RoboCop Reboot - Part 6

[DA_Champion]

It's not a bad movie guys.

 

[jmc]

Honest question: How many of you guys go into a genre movie like this and one of the first things you think is ''I want a sequel''

I could care less about a sequel going in. For me anyway it depends on where the film ends and frankly whether I give a damn about the film I just watched. I really hate the franchise mentality these days because it feels like studios are holding back way too much. Unfortunately Batman Begins unintentionally started that mentality.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It's not a bad movie guys.

No, it's really not. And I haven't really seen anyone say it is. But at least for me it's generic and forgettable. Most times I'll gladly take bad over that

 

[Poni_Boy]

I could care less about a sequel going in. For me anyway it depends on where the film ends and frankly whether I give a damn about the film I just watched. I really hate the franchise mentality these days because it feels like studios are holding back way too much. Unfortunately Batman Begins unintentionally started that mentality.

That's how I feel but it seems like the forced sequel crap isn't just a studio mentality anymore but it's what many people look for. Which is kind of sad

 

[DA_Champion]

I could care less about a sequel going in. For me anyway it depends on where the film ends and frankly whether I give a damn about the film I just watched. I really hate the franchise mentality these days because it feels like studios are holding back way too much. Unfortunately Batman Begins unintentionally started that mentality.

I don't see the Joker card as a cliffhanger though. For me it was actually a reasonable ending to Batman Begins, even if no sequel had ever been made. They're letting us know that Batman is now in full operation.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't think he's talking about that

 

[DA_Champion]

I don't think he's talking about that

Then what exactly did they hold back on in Batman Begins?

 

[jmc]

That's how I feel but it seems like the forced sequel crap isn't just a studio mentality anymore but it's what many people look for. Which is kind of sad

I don't know if anyone goes in thinking about a sequel, it doesn't make any sense to me why someone would do that. People just want to be entertained more than anything, I think there is a problem with the studios however, they are too busy thinking 2-3 film ahead instead of worrying about the film at hand. That's why we get films like Green Lantern.

 

[LostSon88]

Really bummed this wasn't in the movie.

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The line and an altered voice.

 

[jmc]

Then what exactly did they hold back on in Batman Begins?

I meant more about them not using the Joker first.

 

[DA_Champion]

I meant more about them not using the Joker first.

I find that a real stretch as far as holding back goes.

 

[Teelie]

I rarely go into a movie looking at it as the start of a franchise. Especially those who set it up as a franchise. Most of them will fail to make a sequel let alone a trilogy.

The only exceptions I make are for the so-called guaranteed ones like anything LOTR or Harry Potter related. And occasionally super hero movies.

 

[jmc]

Conventional wisdom was you always use the big villains first and foremost. Begins not only broke that rule it didn't even substitute it with another big name villain.

 

[Mike_D202]

Really bummed this wasn't in the movie.

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The line and an altered voice.

Yeah I was hoping for the robotic voice too. Ah well.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

It looks like its going to be a flop. So much for a sequel.

Has anyone called this movie RoboFlop yet?

If not, yaaay.

 

[Octoberist]

Conventional wisdom was you always use the big villains first and foremost. Begins not only broke that rule it didn't even substitute it with another big name villain.

I'd say maybe Begins is an anomaly that worked for the film. I don't think Nolan would've ready for The Joker with the first film, in retrospect.

Keep in mind, Hollywood loves to finish 2nd, so they're always ready to look at a potential trend and misuse and milk it till it's dead.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I see what happened. The numbers I read were the weekend numbers, not the 4 day weekend numbers total.

Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I don't know if anyone goes in thinking about a sequel, it doesn't make any sense to me why someone would do that. People just want to be entertained more than anything, I think there is a problem with the studios however, they are too busy thinking 2-3 film ahead instead of worrying about the film at hand. That's why we get films like Green Lantern.

What I mean is this consistent outpouring of "it's good enough for the first movie" or "the sequel WILL be better"of "the sequel WILL fix problems from the first movie." It feels like people are ok with mediocrity as long as it spawns more movies. It may sound idealistic but I still feel every one of these movies needs to stand on its own first and foremost as the best possible iteration of its story. Sequel talks should come after the studio finds out if the audience likes what they did.

 

[Heretic]

I don't see why a franchise has to use the big villain first. If people care about the hero, then the first film is a great opportunity to use a lesser known villain...since theoretically the hero in his first adventure SHOULD be a draw. You can then either build for the showdown with the big villain, or use him in part 2 to make that seem like the staks have been raised (without having to pile on multiple bad guys).

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are an anomaly. Using Hollywood methodology, The Dark Knight shouldn't have happened the way it did. People didn't really care about Begins until the DVD release. Then suddenly people realized what they missed out on. Just how good Begins was.

 

[DA_Champion]

Conventional wisdom was you always use the big villains first and foremost. Begins not only broke that rule it didn't even substitute it with another big name villain.

Is this really conventional wisdom? where?

I think it made sense for Nolan to use a villain that nobody had heard of. It helped set up that this movie was something different.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What I mean is this consistent outpouring of "it's good enough for the first movie" or "the sequel WILL be better"of "the sequel WILL fix problems from the first movie." It feels like people are ok with mediocrity as long as it spawns more movies. It may sound idealistic but I still feel every one of these movies needs to stand on its own first and foremost as the best possible iteration of its story. Sequel talks should come after the studio finds out if the audience likes what they did.

I love you right now.

This is the theme on so many boards here. Thor, The Amazing Spider-Man, etc. And it makes no sense. If the first film is mediocre, why is the sequel going to be so much better? It is bad fanboy logic. Same with, a bad movie is better then no movie. The Amazing Spider-Man and TDW is the perfect example of this right now. You are hearing it in here. All the talk of "potential".

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is this really conventional wisdom? where?

I think it made sense for Nolan to use a villain that nobody had heard of. It helped set up that this movie was something different.

Uh, plenty know who Ra's and Scarecrow are. They aren't heavyweights to the general public, but they are prominent Batman villains, who appeared more then once on BTAS.

 

[LostSon88]

Its the idea that a sequel is never guaranteed so it is best to start out with the best of the best.

In regards to Begins, Nolan kind of had the flexibility in that Joker has already been seen on screen before so it's not like he had to feel obligated to use the character as its already been done.

Nolan intentionally wanted to showcase a lesser known villain for his movie because the focus for him was Bruce Wayne/Batman and he didn't want the villain to upstage that…as every single villain in each Bat-movie prior accomplished.

Hell, it took some serious convincing for Goyer to convince Nolan to give Dr. Crane the Scarecrow mask. That's just how bad Nolan wanted to avoid the "heavy" villains.

By the end, Batman as a character had been established and now Nolan could consider introducing the bigger villains. Granted it was a gamble as no sequel is guaranteed but, it worked.

 

[DA_Champion]

I love you right now.

This is the theme on so many boards here. Thor, The Amazing Spider-Man, etc. And it makes no sense. If the first film is mediocre, why is the sequel going to be so much better?

It is bad fanboy logic. Same with, a bad movie is better then no movie. The Amazing Spider-Man and TDW is the perfect example of this right now.

Marvel is treating their universe as a television series. It's good business sense because quite frankly, it's working. A lot of audience members have the expectation now that they have to see every single marvel film. It makes more sense for marvel to make movies that have more loose ends than tied ends, because audiences will think "I now have to see the next movie" rather than "This movie didn't tie up loose ends".