Person Of Interest - Part 3

That's... interesting. Most fans and critics seem to agree that the series got better as it went, except for how some feel about the last four episodes. Seasons 3 through 5 were truly spectacular television. Not convoluted at all, IMO. I don't think it deviated for the original premise (there were always Numbers), it just was a natural progression. The Machine went from a cool plot device with potential to an actual character.

As much as I like the overall arc and flashbacks in the first two seasons, the procedurals were just so... ordinary? "He isn't the perp... he's the victim!" Why do that when Greer could be monologue about titans, or have Analog Interfaces conversing? The Samaritan arc made the show out from anything on TV. It gave it it's true identity and what makes it a sci-fi classic.

I liked that, everything about the Machine was top notch up right until the end. That's one of the things I liked about seasons 4-5. i
The generic 'action' element that populated each episode, where people got shot in the legs, the main characters are always alright, there are no stakes, it was always the same thing all over again. That's what really hurt the show. For me, anyway. That music in the background and people shooting more people with horrible aim, all those anonymous Samaritan operatives were very weak.
Is like... all the most interesting stuff happens 'virtually', and when they had to translate that into characters and action, it didn't quite work.
 
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You don't think those are valid criticisms?
I'm not sure how you even made it through the first 3 seasons since the elements/criticisms you're talking about were there as well. It almost seems you didn't like how serialized the show became during the Samaritan storyline and how they were building up to the final fight against an enemy that became such an overpowering force. With what you wanted for the show, it's like you wanted the show to be like Elementary in that it's a purely detective-like show with very few action-y scenes or elements.
 
What's odd is that you keep insisting on what I should or shouldn't have liked about the show. Maybe is because english isn't my native language that I'm not explaining myself correctly. All I'm saying is that I like serialized storytelling, I just didn't like the route they went with it.
 
Now i have to wait until s5 is on Netflix. :(
 
I finally finished this final season and it was beautiful. There were moments that teared me up and by the end. I just had a smile on my face seeing Finch have a happy ending as well as Shaw in a way. I'm gonna miss seeing new episodes but this was a good way to go.

It's truly amazing what they were able pull off on CBS no less. It starts like some kind of procedural but ends as one of the best scifi shows In recent memory.
 
Finished watching S04... That finale when the Machine refers to Harold as a father... :csad:

I'll binge-watch S05 this weekend.
 
They did the right thing. They ended the show on a high note. It was the most emotional finale ever to me. Everything felt right. It was beautiful. The whole season was simply incredible.
 
Finally finished the season, I thought the last episode was a beautifully gauged bittersweet conclusion to the show, the scenes between Reese and Finch were moving and it was amazing to think where the show was at by the end compared to how it began, as a high tech version of The Equalizer.
 
Season 5 is a good example of why shorter seasons are better. Every episode feels super important.
 
I disagree some shows use that longer format well and some don't.
 
FINALLY finished Season 5, and it was about as perfect as it could have been given the circumstances. Sure, I wish Keith David's character had come back, and I wanted some closure for Control, and a chance to see Leon one last time. (I really wish he would have been included on the new D.C. team) But all in all, it was the perfect way to go out.

The only real downsides are, obviously, the show being over, and then knowing that Caviezel didn't get to be Deathstroke in the DCEU. Part of me is still holding out hope for a spinoff down the line. Mostly because Harper and Jimmi Simpson's character were great and could totally hold their own show. Especially if they threw Leon in the mix.
 
Y'all read the TMZ story about Shahi and her husband?
 
That's some messed up stuff if true. I still don't think the housekeeper can claim wrongful termination since she quit.
 
I watched POI since day one, I was even waiting for it since the very first announcement. It's my favorite TV show, it'll always have a special place in my heart.

But, the last two seasons weren't as expected, the quality of the show has downgraded in every aspect, there are still some solid episodes here and there, but, overall the level is lower than the first 3 seasons, I prefer the final season of course compared to the fourth.

Here's my rating to the seasons :

Season 1 : 10/10
Season 2 : 10/10
Season 3 : 10/10
Season 4 : 6/10
Season 5 : 7.5/10
 
I watched POI since day one, I was even waiting for it since the very first announcement. It's my favorite TV show, it'll always have a special place in my heart.

But, the last two seasons weren't as expected, the quality of the show has downgraded in every aspect, there are still some solid episodes here and there, but, overall the level is lower than the first 3 seasons, I prefer the final season of course compared to the fourth.

Here's my rating to the seasons :

Season 1 : 10/10
Season 2 : 10/10
Season 3 : 10/10
Season 4 : 6/10
Season 5 : 7.5/10

Dude, I'm almost totally on the same page. I feel like the show started off with a huge roar, season 1 being really something special. I've seen the pilot for that show about 20 times, and I believe it's one of the best pilots in TV history - I was hooked from Day 1.

Season 1 definitely a 10/10

Season 2. I felt like there were a couple of "filler" episodes but overall the show was very entertaining. 8/10

Season 3. Okay, the show totally peaked with "The Devil's Share" my favorite episode of the entire series. The whole story arc which dealt with Carter's one-woman crusade against HR, climaxing with her death, and then John's revenge and then the fallout afterwards (including the 2 part episode about Finch's old school buddy, and the creation of Samaritan)....sheer brilliance.

Not only did Carter get a great death, but the characters really showed their grief and rage - particularly John. This was a turning point, as for the first time Root took up arms with the good guys. And Fusco really got to shine, first with his psyc-eval story, then the escape from HR's clutches ( the look on his face when he strangled Detective *******, was beyond intense) and then the final smackdown with Simmons .....capped off by an appearance by Elias.

IMO, that has to be the ultimate POI episode, everyone gets a moment of brilliance. Well, that's my opinion.

After that Season 3 still continued to be strong -with the rise of Samaritan, and a fantastic cliff-hanger finale. I give it an 10/10.

Ah, then came season 4...... I feel like the show lost its way, and just dragged things out unnecessarily.
Maybe Jonah Nolan was too busy with Westworld, but I feel like the whole Samaritan thing should have been wrapped up by the end of the season - I mean, season 5 showed how quickly the matter could have been resolved.

IMO Season 4 should have reunited the team by episode 6 and had Samaritan destroyed and Greer dead by the final episode.

There were a couple of great episodes, "Pretenders" being my favorite, but the overall direction of the show was lost. I totally agree with the 6/10.

Season 5 : Well, it had a lot of great moments - but to be honest I took issue with a couple of character deaths.

i) Elias, he was both nemesis and ally, but gets the same sort of death as
a nameless henchman, shot in the head by an unknown assailant - with no pithy final words. Elias deserved better, maybe they were trying to shock us, with how sudden character deaths could be - but I feel like he deserved more.
I mean, he gets shot, they nurse him back to health, sort of joins the team....and then gets shot again.

ii) Root, another nemesis turned ally. I mean, she dies off-screen, WTF. A character with her enormous presence deserved an on-screen death at least.

iii) John: To be honest, I felt cheated by John's death. I completely understand that John's sacrifice was about him redeeming himself for all the lives he had taken - but I felt that it was almost out of place, that Fusco, Shaw and Finch all live, but John dies. I was hoping for a last minute dive off the roof onto a fire stairwell or a miraculous escape of some kind.

I mean, they go through all the effort to develop John's character and then just have him die ? To me it lessened my enjoyment of the finale.

If anyone should have sacrificed themselves, I would have thought it would have been Shaw, who doesn't really have feelings.

I'm very glad Fusco lived, because to me he represents the ordinary man (on a team of government super-assassins, computer hackers and billionaire-geniuses).

Anyway, as a whole, I loved POI. It was a great show and I often re-watch my favorite episodes.
 
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99% agree with all what you said.

Regarding my verdict of the seasons.

I gave Season 1 10/10 because it was a really solid drama inside the procedural nature of the episodes, it also combined Action, Humour, Mystery in a great enjoyable way with some really nice scenarios for every case of the week. I agree with you about the pilot, it was one of the all times top pilot episodes, counting all the TV shows, ever.

Season 2, it continued with the same formula of Season 1 but it added more depth to the machine story arc. I was amazed with the slow paced introduction of Decima & Greer using the virus plot (remember that they planted that and already showed us Cara Stanton coming back in s01e20, which shows how great this show is in terms of plans). So, that season deserves a solid 10 also.

Season 3, as you said, the Carter vs HR trilogy + the revenge episode "The devil's Share" were ultimate TV perfection. In my opinion the show reached its best level during those episodes. Now with the introduction of Samaritan, the kick-starter episodes with Arthur were really great, also the perfect episode "RAM" which was a stunning flashback work that connected everything, literally everything perfectly. But, after "RAM" I felt they somehow rushed in raising the bar. But that didn't affect my verdict of the season, because as I said we got those perfect high-standard episodes I mentioned.

Season 4, unfortunately the show became just an other normal show, it lost everything it had in the previous season, with the exception of episode 11 "If-Then-Else", and also 12 "Delete-Alt-Control". The Samaritan story arc became cheesy, I like Greer but it seemed like a surreal villain. That season was a complete disappointment.

Season 5, it had some great moments but it was rushed and badly written and directed like season 4, the only difference is that the episodes had more value than season 4's. I didn't feel practically anything about the character's deaths, because it was mis-executed, rushed, and cheap.


All in all, POI is the most underrated TV show I ever watched.
 
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BTW, one of the biggest and dumbest mistakes in the show is bringing back Shaw, they should have stuck with that heroic act in "If-Then-Else", they did an amazing scene with a top music from Ramin Djawadi, it was a perfect ending for a character.
BUT, just in the next episode, they made the team search for her.
And then they made us know she's alive.

They ruined the perfect ending of the episode 11.
 

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