Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 8

[Marvolo]

Yeah Thorin starts out very cold but he gets a little better by the end. He was my favorite of the movie though the ending with Azog was embarassingly terrible.

Lol it was like a boxer entering the ring to his theme music and then BAM goes down after the first hit. It was even worse considering how badass he was in the flashback, but I guess he wasnt in the best mindset when he decided to take on a warg and its roided up rider. Still cant figure out why they didnt have him kill Azog. It would have been such a badass ending. Its really weird too because Azog specifically says "He is mine." But then he doesnt go after Thorin. Idk I think they changed Azog's fate when they expanded this to three films.

I cant wait for the Extended Edition commentaries and documentaries. I wanna know what went on during this films production and why they did the things they did.

 

[jacobed]

Lol it was like a boxer entering the ring to his theme music and then BAM goes down after the first hit. It was even worse considering how badass he was in the flashback, but I guess he wasnt in the best mindset when he decided to take on a warg and its roided up rider. Still cant figure out why they didnt have him kill Azog. It would have been such a badass ending. Its really weird too because Azog specifically says "He is mine." But then he doesnt go after Thorin. Idk I think they changed Azog's fate when they expanded this to three films.

I cant wait for the Extended Edition commentaries and documentaries. I wanna know what went on during this films production and why they did the things they did.

My problem with it was first off why even get off the tree, secondly its so obvious that Azog would charge with his warg, I mean even Bilbo knew to just stick his sword up to stop the Warg. He doesn't even swing it, Thorin puts up absolutely no fight. Don't even get me started how awful of a plot device the eagles are and no the excuse their intelligent beings does not work. The movie should have ended with Bilbo's little speech about helping them get home that we've heard in the tv spots. Ugh just terrible way to end it. Oh and the cg for Azog, wow it was bad. my god he looked like the main baddie from I Am Legend. Worst part was that he was very humanistic so why the hell wouldnt you just make him a guy in prosthetics.

 

[Marvolo]

My problem with it was first off why even get off the tree, secondly its so obvious that Azog would charge with his warg, I mean even Bilbo knew to just stick his sword up to stop the Warg. He doesn't even swing it, Thorin puts up absolutely no fight. Don't even get me started how awful of a plot device the eagles are and no the excuse their intelligent beings does not work. The movie should have ended with Bilbo's little speech about helping them get home that we've heard in the tv spots. Ugh just terrible way to end it

Im guessing Thorin went into the fight with rage and close mindedness so that is why he lost and when he fights azog again he will learn from the first ass beating and fight like he has some ****ing sense.

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[DoomsdayApex]

Thorin beating Azog in his first encounter was under different circumstances, in my honest opinion. Thorin had just watched his father get beheaded, and Azog probably [severely] underestimated Thorin in the process. In their rematch however, he was clearly overmatched. This much was on display. Thorin had remained in denial about Azog's status and it showed throughout his facial expressions whenever his name was brought up. In addition, Azog was on top of a Warg. That gave The Defiler a significant advantage.

 

[jacobed]

If he had swung his sword once, I would have been fine but no. He stands there and let's the warg attack him. It's so painfully obvious that is what is going to happen, just stick your sword straight in the air and boom Warg is dead ugh its embarrassingly bad

 

[Marvolo]

If he had swung his sword once, I would have been fine but no. He stands there and let's the warg attack him. It's so painfully obvious that is what is going to happen, just stick your sword straight in the air and boom Warg is dead ugh its embarrassingly bad

And multiple times throughout the movie we see Thorin kills wargs. He is good at it, but you can tell when he is going into the fight he is doing it with the wrong mindset hence his ass beating. I think it was intended for Thorin to get his his ass handed to him because he has been riding Bilbo all movie and been a bit of a pompous ass and he was in denial abount Azog. This fight had to bring the leader down low so he can rise ip and be the leader the dwarves need him to be. A confidant wise leader who doesnt just charge headlong into battle. Yeah, it is embarassing to see a character get his ass handed to him, but it is necessary for his character arc. Tho, I still think the melodrama in the fight was too much.

He lost his shield. Does that happen in the book?

 

[jacobed]

I have no problem him losing, its just how embarassingly bad the scene that lead to him losing

 

[Marvolo]

I have no problem him losing, its just how embarassingly bad the scene that lead to him losing

Lol I want that scene of him walking through the burning trees with Eye of the Tiger playing.

 

[Kane52630]

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[Drz]

That can't be Bolg since he gets killed in the Moria battle, unless he has an identical twin. :b

 

[CGHulk]

That can't be Bolg since he gets killed in the Moria battle, unless he has an identical twin. :b

Bolg did not die in the Battle of Moria. He was killed by Beorn in the Battle of the Five Armies at the end of The Hobbit.

My reaction after seeing the first Hobbit movie, and ready for the next one.

 

[Drz]

They are changing Orc death continuity. Azog and Bolg didn't get killed.

Are you trying to refer to the books or an attempt at a joke? The Orc thats suppose to be Bolg gets killed by Dwalin.

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Bolg hasn't been introduced yet, he is the son of Azog.

In the books Bolg is defeated by Beorn at the Battle of the Five Armies. Azog died in the battle that we saw the Battle of Azanulbizar, in the books it was Dain who killed Azog avenging his brother Nain's death. Jackson has adapted this by having Thorin be the one who 'killed' Azog at Azanulbizar. I thought that the change from the books was well done especially how it was referenced with Thorin thinking Azog died due to his wounds.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have no problem him losing, its just how embarassingly bad the scene that lead to him losing

With both jacobed and Marvolo on this one. It was clear Thorin was spooked and I think the scene's purpose was a great one. But as jacobed point out, the execution was pretty bad.

The Bilbo save saved it however.

Ah I see, Conan Stevens is playing Bolg and Manu Bennett is Azog. Cool.

What I think happened is Stevens was going to play both. The father and the son and thus the similarities would have been apparent. Hints that the pale orc still lived only for it to be his son.

But somewhere along the way they changed that and decided to switch it up. Apparently at least 3 people were cast as Azog at different times.

That can't be Bolg since he gets killed in the Moria battle, unless he has an identical twin. :b

Info coming out says he is in Dol Guldur now, so I think he is very much alive.

 

[Drz]

Info coming out says he is in Dol Guldur now, so I think he is very much alive.

That promo picture is from Don Guldur, but doesn't change the fact there is/was an identical looking Orc right at the Moria battle conquest, thats why it's confusing for me. People who are going for their 2nd viewing can keep an close eye to the Orcs and Dwarves, there are plenty of cool designs out there to be seen.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That promo picture is from Don Guldur, but doesn't change the fact there is/was an identical looking Orc right at the Moria battle conquest, thats why it's confusing for me. People who are going for their 2nd viewing can keep an close eye to the Orcs and Dwarves, there are plenty of cool designs out there to be seen.

I saw the one that looked similar. Was probably the original Azog.

 

[Zanham]

People complaining about this movie are leaning to heavily on it. You're not supposed to lean on movies, books, video games, and other such things to the point that you can cite out and complain about every damn specific detail that the people who made it didn't even know about. I mean, how much a damn free loading piece of crap are you trolls? Probably just a bunch of idiots with delusions of their selves or their daddies being mighty lumberjacks and their mommies being the most beautiful woman in the whole world.


There's nothing wrong with this movie and that makes it at least a 7 of 10, by my logic that 7-10 means it has no really noticeable flaws. Personally, I'd go so far to say that it is, at least, an 8 of 10 because it managed to not anger me one bit for nearly three hours. In my book, that is quite an accomplishment for a movie when you consider I can watch watch a 30 minute episode with a 19 minute run-time of almost any show on television and want to never watch it again afterwards due to a personal offense against me.

So, if someone want's to complain because this movie didn't offend them enough then perhaps we should all collectively offend them right off the face of the planet.

 

[747]

People complaining about this movie are leaning to heavily on it. You're not supposed to lean on movies, books, video games, and other such things to the point that you can cite out and complain about every damn specific detail that the people who made it didn't even know about. I mean, how much a damn free loading piece of crap are you trolls? Probably just a bunch of idiots with delusions of their selves or their daddies being mighty lumberjacks and their mommies being the most beautiful woman in the whole world.


There's nothing wrong with this movie and that makes it at least a 7 of 10, by my logic that 7-10 means it has no really noticeable flaws. Personally, I'd go so far to say that it is, at least, an 8 of 10 because it managed to not anger me one bit for nearly three hours. In my book, that is quite an accomplishment for a movie when you consider I can watch watch a 30 minute episode with a 19 minute run-time of almost any show on television and want to never watch it again afterwards due to a personal offense against me.

So, if someone want's to complain because this movie didn't offend them enough then perhaps we should all collectively offend them right off the face of the planet.

wut.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

People complaining about this movie are leaning to heavily on it. You're not supposed to lean on movies, books, video games, and other such things to the point that you can cite out and complain about every damn specific detail that the people who made it didn't even know about. I mean, how much a damn free loading piece of crap are you trolls? Probably just a bunch of idiots with delusions of their selves or their daddies being mighty lumberjacks and their mommies being the most beautiful woman in the whole world.


There's nothing wrong with this movie and that makes it at least a 7 of 10, by my logic that 7-10 means it has no really noticeable flaws. Personally, I'd go so far to say that it is, at least, an 8 of 10 because it managed to not anger me one bit for nearly three hours. In my book, that is quite an accomplishment for a movie when you consider I can watch watch a 30 minute episode with a 19 minute run-time of almost any show on television and want to never watch it again afterwards due to a personal offense against me.

So, if someone want's to complain because this movie didn't offend them enough then perhaps we should all collectively offend them right off the face of the planet.

When you mentioned trolls, were you talking about yourself?

 

[DaveMoral]

I think I liked it more than you did , but yeah I agree for the most part. I thought Thorin was kinda a jerk actually , and not as likeable as Gimili , Aragon or even Boromeir in the FOTR. I guess his character is suppose to be kinda the gruff one ,but he just didn't really make my warm him though I admit he is a badass. I didn't like the songs , and the bird crap wizard was a bit much.

However my audience applauded at the end so , im in the minority. It was nice though to see Blancett, Weaving, Lee, and Gollum again . But man was that original trilogy something special...

Thorin is a prick from the beginning, starts loving Bilbo again, and then becomes a prick all over again in the book. How is this a valid criticism of the character in the movie when it comes straight from Tolkein?

Bofur, Balin, Fili, Kili and the others more than make up for Thorin being a dick.

 

[Dugath]

We (me the the woman) saw the 48 FPS last night.

Not sure what to say.. it was.. different, 40 years of 24 Frames for me.

It was like I was watching a "play".
The woman compared it to a cheap British show.

It just did not seem professional, Like a low budget show. I know that is because I am comparing it what I have been used to for the last 40 years.

I think for the most part it ruined the experience for me because it was take me out of the moment.. and I would be thinking to myself about how it looks and not just enjoy the movie.

Not sure if this will catch on, people do not like change of that extent I believe. Even I would prefer 24 frames, it is what I am used to, it is what my brain says "this is movie quality".

I can not say much for the movie itself as it would be unfair since the 48 frames would affect what I would have to say.

 

[Quasimod0]

That promo picture is from Don Guldur, but doesn't change the fact there is/was an identical looking Orc right at the Moria battle conquest, thats why it's confusing for me. People who are going for their 2nd viewing can keep an close eye to the Orcs and Dwarves, there are plenty of cool designs out there to be seen.

I saw what you saw. Looked just like bolg

 

[bullets]

When the eagles dropped them off atop that cliff my father leaned over and asked "If the mountain is right there why cant the eagles just take them their and avoid all that BS ahead?" He was kind of joking, but it raises the conundrum for non book readers and once again Jackson doesnt address it. Would have been simple to hang a lantern on it by having Bilbo ask why the eagles couldn just take them to the Lonely Mountain. Gandalf could have said they are not beasts of burden or some such thing. As it stands it looks like the eagles just dropped them off there so we could have another two films. I know in the books the eagles dont do it, but in these films its harder to justify the eagles dropping them off so close to the Lonely Mountain in sight of the bloody thing and not explain why they didnt just fly them that final small stretch.

I figured the eagles were just flying them to safety.

 

[scifiwolf]

Gave it a 6. The movie just dragged for me. I don't mind that I saw essentially an extended cut, but I'd much rather watch that at home after having seen the theatrical a few times. I sincerely hope Warner reigns Peter in on the next two. He's lost all self control when it comes to wearing the big-boy editing pants.

I thought the 3D was fantastic. My only complaint was the physical presence of the glasses after 3 hours, but I didn't really have any eye strain.

The acting was serviceable. I'd like to see more from Thorin besides glaring and bellowing. The highlight was certainly Riddles in the Dark. Phenomenally directed and acted. If the movie had been only that, I'd be happy.

I'm thrilled I went and saw it. I understand the challenge to coming back after a decade to this world is a difficult task for the filmmakers. Andy Serkis touched on this when discussing Gollum, that he had to not do an impression of others doing impressions of him. I imagine that applies to every aspect of familiarity in this new trilogy. Replicating the lightning-in-a-bottle of The Lord of the Rings is impossible. I think the potential is still there in the remaining films, but this one missed the mark. Though it only missed by a near-infinitesimal amount, it makes a big difference.

That being said, it's good to have Middle Earth in the theaters at Christmas once again.

 

[HowardStark]

I figured the eagles were just flying them to safety.

People forget this question was answered during the LOTR days. The Eagles are not pets and do things for there own reasons. In the case of the Hobbit they are saving the day more then in LOTR mostly do to the fact I think Saurons powers effect them somewhat to gathering no more then a couple at a time.