RoboCop Reboot - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

It's worth seeing.

You're going to get your $12 worth just from being able to take part in the conversation discussing the movie.

$12?

 

[Poni_Boy]

$12?

I'd say it's good rental quality. Or just buy it if you're a Blu-ray collector with deep pockets. Theater tickets are too pricey nowadays to go see everything just because it's the hot commodity to talk about for a week

 

[Maboroshi]

I'm so sad that this movie seems to be bombing. I just saw it and I actually loved it. Even though the reviews are bad, seems the word of mouth is actually pretty good. Please spread some good word of mouth on facebook. I want a sequel!

 

[Poni_Boy]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why RoboCop's existence means the law against autonomous robots on US soil should be overturned

 

[DA_Champion]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why RoboCop's existence means the law against autonomous robots on US soil should be overturned

This was well-explained by the plot.

The law in the US was in place due to public opposition to drones on US soil. When the public saw Robocop's success they developed warm feelings toward drone technology.

That's how things work in the real world. Whenever a major news event happens the vultures descend on Washington to change all sorts of laws. As Milton Friedman once said, never let a crisis go to waste.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why RoboCop's existence means the law against autonomous robots on US soil should be overturned

The movie does not answer this? Really?

 

[TheVileOne]

Well because he's part-robot?

 

[DA_Champion]

The movie does not answer this? Really?

The movie answers this.

 

[Poni_Boy]

This was well-explained by the plot.

The law in the US was in place due to public opposition to drones on US soil. When the public saw Robocop's success they developed warm feelings toward drone technology.

That's how things work in the real world. Whenever a major news event happens the vultures descend on Washington to change all sorts of laws. As Milton Friedman once said, never let a crisis go to waste.

Again, that doesn't answer it. Run it down step by step:

- Autonomous robots are not allowed to operate on US soil

- Sellers says in order to bypass the law he will need to put a man inside a machine, because it would not make him an autonomous robot

- The man inside the machine, RoboCop, works

- Congress votes to renege the law against allowing autonomous robots on US soil because of RoboCop

How does one have anything to do with the other? RoboCop is NOT an autonomous robot. His existence/track record do not reflect anything to do with that law. The movie doesn't address that unless I missed something.

 

[Poni_Boy]

People keep using the word "drone" to signify OmniCorp's war zone products. They are not drones. They are autonomous robots. Drones are piloted by humans.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Well because he's part-robot?

That's like saying because this car works thanks to there being a driver we're going to allow automated mono-rail trains on the streets

 

[nocomics]

I saw it today and personally didn't think it was worth the 8.50, this might be better viewed at home( a lot of movies I hated at theatre, but really enjoyed when viewing at home).
I think for me the story and character development was lacking or just plain rushed. I just couldn't root for any character or root against any, though the guy doing Murphy was good, just wished they gave him more.
Enjoyed the process of how the suit assembled and unassembled on Murphy, was quite different take on his injuries. The color of suits, both were good and how they used them in the movie.
Wasn't terrible, but not nearly as intense and iconic as the first one(think this suffered from the PG-13 rating).

 

[DA_Champion]

Again, that doesn't answer it. Run it down step by step:

- Autonomous robots are not allowed to operate on US soil

- Sellers says in order to bypass the law he will need to put a man inside a machine, because it would not make him an autonomous robot

- The man inside the machine, RoboCop, works

- Congress votes to renege the law against allowing autonomous robots on US soil because of RoboCop

How does one have anything to do with the other? RoboCop is NOT an autonomous robot. His existence/track record do not reflect anything to do with that law. The movie doesn't address that unless I missed something.

Spoiler

Robocop has everything to do with drone technology in the movie itself because he is largely built off drone technology and everyone knows it, and the public associates him with drones. Once they see Robocop help out, they see what the benefits of drones might be, how Detroit is so much better now that crime has dropped. They show newscasts discussing how Detroit is much better off now. Robocop went after that murderer in the middle of a crowd while two cops stood by and did nothing. Public opinion subsequently shifts, they even show the evolution of public opinion polls.

 

[DA_Champion]

That's like saying because this car works thanks to there being a driver we're going to allow automated mono-rail trains on the streets

That's just a temporary technological limitation, eventually drones will be more automated and that's acknowledged by people in the industry.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Spoiler

Robocop has everything to do with drone technology in the movie itself because he is largely built off drone technology and everyone knows it, and the public associates him with drones. Once they see Robocop help out, they see what the benefits of drones might be, how Detroit is so much better now that crime has dropped. They show newscasts discussing how Detroit is much better off now. Robocop went after that murderer in the middle of a crowd while two cops stood by and did nothing. Public opinion subsequently shifts, they even show the evolution of public opinion polls.

Again, that has nothing whatsoever to do with the Dreyfus Act about allowing autonomous robots (who do not have humans operating them) to operate on Us soil. RoboCop should not have affected that law whatsoever unless OmniCorp produced him as the first of a line of RoboCops

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's just a temporary technological limitation, eventually drones will be more automated and that's acknowledged by people in the industry.

It which case they will cease to be drones and becomes autonomous robot.

 

[Poni_Boy]

That's just a temporary technological limitation, eventually drones will be more automated and that's acknowledged by people in the industry.

I think we watched different movies

 

[DA_Champion]

It which case they will cease to be drones and becomes autonomous robot.

No, they'll still be called drones because it is a gradual evolution of the technology.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

If anything, Robocop reinforces the need for the human element.

 

[Poni_Boy]

It which case they will cease to be drones and becomes autonomous robot.

Exactly. But what the law states (and is repeated over and over in the movie) is that autonomous robots cannot be used on US soil. And RoboCop's existence should not change that, because he's not an autonomous robot like the ED-209, the humanoid ones or the aerial robots OmniCorp wants to put in the US.

 

[DA_Champion]

I think we watched different movies

Yeah you seemed to have missed some very obvious parts, like Robocop being part drone and being associated with drone technology.

There were protesters at Robocop outings holding signs attacking him for being a robot.

 

[Poni_Boy]

If anything, Robocop reineforces the need for the human element.

YES. Exactly.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, they'll still be called drones because it is a gradual evolution of the technology.

You are missing the point. Call it what you want, but a drone by its sheer definition and function, is not an autonomous robot. Thus it would be irrelevant to an act that places limitations on autonomous robot.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Yeah you seemed to have missed some very obvious parts, like Robocop being part drone and being associated with drone technology.

There were protesters at Robocop outings holding signs attacking him for being a robot.

He's not part drone. He IS a drone. He's a machine piloted by a human. But drones =/= robots. That's the whole point.

 

[The Sarge]

A lot of people are complaining about the rating, personally, I didn't really notice the lack of gore, though I'll admit it would've added to the films tone.
It was changed to a PG-13 by the studios despite Kinnaman and the director's protests, in order to sell more tickets-
But would more people be willing to see this if it had an "R" rating?