Supergirl Season 4, Episode 9: "Elseworlds, Part 3" (MAJOR SPOILERS)

[Herolee10]

I'm not sure he's gone for good. Superman could easily be back when Supergirl needs a ratings boost or Hochelin is avalible again. The Crisis requires a lot of heroes, and we haven't really seen the Arrowverse Metropolis yet.

Honestly, has Superman's appearances on Supergirl really made a big difference in the show's ratings?

Plus, I think it's all but certain that the legends will be involved in next year's event as well, making it very crowded.

Also, after seeing on how Superman was used in the crossover, I really have no desire to see him show up again unless he has his own show first. Due to Tyler's Superman being a "special guest star" that originated from Supergirl's series, he will never be given the star treatment like the other characters because he has no show of his own to fall back on. And I really don't want to see the likes of Superman being degraded to a position where he has to follow orders from every other Arrowverse character, especially the Legends and Iris/Felicity.

 

[batdude]

Honestly, has Superman's appearances on Supergirl really made a big difference in the show's ratings?

Plus, I think it's all but certain that the legends will be involved in next year's event as well, making it very crowded.

Also, after seeing on how Superman was used in the crossover, I really have no desire to see him show up again unless he has his own show first. Due to Tyler's Superman being a "special guest star" that originated from Supergirl's series, he will never be given the star treatment like the other characters because he has no show of his own to fall back on. And I really don't want to see the likes of Superman being degraded to a position where he has to follow orders from every other Arrowverse character, especially the Legends and Iris/Felicity.

Look, I get it. only in the Arrowverse would Superman be a second stringer. I just really would like to see their version of Metropolis. His own show? only if Jon Cryer actually works as Lex Luthor.

 

[batdude]

Honestly, has Superman's appearances on Supergirl really made a big difference in the show's ratings?

Plus, I think it's all but certain that the legends will be involved in next year's event as well, making it very crowded.

Also, after seeing on how Superman was used in the crossover, I really have no desire to see him show up again unless he has his own show first. Due to Tyler's Superman being a "special guest star" that originated from Supergirl's series, he will never be given the star treatment like the other characters because he has no show of his own to fall back on. And I really don't want to see the likes of Superman being degraded to a position where he has to follow orders from every other Arrowverse character, especially the Legends and Iris/Felicity.

Look, I get it. only in the Arrowverse would Superman be a second stringer. I just really would like to see their version of Metropolis. His own show? only if Jon Cryer actually works as Lex Luthor.

 

[Flash525]

I'm calling it now, it'll be Ollie who'll make the sacrifice play in next years crossover. Barry may disappear, somehow, but he'll be back (also somehow) whilst Ollie doesn't. Arrow is coming to an end soon, likely Season 8. Flash and Supergirl (and Batwoman) will be wanting to continue.

That's also one way to get rid of Superman for the foreseeable future.

Does Alex exist on Earth-1?

I don't see why she wouldn't; though I suspect the circumstances of her upbringing to be different. The obvious reason for her inclusion here was because she's a cast member of the show.

I hope this crossover results in Earth-38 merging with Earth-1

That'd mean there would be two versions of Gotham City on the same Earth.

No, there'd be one version of Gotham City, presumably made out of two (or more) other versions.


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[Flash525]

Im assuming we need a thread dedicated to COIE speculation....where should we house it?

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Probably in the Misc TV Series? There's already a generic Arrowverse thread in there, maybe use that? Perhaps?

 

[Flash525]

I'm already excited and scared of COIE because this is one crossover where you shouldnt be letting anyone sit out so I do expect to see some version of Laurel Lance show up and help kick some ass. Along with other forgotten characters the show tends to ignore during crossovers. Of course 2hrs wont be enough to tell a proper story but im interested to see how they handle all the doppelgangers that should be showing up. Will we see everyone on different Earths fighting and only a few survive that end up coming together and will they really have the balls to merge some Earths with E1?

If they do it right, it wont be that short. With any luck, it'll involve everyone (Legends included, maybe even Black Lightning too) and it'll span two episodes from each show; that's potentially 12 episodes worth, or ten if they decide not to include Black Lightning, although I'm curious where it'll leave Arrow, because the story is set for December, which (would be) only half way through a shows series.

I can't believe we only got 2 minutes of 1990 Flash. Made me pretty upset and they were better off not including him at all if that's the case. What was the point?

Couldn't agree more here. What a wasted opportunity.

Crisis on Infinite Earths merged all earths into one and only one copy of each person. I have no idea if the CW version will merge all or just a few. The logical merge would be 38 with one.

We'll likely (at least) get this, though I'm hoping Earth-2 also, so that we get a consistent and likable Wells, rather than a joke since Season 3. ​

 

[vantheman77]

With Elseworlds now over, this crossover is mainly about Oliver since Guggenheim was in charge.

Supergirl was hardly used in her own show. It's sad that the Arrow and Flash writers have used her better than her own show's writers. If you look at the first half of Supergirl's 4th season, she was hardly seen or used and that's due to her Broadway stints.

If Superman wasn't in charge of the situation, it's only because most of this took place on Earth-1 and yeah both Oliver and Barry were in charge, along with Supergirl to a lesser extent.

I wouldn't say Superman is retired, but I feel they're planting seeds of a possible Rebirth-inspired TV series that I called on from the start.

In order for Crisis On Infinite Earths to work next year, all the shows need to be Crisis tie-ins and have one or two crossover events. Have them deal with the shared Crisis in their own ways in their own shows.

The next time Supergirl returns to Earth-1 for more crossovers with Flash before the Crisis, she now has a couple of connections with Batwoman and Earth-1 Alex Danvers.

 

[Karelia]

I think Amell may can convince Welling & Rosenbaum for Crisis on Infinite Earths. I would nerd out so hard...

 

[Primal Slayer]

If they do it right, it wont be that short. With any luck, it'll involve everyone (Legends included, maybe even Black Lightning too) and it'll span two episodes from each show; that's potentially 12 episodes worth, or ten if they decide not to include Black Lightning, although I'm curious where it'll leave Arrow, because the story is set for December, which (would be) only half way through a shows series.

Couldn't agree more here. What a wasted opportunity.

We'll likely (at least) get this, though I'm hoping Earth-2 also, so that we get a consistent and likable Wells, rather than a joke since Season 3. ​

There's no way they are doing 12 episodes. 5 at best.

 

[shabadoo25]

COIE will be interesting. Will the iconic shot be a crying Kara holding Oliver's lifeless body at the end?

I wasn't thrilled with another crossover ending with Barry and Ollie sharing beers on someone else's show.

 

[samsnee]

I don’t watch Supergirl so is Martian Manhunter normally that lame? He showed up and basically just ducked.

 

[SSAV]

I enjoyed this crossover the most out of all crossovers.
But, I do think Kara had less time in her own show than Oliver and Barry and of course, Oliver saves the day. She was less present in Flash as well.

I loved Kara's talk to Alex.

I thought Lois might be pregnant and they may be setting up for a new Superman series after the first episode, so that is what I am thinking now. May be after Crisis, the kid will be a teenager, so they can start one in 2020; right when Supergirl may be in its last season or so. Wouldn't there be much fan anger if they decided that kid was a girl?

I guess, Earth 38 Alex was kept out of the loop or.. she wasn't worried that Kara was missing. Or, more likely, the Showrunner person (Arrow guy) forgot all about her.

Enjoyed Kara-Clark talks and they seemed just like the kind a big brother would say to a little cousin to me (my parents have said it to me; as have my cousin.). I don't think either Kara or Lois thinks any less of Clark because of them.

I would actually like Kara to die in Crisis and be brought back to life in a few episodes. At least, I think it will be great if done right.

 

[Nathan]

I thought Lois might be pregnant and they may be setting up for a new Superman series after the first episode, so that is what I am thinking now. May be after Crisis, the kid will be a teenager, so they can start one in 2020; right when Supergirl may be in its last season or so. Wouldn't there be much fan anger if they decided that kid was a girl?

Honestly, it wouldn't bother me. I know in the current comic continuity Superman has a son. But aren't there also other timelines where he has a daughter?

 

[SSAV]

Honestly, it wouldn't bother me. I know in the current comic continuity Superman has a son. But aren't there also other timelines where he has a daughter?

Are there? I have read only two issues of Superman, so I am not very familiar with his comic titles (or, Supergirl's for that matter). Anyways, if Superman comes in after Supergirl goes off air, it'd be great for Clark to have a daughter. It could even be the result of Crisis.. but as I said delayed.

I did like the scene where Clark goes "Kara" at Cisco. That was so unexpected. Also, Superman was the only person in the whole verse who could do anything with the book of destiny; read it and use it to get the world to change back. I kind of liked that because it showed his experience with respect to Kara and others.

 

[samsnee]

For a second when Clark mentioned his mom at the end of the episode, I thought Annette O'Toole would show up.

And the black suit looked really good. Even better than the MoS suit, whose lack of belt always bothered me.

 

[samsnee]

I could list a dozen different words/sentences that Clark could have used to prop Kara up without resorting to him simply saying that she was stronger than him (all the time). That line came from writers who only seem to care about female superiority as opposed to gender equality.

And even though nobody else won any fights, all of them were able to get good shots in (whether it be against Amazo or Dr. Destiny). Superman really never got any good shots in against his opponents in the two episodes that he appeared in.

Holy sh-- this is such a bad take.

 

[mace1]

That's because the show had already made it a long standing tradition (even before Superman debuted as an actual character) to take jabs at his character in order to prop up Kara's.

Not to mention that in that same episode, they had Clark constantly saying on how he had been beaten fairly by Kara before adding in the line about her being stronger than him.

You know, the irony in the whole excuse about Kara being presented better because it's her show is that Kara was still treated better than Clark in "Smallville' which was undoubtedly his show.

So whether it be in his show or her's, it seems like Superman will never be treated as Supergirl's equal.

Clark was not superman for most of the time in smallville when kara was around.
By the way i thought he was more powerful then kara when he became superman finally in the end.

 

[WhoMani]

This was a satisfying conclusion for this year's crossover. Tyler Hoechlin again is amazing as Superman and him being off Earth for while means the next time we will see Superman is probably in the next crossover. I don't get fans whining about Superman giving Kara pep talks as Superman in general often does this to any other hero in the comics and that he's seen as a role model in the superhero community. Superman was actually useful in this episode as he was the main reason why Oliver, Barry and Kara got their abilities back.

Lois being pregnant actually surprised me if I had to guess then I would say they will follow the comics and they will have a son named Jon Kent which is great as I like Jon Kent.

I have a feeling that Oliver chose to sacrifice himself to the Monitor over Kara and Barry as he feels that they're both represent the best in humanity while Oliver still believes that he has the darkness.

Anyway great crossover and I can't wait for the Crisis on Infinite Earths crossover as I never thought it would happen. Let's hope that the writers do the Anti-Monitor justice but I'm not too worry as I thought the Monitor was actually awesome.

 

[gerrym51]

My favorite character is Superman. HOWEVER-and i've posted this before-Personality wise he is a beta male.
Oliver is the alpha male. Aquaman is an alpha male. Wonder Woman is an alpha male(yes i know she's a woman sheesh{.

Clark and Barry are beta males

 

[Dr.]

...Also, this is two years in a row that the Supergirl creative team delivered the best installment of the crossover, imo.

Yeah; I found part 3 was conspicuously better written than the first two. I don’t mean the major storylines; those were predefined. But for the most part, individual scenes and dialogue were very nicely crafted and a pleasure to watch.

Re: a hypothetical Superman spinoff.

It seems to me that a big part of the appeal is a longing for a classic/traditional/nostalgic Superman that this particular characterization (and Hoechlin’s performance) arguably embodies. But any future series based on the “Elseworlds” continuity strikes me as a fair distance from traditional. Supes and Lois are married with child... And do they just settle back into to their roles as normal DP reporters after their years-long sabbatical off world?... For that matter, does everyone know that Superman’s Girlfriend is now Superman’s wife?... Is the CK secret identity still viable?... Etc., etc. I’m not saying it absolutely couldn’t work. But it wouldn’t be the classic version that the average audience would be expecting.

Notwithstanding Tulloch’s comments about the possibility of a spinoff, it appears TPTB have - quite deliberately - closed the book on an Arrowverse Superman for some time to come.

 

[Midnite]

Does anyone know who's hammer is that?

 

[The Chris]

Anyone else really happy to see that the victory was achieved almost entirely by the main heroes in Green Arrow, Flash, Supergirl and Superman. I'm so used to some science trick from the supporting casts being the key to victory so it was great to see the plans of action being thought of and executed by the main characters themselves with just the right amount of side help. Also it's a good thing that Supergirl I'm assuming doesn't have a love interest right now to add a negative element to the cross over because this part felt like all superhero goodness (my least favorite elements of part 1 & 2 were the Iris and Felicity stuff)

 

[KingDrac]

Does anyone know who's hammer is that?

Elizabeth Tulloch‏Verified account @BitsieTulloch 14h14 hours ago


A lot of people have been asking me about the hammer Lois carries so I texted Robert Rovner co-showrunner/EP of #Supergirl for clarification and he said, “It’s the solar hammer from the cosmic anvil.” Hope that clears up any confusion.

#Elseworlds

 

[Herolee10]

Upon re-watching the Star Labs scene, man it was just so frustrating to see Superman look so lost and unsure of what to do while everyone else looked competent and had their own plans to carry out.

I mean this is the guy that is supposed to be the 15 year veteran and yet he had no idea of how to contribute on his own and had no faith that Kara and Barry could find a way to overcome their presumed fates.

The only things that Tyler's Superman seems to be good at is giving pep talks and being used as a glorified punching bag.

 

[vantheman77]

If Superman was unsure in the Star Labs, it's likely because of Lois and what he saw in the Book of Destiny concerning Kara and Barry.

However when you watch the entire Elseworlds crossover in terms of Superman being involved in the Monitor and Book of Destiny stuff, he didn't know about it until Barry and Oliver came to him in the Fortress. He may or may not know about the Monitor either unless he had experience with him as I wished they would address it.

This was why I felt it was a mistake for Superman to return to Earth-38 in the Flash part at the end so that he can stay behind and get involved. It was also a mistake to set Batwoman in Earth-1 since she and Supergirl have struck a friendship.