Official The Ultimates Thread

[deemar325]

Some times I think these kind of stories are what these liberal leftist writers want to happen to the U.S.

Look at how this whole storyline has us turned into bad guys!! America the villain!! And you know that this whole thing is Millar's take on Iraq. Know doubt the Muslim terrorist dude is video taping the Lady Liberty fall. Great Satan indeed. They're the ones who blow up their own kids.


I also called it right. The Widow was the traitor.

You have me conflicted.

 

[The Question]

Oh nevermind you're right...its not the Americans have done with your country...its to your country

I think it's the Arabian Knight (althou PCified up the wazoo). AK carried a sword (the red guy has a lightsaber), and people have said that the red guy looks like he could be middle eastern.

Some times I think these kind of stories are what these liberal leftist writers want to happen to the U.S.

Look at how this whole storyline has us turned into bad guys!! America the villain!! And you know that this whole thing is Millar's take on Iraq. Know doubt the Muslim terrorist dude is video taping the Lady Liberty fall. Great Satan indeed. They're the ones who blow up their own kids.


I also called it right. The Widow was the traitor.

Dude. Think about it. America has invaded two countries in the past five years, destroyd their governments, and turned them into our own versions of them. Yes, they had ******* leaders. But who are we to just barge into other countries and tell them what's best? Also, we've pretty much made ourselves in charge of the U.N., and when they do tell us not to do something we tell them to piss of and we do it anyway.

As for "they're the ones who blow up their own kids", the U.S. has sent 18 year old kids in the middle east to die for oil.

Now, I'm not trying to be a "liberal leftist", as you put it (I tend to consider myself a centrist), but there is some serious bull**** going on with our government right now. It really wouldn't surprise me if other countries saw America as the new roman empire.

And the "they're the ones who blow up their own kids" comment wasn't cool. Try to be a little more sensative.

 

[deemar325]

I think it's the Arabian Knight (althou PCified up the wazoo). AK carried a sword (the red guy has a lightsaber), and people have said that the red guy looks like he could be middle eastern.




Dude. Think about it. America has invaded two countries in the past five years, destroyd their governments, and turned them into our own versions of them. Yes, they had ******* leaders. But who are we to just barge into other countries and tell them what's best? Also, we've pretty much made ourselves in charge of the U.N., and when they do tell us not to do something we tell them to piss of and we do it anyway.

As for "they're the ones who blow up their own kids", the U.S. has sent 18 year old kids in the middle east to die for oil.

Now, I'm not trying to be a "liberal leftist", as you put it (I tend to consider myself a centrist), but there is some serious bull**** going on with our government right now. It really wouldn't surprise me if other countries saw America as the new roman empire.

And the "they're the ones who blow up their own kids" comment wasn't cool. Try to be a little more sensative.

See now I am so with you. A lot of my friends and fellow soldiers didn't make it back. I can name (10) guys right off the back who are no longer with us.

 

[The Question]

See now I am so with you. A lot of my friends and fellow soldiers didn't make it back. I can name (10) guys right off the back who are no longer with us.

Sorry to hear, man. My personal veiw is that if your going to send soldiers into a state of mortal danger, it better be for something better than getting more oil and fake WMD threats even though weather or not other countries have WMDs shouldn't be any of our buisness. Seriously, I hope you guys get back here soon.

 

[deemar325]

Sorry to hear, man. My personal veiw is that if your going to send soldiers into a state of mortal danger, it better be for something better than getting more oil and fake WMD threats even though weather or not other countries have WMDs shouldn't be any of our buisness. Seriously, I hope you guys get back here soon.

Thank you but I'm home now Question, and I'll let my guys know you wish them well. Man I can tell you some crazy @$$ stories whew! I'm serious.

 

[GNR]

In another thread...

I don't mind the politics Millar includes in the comics,they make for an interesting read and almost gives the reader a sense of awareness even though it's just a comic.It's amazing how so many people are getting into political arguments when this title gets mentioned,personally I think it's great.I'm not one to follow politics,however I don't see Millar's inclusion of such themes as overboard or too political.He makes the reader think and relate to today's world.It's not just baddies getting smashed and blown up,these characters get some real depth thanks to the great characterization this book has.It's amazing how people bash this book because they think everyone in it has major issues,is a pompous jackass,or is simply messed in the head.Millar certainly has a knack for writing large and complicated personalities,and I only think this adds to the book giving it a reflection of today's society.This is hardly propaganda,I see it as Millar's way of shaking up the readers' minds giving us something more than a basic "good guy VS bad guy Whedon story" and making us say "Wow,could you imagine?" or "What if?".Yes I said it,Whedon.(Awaits Whedon-Wagoners to flame on)



Issue 9 was a shocker in which the revelation of the traitor simply took the back seat to everything else which went down.Kudos Mr.Millar.



As for Vol.3?Loeb and JoeMad have some Giant shoes to fill,and after reading this,they're going to have to pull out something good because this is going to be hard to top.Not too excited about Joe Mad doing the art.This is like Van Halen making the switch from Dave to Sammy,fans will be divided.

 

[The Question]

Good post, GNRL. I myself am a Whedon fan, but I'll be the first to admit that many of his stories are rather good VS evil (although there have been a some stories of his with some moral ambiguity).

Thank you but I'm home now Question, and I'll let my guys know you wish them well. Man I can tell you some crazy @$$ stories whew! I'm serious.

Well, I wish well for your friends. I an only imagine what kind of stuff you and they went through.

 

[GNR]

I think it's the Arabian Knight (althou PCified up the wazoo). AK carried a sword (the red guy has a lightsaber), and people have said that the red guy looks like he could be middle eastern.




Dude. Think about it. America has invaded two countries in the past five years, destroyd their governments, and turned them into our own versions of them. Yes, they had ******* leaders. But who are we to just barge into other countries and tell them what's best? Also, we've pretty much made ourselves in charge of the U.N., and when they do tell us not to do something we tell them to piss of and we do it anyway.

As for "they're the ones who blow up their own kids", the U.S. has sent 18 year old kids in the middle east to die for oil.

Now, I'm not trying to be a "liberal leftist", as you put it (I tend to consider myself a centrist), but there is some serious bull**** going on with our government right now. It really wouldn't surprise me if other countries saw America as the new roman empire.

And the "they're the ones who blow up their own kids" comment wasn't cool. Try to be a little more sensative.

Nailed it.

 

[The Question]

Nailed it.

Thanks.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Making strong political stances. Great thematic overtones...intense realism...great action. Ultimates is a revitalization of what made comics great. I hope more writers follow a similar path.

 

[Caliber]

Making strong political stances. Great thematic overtones...intense realism...great action. Ultimates is a revitalization of what made comics great. I hope more writers follow a similar path.

Thats why Loeb taking over scares me. I don't want him to change anything about the Ultimates.

 

[GNR]

Thats why Loeb taking over scares me. I don't want him to change anything about the Ultimates.

Same with Joe Mad.

 

[The Question]

Well, we all know that few writers in the buisness can out do Mark Millar in terms of political satire. However, Loeb should be able to bring in a slightky mnore actiony classic feel. And, he has been talking with Millar about his ideas, so at least he's aproaching this with Millar's consent.

 

[Chase]

I'm gonna post because Vol1 was got me into comics (slightly late at 16) so now, 2 years on I still love and adore the Ultimates.

I read the whole vol2 run last night and noticed some really good foreshadowing techniques etc

We all know loki is in the background of some scenes (Restaurant,nightclub) and a great job to Hitch because he looks mischevous and creepy and evil.

But in the annual - Fury makes a mention that captain America dying would be like 'Lady liberty tumbling down'.

About the political stance, I'm fine for writers to present their viewpoint even if I don't agree with it but only if it contributes to a good book and doesnt overshadow or destroy characters and scenes. With the Ultimates being realistic nd modern day its perfect, and those scenes of Cap in Iraq really set the pace.

About Fury losing an arm - it just looked as if that enemy soldier pushed him and it detached. Just abit weird.

 

[Killgore]

That's only because Marvel, let Hitch finish at least (6) issues before relaunching Ultimates2, and the guy still is behind! Yeah he is ultra detailed with his art but come-on they basically gave this guy a friggin Year! to finish his work! Marvel is not known for there generosity with allowing artists to be ahead of schedule. So I see it as either he had personal Issues to deal with or B.Hitch has no discipline, could be both.

Dude, unless you're a working artist in the industry, it's best not to flap your uniformed lips, or more appropriately, tap your uninformed fingers. Besides, I'd rather a late Hitch than an on-time Bagley.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Dude, unless you're a working artist in the industry, it's best not to flap your uniformed lips, or more appropriately, tap your uninformed fingers. Besides, I'd rather a late Hitch than an on-time Bagley.

Biggest BS line I've heard here in awhile.

NONE of us work in the industry and ALL of us have the right to critique anything we damn well please.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Biggest BS line I've heard here in awhile.

NONE of us work in the industry and ALL of us have the right to critique anything we damn well please.

Being good does not excuse late work period

 

[Killgore]

Biggest BS line I've heard here in awhile.

NONE of us work in the industry and ALL of us have the right to critique anything we damn well please.

I wouldn't be so sure of that...

As far as having the right to critique, I'm not about to criticize your job performance unless I'm willing to prove that I can flip a better burger.

 

[The Question]

Being good does not excuse late work period

I don't mind too much. Ultimates isn't TOO late. At least, not that I've noticed.

 

[squeekness]

Well, I just read issue #9 and it's safe to say I never saw this one coming. Of all the possible traitors I didn't even think Black Widow. I was just bummed that Jarvis bought it. I kinda liked him. Excellent issue.

 

[demento]

I wouldn't be so sure of that...

As far as having the right to critique, I'm not about to criticize your job performance unless I'm willing to prove that I can flip a better burger.

Zing!

 

[Doc Destruction]

Oh please. A fifth grader zinging me hardly hurts my feelings.

And if I sucked at my job, my manager would be all over my ass NOT to suck at it, or I'd be fired. Marvel hasn't controlled the reigns on their talent since Joey Q took over.

Zing. Whatever.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Being good does not excuse late work period

AMEN.

 

[demento]

You know what's worse than Hitch being late getting his boards in? I'll tell you: Jackoffs endlessly pissing and moaning about it. Get over it already.

 

[celldog]

I think it's the Arabian Knight (althou PCified up the wazoo). AK carried a sword (the red guy has a lightsaber), and people have said that the red guy looks like he could be middle eastern.




Dude. Think about it. America has invaded two countries in the past five years, destroyd their governments, and turned them into our own versions of them. Yes, they had ******* leaders.


Remember 911??? Do you??? That's why we invaded Afgahnistan!! Good grief!! Iraq's invasion was for the WMD. Did they find it? No. Does that mean they never had it? NO! Did every government on the planet believe they had them?? YES!!
Do you like living the way you live?? Do like being able to worship your own way? Drive up to your nice home or apartment? Just have a friggin cook-out if you want??? Things we take for granted. It is arrogance to think that those people over there don't want the same things that you do!! Liberty and freedom!! How would you like to throw into a wood shredder if you lost a soccer game? That happened in Iraq! We've uncovered 3 mass graves!! How would you like your daughter or wife picked out of a crowd while at a soccer game for Saddam's sons to rape?? News Flash!! FREEDOM IS NOT FREE! tHE TALIBAN WOULD BEAT DOWN HELPLESS WOMEN! Those women can vote and go to school now in Afghanistan!! Iraq's economy is growing! Sewers and clean water are being put in places that Saddam let rot!! Marsh lands that Saddam destroyed have been restored so that those people can live there again.
But who are we to just barge into other countries and tell them what's best? Also, we've pretty much made ourselves in charge of the U.N., and when they do tell us not to do something we tell them to piss of and we do it anyway.

As for "they're the ones who blow up their own kids", the U.S. has sent 18 year old kids in the middle east to die for oil.

Those were men and women who "volunteered" to serve! Not brain washed 9-year-olds schooled by mad Islamo whack jobs.

Gas prices are still sky high! What friggin' oil????
If you think we don't need oil, don't drive that car...don't ride that bus..



Now, I'm not trying to be a "liberal leftist", as you put it (I tend to consider myself a centrist), but there is some serious bull**** going on with our government right now. It really wouldn't surprise me if other countries saw America as the new roman empire.

[B]If you truly knew your history you'd never equate this country with Roman. See anybody thrown into any colesiums lately?? America has liberated the friggin' world on too many occasions just so people like you can have short memories and enjoy the freedoms that our military provides. [/B]

And the "they're the ones who blow up their own kids" comment wasn't cool. Try to be a little more sensative.

When they stop...I'll stop.