The Dark Knight Rises OFFICIAL: Batman in the Burgh - Part 10

[RedSkull]

Anita is correct. 290 is a reference to the number on the shot list. The w implies wideshot in the 16W. Notice the take number next to it.

 

[kvz5]

It's being explained to us now in chat...seems like Nolan may number his "scenes" by "shot" instead. How it's numbered on the shot list.

So "scene 290" is really "shot 290" on the shot list. Explains why the bank robbery in TDK could be "16W." Shot 16 on the shot list.

Now the question is...how many shots are there in a Nolan Batman movie?

Anyone up to the task of counting?

 

[RedSkull]

oops double post

 

[Anita18]

Anita is correct. 290 is a reference to the number on the shot list. The w implies wideshot in the 16W. Notice the take number next to it.

Well you should take the credit, O Wise One.

 

[chalnger86]

It's being explained to us now in chat...seems like Nolan may number his "scenes" by "shot" instead. How it's numbered on the shot list.

So "scene 290" is really "shot 290" on the shot list. Explains why the bank robbery in TDK could be "16W." Shot 16 on the shot list.

Now the question is...how many shots are there in a Nolan Batman movie?

So, they're not SCENE numbers, but SHOT numbers? That explains a lot and at the same time explains nothing about what part of the movie these scenes take place! That crafty fella!

 

[batbax]

So basically that means we have no idea wheee in the movie that scene takes place.

Edit oops beaten to it

 

[kvz5]

We're back to square one. Which is good I think.

 

[JustAGuy]

Anita is correct. 290 is a reference to the number on the shot list. The w implies wideshot in the 16W. Notice the take number next to it.

I am only speaking for myself but I have never even heard of, let alone seen a letter being used to describe the shot.

A letter is there to show camera angle within a shot.

One thing to realize here is you are looking at 2 different films.
The Dark Knight and the current one.
There are not necessarily using the same system.
I'm not saying they aren't, but the script supervisor usually works this technical system out with post. Is it the same scripty on this film as the last?

 

[chalnger86]

Anita (or RedSkull) what, in your professional opinion would the "j" mean after the scene (shot) number on the slate I saw at Heinz Field? It appeared to be a close up of the boy singing the national anthem. I think it was the first shot of the day.

 

[chalnger86]

Is it the same scripty on this film as the last?

According to IMdB, it is. Steve Gherke.

edit: He also worked on Inception and Memento and The Prestige. I think he's a go-to guy for CN.

 

[jazzmatik]

Anita (or RedSkull) what, in your professional opinion would the "j" mean after the scene (shot) number on the slate I saw at Heinz Field? It appeared to be a close up of the boy singing the national anthem. I think it was the first shot of the day.

I'm not Anita or RedSkull, but J for Joker is all I can come up with.

 

[chalnger86]

I'm not Anita or RedSkull, but J for Joker is all I can come up with.

Nice! My original thought was that it was the angle designator, but after thinking about it, I couldn't figure out how they could get 11 different angles of the boy singing when it was the first shot of the day. (And why would you NEED 11 different angles of one person standing behind a mic?)

 

[JustAGuy]

According to IMdB, it is. Steve Gherke.

edit: He also worked on Inception and Memento.

Doing a very quick search it seems that in those films photos of their slate
show the very standard US slate system. Scene starting at 1 rather than 101, letters for camera angles.

If this is indeed the case, then there is no mystery to any of this.
Scene 290 is scene 290. No doubt there are "scenes" that are extremely fast (not traditional scenes, but more like a few seconds on screen).

Either way I give up caring or worrying about it.

 

[lukey37]

If you read David Goyer's draft of Batman Begins there are 324 scenes listed in the screenplay.

Inception had 282 scenes listed in the screenplay.

There doesn't seem to be any TDK screenplay or BB shooting script online that had the scene numbers so that's the best I can do.

 

[the Wankstar]

Man of Steel got pushed back cause WB didnt want it getting overshadowed by The Hobbit and they needed a big summer movie for 2013, it has nothing to do with TDKR

 

[antsman41]

Bruce Wayne: Every riddle has a number in the question and they arrived at this order: 13, 1, 8, and 5.
Alfred Pennyworth: 13, 1, 8, and 5. What do they mean?
Bruce Wayne: Perhaps letters of the alphabet?
Alfred Pennyworth: Of course, 13 is M.
Bruce Wayne: 1 would be A, 8 would be H, and 5 would be E.
Alfred Pennyworth: M-A-H-E.
Bruce Wayne: Perhaps 1 and 8 are 18.
Alfred Pennyworth: 18 is R. M-R-E.
Bruce Wayne: How about Mr. E.?
Alfred Pennyworth: Mystery.
Bruce Wayne: And another name for mystery?
Alfred Pennyworth: Enigma.
Bruce Wayne: Mr. E. Nygma. Edward Nygma.

*all I've thought of, during my backreading of the last few pages...

 

[I Am The Knight]

Never gets old!

 

[film4life]

So Batman's shooting in Pittsburgh?

 

[the Wankstar]

So Batman's shooting in Pittsburgh?

 

[philranger]

Bruce Wayne: Every riddle has a number in the question and they arrived at this order: 13, 1, 8, and 5.
Alfred Pennyworth: 13, 1, 8, and 5. What do they mean?
Bruce Wayne: Perhaps letters of the alphabet?
Alfred Pennyworth: Of course, 13 is M.
Bruce Wayne: 1 would be A, 8 would be H, and 5 would be E.
Alfred Pennyworth: M-A-H-E.
Bruce Wayne: Perhaps 1 and 8 are 18.
Alfred Pennyworth: 18 is R. M-R-E.
Bruce Wayne: How about Mr. E.?
Alfred Pennyworth: Mystery.
Bruce Wayne: And another name for mystery?
Alfred Pennyworth: Enigma.
Bruce Wayne: Mr. E. Nygma. Edward Nygma.

*all I've thought of, during my backreading of the last few pages...

 

[philranger]

"You really are quite bright, sir, despite what people say."

 

[dark_b]

i am supirsed that you talked about 2 movies for so long. because i think that all the big movie sites would realese this scoop weeks ago. its impossible to hide that they would realese 2 batman movies. impossible to hide.

 

[MultipleJesuses]

It would be awesome if they released two movies so long as they were closeish together. It would give a lot more time for character development which I am all for. Its obviously not happening but it would be awesome.

 

[Carnotaur3]

You make a good point. It makes perfect sense based on coverage and whatnot. However, what confused me was that when they shot the National Anthem at Heinz Field, they only shot about two or three angles and the slate read 189j for one of the takes. I could not figure out their system either!

They may have two camera set up and the scenes are really 89 and 90. 1 is added to Camera A while 2 is added to Camera B. So it looks like 189j for Camera 1 and 289j for camera 2. This would only be done to differentiate between to the two camera shots but to identify both of them as the same shots and takes.

I've seen this done before.

It's being explained to us now in chat...seems like Nolan may number his "scenes" by "shot" instead. How it's numbered on the shot list.

So "scene 290" is really "shot 290" on the shot list. Explains why the bank robbery in TDK could be "16W." Shot 16 on the shot list.

Now the question is...how many shots are there in a Nolan Batman movie?

Setups are listed in the shot list and the setups (shots) are named after the scenes numbers.

So if you have five setups in a given scene, it'd be like this:

Scene 38

38: Master wide.
38a: Tilly OTS (Over the Shoulder) shot to Sam.
38b: MCU (Medium Close Up) of Sam.
38c: Sam OTS shot to Tilly.
38d: MCU of Tilly.

Notice how they are ordered... shoot wide, come in close, and shoot setups in same direction until absolutely necessary to change direction because it saves time.

The w implies wideshot in the 16W. Notice the take number next to it.

No, you're wrong. W just means that that is one of the setups in a given scene. 16 refers to the scene number and w refers to the shot. w would imply that they are on the 22nd shot (they don't do ' i ' because it looks like a 1 and could be construed as a j).

 

[ggghhh]

It's being explained to us now in chat...seems like Nolan may number his "scenes" by "shot" instead. How it's numbered on the shot list.

So "scene 290" is really "shot 290" on the shot list. Explains why the bank robbery in TDK could be "16W." Shot 16 on the shot list.

Now the question is...how many shots are there in a Nolan Batman movie?

The bank robbery has more than 16 shots, but you can easily see how it could be cut down into 16 short scenes when there's quite a few different locations in that sequence.
If the entire film carried on a that pace (unlikely) 290 would an hour into the film.