

 

[DeadPresident]

You can also bet your bottom dollar that if Snyder provided dialogue exposition for the visual aspects that viewers may have missed that Schnepp and the like's reaction would have been "I'm not stupid, Snyder! Show, don't tell!".

 

[Jaxon]

You can also bet your bottom dollar that if Snyder provided dialogue exposition for the visual aspects that viewers may have missed that Schnepp and the like's reaction would have been "I'm not stupid, Snyder! Show, don't tell!".

You watch Schnepp's AMC review of Man of Steel with John Campea a few hours after he watched it. He was p***ing all over it. Now he defends it to the end and gets everything Snyder was presenting.
Schnepp actually does want things in an expository manner. If you watch his documentary that's how he presents it himself.

Snyder tells the story in subtleties, and the GA miss a lot of it, but you get it all on subsequent viewings.

 

[BH/HHH]

I posted a full review of the film elsewhere, but wanted to come in here and say that I absolutely loved Henry Cavill as Superman, Ben Affleck as Batman, and Jesse Eisenberg as Lex Luthor in this movie. For me, these three will forever own their respective roles to the point that it's going to be hard for anyone else to ever top them and what they brought to the table.

I also wanted to say that, from where I stand, this movie did for DC heroes and the DC universe in general what The Dark Knight did for Batman, representing a "redefining moment" and something that not only works incredibly well as a sequel, but also as a standalone movie on its own.

I know you and I don't always see eye to eye but damn if we don't on this one

 

[craigaat]

Just had me think of something

BvS would be an amazing film for my first 4K bluray experience. Hopefully 4k bluray player prices drop by then.

It's only money!

 

[InspecktahDeck]

You can also bet your bottom dollar that if Snyder provided dialogue exposition for the visual aspects that viewers may have missed that Schnepp and the like's reaction would have been "I'm not stupid, Snyder! Show, don't tell!".

THIS. 100000000000%.

Christ, I see so many armchair critics repeat this "Show, don't tell" shtick and then they ask the silliest questions that only required paying the slightest attention to a story.

Snyder's not the best story teller but there's nothing in MoS or BvS that you can't understand on a first viewing if you pay attention.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

You know, I had this thought last night and it's stayed with me till this morning.

I like Cavill's Superman. He's not my old Superman, but he's a kindred spirit. He has the same intentions but man does he have it harder.

Last night's viewing I found myself crying in a lot more moments just because I felt quite deeply emotionally connected to him.

I might even go back and see if this new found affinity for this character changes my ability to enjoy MOS.