Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 15

[Boom]

Oh my God what is happening.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh my God what is happening.

A traveshamockery.

 

[Boom]

This is getting to be too much for me.

I can't even.

 

[Marvolo]

that is in reference to the rumours started on 4chan, these ones are different. For example the 4chan ones said the film has a prologue about saurons past, whereas the onering.net forum members spoilers say the film opens with smaug

Im still calling BS. There has been one screening and I have zero reason to belive members of theonering.net were invited to a private screening.

 

[Donut]

Victor Domashev is responsible for this ****

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Im still calling BS. There has been one screening and I have zero reason to belive members of theonering.net were invited to a private screening.

I am reading the info over there and apparently this person also had info on AUJ before its release and that info was extremely accurate. So maybe he shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Victor Domashev is responsible for this ****

 

[Marvolo]

I am reading the info over there and apparently this person also had info on AUJ before its release and that info was extremely accurate. So maybe he shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

Im pretty sure there were more advanced screenings for AUJ to show off the new 48fps. So him having info in advance for that movie doesnt lend credibility to his claims here. Jackson wouldnt have invited a poster on the forum before he invited the staff of the site and the staff would have mentioned going even if they werent allowed to talk about the film. So as of now I think we all need to just take this person's claims with an everest size grain of salt...for the sake of our stress levels if for no other reason.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Im pretty sure there were more advanced screenings for AUJ to show off the new 48fps. Jackson wouldnt have invited a poster on the forum before he invited the staff of the site and the staff would have mentioned going even if they werent allowed to talk about the film. So as of now I think we all need to just take this persons claims with an everest size grain of salt.

So a forum user is only a forum user? That is a bit bizarre no? Whatever the person does for a job might give them a source that is accurate. Also the poster apparently isn't a regular. Only showed up before AUJ and just reappeared. Maybe that is the reason.

 

[Vartha]

Victor Domashev is responsible for this ****

 

[Boom]

Victor Domashev is responsible for this ****

Damn you .

 

[Marvolo]

So a forum user is only a forum user? That is a bit bizarre no? Whatever the person does for a job might give them a source that is accurate. Also the poster apparently isn't a regular. Only showed up before AUJ and just reappeared. Maybe that is the reason.

No of course he isnt just a forum user, and I didnt mean it the way you read that. I just meant on those forums he is a nobody, and I have no reason to believe he went to a screening or got his info from a crew member. Jackson's crew dont seem like the type to go around leaking info to people. They probably discuss the films and their work with their spouses, but would a crew member's spouse be a TORN member? Idk maybe, but there's no way to be sure right now.

 

[Roose Bolton]

To be honest, many of the literary fantasy epics seem to be following the same trend, Wheel of Time is a series that is probably too long for film, The Dark Tower project is still facing difficulties, but there are now rumors of a Game of Thrones movie, hopefuly a new story set in that universe.

If you're willing to go outside simply literature, there is potential in other types of media, Berserk for example would be amazing to see done on the big screen, would love to see people's reaction when the eclipse part came in.

Berserk, at least the Golden Age, would be better suited for a multi-season HBO series. It'd allow for all the characterization that IMO is necessary for the Eclipse to be as powerful as it was. It's like the Red Wedding x1000, and I think it'd work better as a season 3 ender than maybe a 20 minute scene in a feature film.

 

[sueb1863]

Given PJ's track record, I can easily see everything the TORn poster said as being true.

 

[Lord]

Berserk, at least the Golden Age, would be better suited for a multi-season HBO series. It'd allow for all the characterization that IMO is necessary for the Eclipse to be as powerful as it was. It's like the Red Wedding x1000, and I think it'd work better as a season 3 ender than maybe a 20 minute scene in a feature film.

I think the main problem is budget, also, the structure of most arcs would be difficult for a tv, and while you would have to cut or change some things, i think it's more fitting of a movie's structure.

Golden Age would probably need in least 2 realy long films, possibly shot back-to-back like Red Cliff and Kill Bill. Things had to be changed for the Lord of the Rings movies, i don't think they would need to literaly adapt a panel for panel, that actualy didn't work so well for Watchmen.

With the Berserker armor, all those demons, etc i realy don't think tv would be the best medium to tell the story.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think the main problem is budget, also, the structure of most arcs would be difficult for a tv, and while you would have to cut or change some things, i think it's more fitting of a movie's structure.

Golden Age would probably need in least 2 realy long films, possibly shot back-to-back like Red Cliff and Kill Bill. Things had to be changed for the Lord of the Rings movies, i don't think they would need to literaly adapt a panel for panel, that actualy didn't work so well for Watchmen.

With the Berserker armor, all those demons, etc i realy don't think tv would be the best medium to tell the story.

Aside from the Eclipse itself, there isn't really anything in the Golden Age that hasn't already been done in Game of Thrones, budget wise. And a story like Berserk's, where causality, the nature between cause and effect, is a massive plot and thematic point, kind of requires an extra level of intimacy that would be lost in film. Especially in relation to the [blackout]Idea of Evil. [/blackout]

And as for the Apostles, GDT's the Strain has shown that there can be amazingly grotesque and well realized creature designs in the medium. And Game of Thrones has had a consistenly great level of creature CGI for the last few years now, so there's that to factor in as well. Plus, if you start chronologically, it isn't as supernatural and allows for the audience to slowly be eased into the world, again like GoT and it's use of the supernatural. If the series proved to be a hit then by the time they actually get to the Post-Eclipse stuff, then it'd likely have a budget increase as well.

Or ideally they'd do Ron Howard's proposed Dark Tower pitch with two-three seasons of prequel material to set up a trilogy of films, using the same cast.

 

[Lord]

Well, that is true, TV effects have been constantly improving, but i'm still not sure, Berserk has such an epic story that i'm not sure you can realise all that in just a tv show, while on the other hand, the themes are indeed difficult to pull off in just a series of movies.

The pacing is a problem though, you can do Golden age arc on tv, the beginning is also a bit more episodic, but the past 2 arcs have had various points where it's just big battles, and unlike with GoT, they're not battlefields where you can constantly change focus from different characters, in Berserk it's usualy just the main character having a solo fight with an apostle, which i think is more fitting for a movie.

Ron Howard's plans for Dark Tower would probably be the most fitting way to adapt Berserk.

 

[ares834]

I would kill to see movies of the Dark Materials trilogy that weren't dreadful.

Same. Such a great series.

 

[C. Lee]

I just wish Hard covers didn't cost so much.
I remember that 12 book set they put out when LotR was first announced and had to turn it down because of price.

I bought my hardbacks back in the 70's....I don't remember the price, but considering I didn't have much money back then the price must have been pretty good. I haven't even checked the price on new editions.

 

[Victarion]

I think either Michael Moorcock's Elric novels, Steven Erikson's Bauchelain and Korbal Borach novellas or Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos novels would work well on film. All three series are drastically different from Tolkien.

After GOT has finished, I wonder if studios will be jumping on Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn or Robin Hobb's Farseer trilogies. Both were inspirations for Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire.

 

[Octoberist]

I would kill to see movies of the Dark Materials trilogy that weren't dreadful.

Solomon Kane desperately needs a sequel.

The future of Conan hangs in the balance.

I always thought that The Golden Compass killed the fantasy movement. Actually, it killed two birds in one stone: Killed the young adult fantasy movies, and killed high fantasy in one swish.

I do feel bad for Dakota Blue Richards. Before the 'Well she gets to act for a living' crowd rushes in, The Golden Compass was SUPPOSE to be the highlight of her career, and would've made her into a household name.

 

[Octoberist]

Well, that is true, TV effects have been constantly improving, but i'm still not sure, Berserk has such an epic story that i'm not sure you can realise all that in just a tv show, while on the other hand, the themes are indeed difficult to pull off in just a series of movies.

The pacing is a problem though, you can do Golden age arc on tv, the beginning is also a bit more episodic, but the past 2 arcs have had various points where it's just big battles, and unlike with GoT, they're not battlefields where you can constantly change focus from different characters, in Berserk it's usualy just the main character having a solo fight with an apostle, which i think is more fitting for a movie.

Ron Howard's plans for Dark Tower would probably be the most fitting way to adapt Berserk.

Haha you can't win with adapting Berserk then!

 

[Lord]

Haha you can't win with adapting Berserk then!

Seems like it's tricky, but i would still risk and say that it could be done. Lord of the Rings was also considered impossible, and 10 years ago, a project like that of Game of Thrones would probably be considered too big for TV.

 

[Roose Bolton]

I think either Michael Moorcock's Elric novels, Steven Erikson's Bauchelain and Korbal Borach novellas or Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos novels would work well on film. All three series are drastically different from Tolkien.

After GOT has finished, I wonder if studios will be jumping on Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn or Robin Hobb's Farseer trilogies. Both were inspirations for Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire.

It's a travesty that Elric hasn't been done on screen.

 

[Vartha]

I bought my hardbacks back in the 70's....I don't remember the price, but considering I didn't have much money back then the price must have been pretty good. I haven't even checked the price on new editions.

I forgot to check at Barnes and Noble today, was too busy getting my daughter the four book Divergent set and a Agent Coulson pop bobble head. lol
They did have all the sets from before tho. a couple versions of the Hobbit and Lotr book sets didn't see that 12 book set tho