Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Here comes the oversaturation.

Looks like my interest in this franchise is going to absolutely plummet after Days of Future Past.

 

[SuperT]

was Thor as popular on general audience as Wolverine?

Iron Man wasn't even popular with the general audience.

The "this character isnt popular" "rule" is not a make or break thing anymore. There are MANY factors why movies work and why they dont work.

Yep, the idea that only popular characters can be made into movies needs be thrown out of the window. Marvel proved that with Iron Man, Thor and arguably Captain America to a lesser degree. No one was particularly clamoring for those movies and now everyone loves them.

All it takes is a great actor, good script, writing and direction and you can most definitely have a hit with almost any major character or team within the X-Men universe.

There have been plenty of amazing solo runs from the X-Men - Gambit, Mystique, Deadpool, Dazzler, Magik, Longshot.

There are also plenty of other teams that are completely different from X-Men proper that can lead their own film (other than X-Force) - X-Factor, Alpha Flight, X-Corps, Excalibur, Hellions, New Mutants - they have plenty of options.

They shouldn't just limit themselves to what is popular. Any of these can be popular if done right.

 

[Naji Assan]

You are correct. I want zero space travel in this franchise. If I could "reboot" the comics and wipe out all space travel in the comics, I would.

How do I expect them to do Apocalypse? I honestly couldn't care less if we ever get Apocalypse. I have no hype or anticipation for an Apocalypse film.

I've said it a thousand times if I've said it once, I would be quite content if no more X-Men movies were ever made after X-Men: Days Of Future Past. I don't have an entitlement complex where I think that every comic run should be adapted into film, and that these movies should be made from here until the end of time. Things come to an end, and I have no issue with watching these movies come to an end.

They won't, so if they aren't going to end, I'd like to see this franchise continue with dignity and integrity. I don't need to see the convoluted idiocy of the comics make its way into the movies.



I'm not saying we won't ever see certain things. I'm saying I don't -want- to see certain things.

If there are aspects that I do not like in the comics, why would I want to see them in the movies? There are certain aspects of the comics that I simply don't like and I cringe over everytime they are implemented.

Sounds like you're done with the franchise in six months since Days of Future Past pretty much opens the door to all those awesome things you don't want. And based on the Bleeding Cool interview with Singer, you might run into Apocalypse in Days of Future Past via cameo...

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

If the franchise goes the direction being talked about in this thread, my interest in this franchise is going to die.

Its going to be about quantity over quality, mass produced films just to keep rights alive with no substance.

No thanks.

This franchise is jumping the shark.

 

[Naji Assan]

Iron Man wasn't even popular with the general audience.



Yep, the idea that only popular characters can be made into movies needs be thrown out of the window. Marvel proved that with Iron Man, Thor and arguably Captain America to a lesser degree. No one was particularly clamoring for those movies and now everyone loves them.

All it takes is a great actor, good script, writing and direction and you can most definitely have a hit with almost any major character or team within the X-Men universe.

There have been plenty of amazing solo runs from the X-Men - Gambit, Mystique, Deadpool, Dazzler, Magik, Longshot.

There are also plenty of other teams that are completely different from X-Men proper that can lead their own film (other than X-Force) - X-Factor, Alpha Flight, X-Corps, Excalibur, Hellions, New Mutants - they have plenty of options.

They shouldn't just limit themselves to what is popular. Any of these can be popular if done right.

I don't see many solo films happening with Fox, but rather lead-in films based on long-standing mutant teams from the books.

X-Force
X-Factor Investigations
Alpha Flight
Starjammers
Excalibur
New Mutants

Maybe even Power Pack.

Deadpool's a possibility but I think he'll be absorbed into X-Force rather than be given his own film.

I think the only guaranteed solo film is The Silver Surfer once the FF are off the ground again.

 

[Mr.M]

was Thor as popular on general audience as Wolverine?

No, yet Marvel has done two movies already doing more than 400 millions, in Thor 2 case, 500m and counting.

The "this character isnt popular" "rule" is not a make or break thing anymore. There are MANY factors why movies work and why they dont work.

If Marvel can do movies about Ironman, Cap, and Thor, Fox can EASILY do the same with a few more X-Men characters. Some fans dont want that, ok, but that doesnt mean Fox cant do it and do it successfully.

Marvel didn't have a choice. You can't do an Avengers movie without them. Thor and Cap are basically #2 and #3. That is sad since Hulk was by far the most popular character to which they had rights to at the time, but Hulk was botched enough times that he's now only worth his weight in pennies by himself. But it was Hulk that bumped Avengers box office to that monstrous level, not Thor... not Cap, and that's because of his long standing popularity in pop culture.

Now we will know what the deal is with GotG. Just looking at the cover, I'd say that film grosses 350-400 millionish if it's on par with the quality of previous MCU movies (just my opinion from someone who knows nothing about it). That would be a solid break even number, but ultimately it doesn't cut it. But obviously Marvel needs a platform to their cosmic world, much like Fox needs a platform for space/cosmic elements. I honestly think a FF reboot and GotG are in the same boat at this point, considering what they are both attempting to do, and how the odds are stacked against them in different ways (GotG being an obscure title, FF being a reboot).

But characters like Alpha Flight and New Mutants aren't the best option right now. Can you do these movies with 90 million dollars without coming across as a generic low budget action movie? No big movies cost only 90-100 million anymore. I believe in quality over quantity. I just wouldn't chance it at this point. It's too early to gamble like that, no matter what DoFP does at the box office.

If the franchise goes the direction being talked about in this thread, my interest in this franchise is going to die.

Its going to be about quantity over quality, mass produced films just to keep rights alive with no substance.

No thanks.

This franchise is jumping the shark.

They are not going after guys like you Nell... you need to accept that. I have accepted this with the Disney/Marvel approach. The majority of those films no longer suit me but I don't feel the need to post in those forums every third page about how they are alienating us. You just have to move on.

 

[SuperT]

If the franchise goes the direction being talked about in this thread, my interest in this franchise is going to die.

Its going to be about quantity over quality, mass produced films just to keep rights alive with no substance.

No thanks.

This franchise is jumping the shark.

Who said they had to make them all? We were giving options to expand the universe outside of the main X-Men team/title. No one said they should make ALL of them, just that they have many options and areas they can explore.

It's too early to gamble like that, no matter what DoFP does at the box office.

Uh, they're already gambling with DOFP. It's Fox's second biggest production after Avatar. That is a MASSIVE gamble.

 

[Naji Assan]

If the franchise goes the direction being talked about in this thread, my interest in this franchise is going to die.

Its going to be about quantity over quality, mass produced films just to keep rights alive with no substance.

No thanks.

This franchise is jumping the shark.

So the expansion of the universe signifies quality decline?

If anything it will amplify quality. I don't get why you're an X-Men fan if 80% of the books disgust you. The cosmic stuff, Apocalypse...these things are essential to the X-Men mythos.

 

[Naji Assan]

Either way - they are going to have to start giving us more than just one X-Men team movie every year. They are at least going to have to bump it up to two a year if they are serious about expanding the universe.

Not all the movies need to be large scale movies either. If they are smart, they'll make some of the spin-off titles smaller like they did with The Wolverine to maximize profit.

Titles like X-Factor Investigations could work, and probably benefit, as smaller productions.

Exactly. You make hundred million dollar movies to hype two hundred million dollar movies.

When your hundred million dollar movie makes unexpectedly high numbers you give it a sequel (Thor The Dark World, Captain America The First Avenger, The Wolverine). When it doesn't, you leave it at that (The Incredible Hulk).

 

[Mr.M]

Who said they had to make them all? We were giving options to expand the universe outside of the main X-Men team/title. No one said they should make ALL of them, just that they have many options and areas they can explore.

I never said make all of them. I am contesting two films a year. Where are you going to go to sustain that kind of slate? It's way too ambitious given where we are at right now with the franchise and given the market place.

Uh, they're already gambling with DOFP. It's Fox's second biggest production after Avatar. That is a MASSIVE gamble.

Um... let's see, you secure the top actors from the OT to return, plus the original director, and pair them with your top notch prime acting talent from the FC, and you call this a gamble in today's landscape?

Fanboys basically pulled their pants down and grabbed tissues and lotion when this thing was announced, don't deny it. Guardians of the Galaxy is a gamble. Avengers was a gamble prior to 2008. Not an X-Men 4 with one of the best ensemble casts put together.

So the expansion of the universe signifies quality decline?

If anything it will amplify quality. I don't get why you're an X-Men fan if 80% of the books disgust you. The cosmic stuff, Apocalypse...these things are essential to the X-Men mythos.

Nell may have to show us this vast comic book collection of his. I'm not singling you out Nell, but really. I was one of the kids that got hooked on TAS, but I didn't read every single issue or have boxes upon boxes of comics and action figures. I can carry my comic book collection in one small box. Few issues here and there. So maybe he just has to put a photo of this huge X-Men collection of his and prove it. And it doesn't make you any less of a fan if you didn't go around collecting every single issue. In fact, the big comic book collectors are probably the minority on this site, because it wouldn't be the size it is if only comic book junkies posted here.

 

[Naji Assan]

I never said make all of them. I am contesting two films a year. Where are you going to go to sustain that kind of slate? It's way too ambitious given where we are at right now with the market place.

How is it too ambitious? Fox can afford it and then some. They'd rather invest on lead-in films to their "Avengers" movies than waste money on dead franchises (Die Hard, Aliens, Predator, etc).

Two films a year can easily become three, except on the X-Men year where they'll pump $250 million into one film.

Um... let's see, you secure the top actors from the OT to return, plus the original director, and pair them with your top notch prime acting talent from the FC, and you call this a gamble in today's landscape?

Fanboys basically pulled their pants down and grabbed tissues and lotion when this thing was announced, don't deny it. Guardians of the Galaxy is a gamble. Avengers was a gamble prior to 2008. Those are gambles. Not X-Men 4 with one of the best ensemble casts put together.

Gamble or not, the lead-ins won't compromise the X-Men films. If Alpha Flight can barely break even it just won't get a sequel down the line. If X-Force makes Thor The Dark World numbers then Cable gets his trilogy.

 

[SuperT]

Three films a year is a bit much. That would only lead to each movie potentially cannibalizing each other in the market because they would certainly be released relatively close together.

Not to mention you're not taking into consideration the significant competition they would have to deal with. 1-2 films is fine.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm all for looking at the available options, but I think we can't expect more than one movie a year at present.

I don't think the producers would be able to handle any more, and Singer certainly wouldn't (he wouldn't have to if there were other directors and he had no hands-on supervisory role).

To crank out as many as Marvel does, you need a Feige-alike.

 

[Mr.M]

Yeah, but you guys have to see the distinction. A bunch of team or ensemble spinoffs ultimately doesn't directly create hype for your "Avengers" event. They'd still be ensemble movies as opposed to solo films. Avengers and Justice League are all-star heroes coming together. Plus, if one of these spinoffs doesn't pan out, why would they even want to touch base with that film/characters in the "event" movie and waste screen time. If audiences didn't respond to it to begin with, then why would they care in a bigger cross over event? And don't give me TIH, since Hulk already has a track record over 40 plus years. None of those obscure mutant titles come close.

The only all-star heroes in the X-Men world are OT characters and audiences weren't outright demanding more stories from them after TLS, which butchered many of them obviously. But it's been eight years since their return and that's why the hype is what it is with DoFP, but there was nothing that actually lead into DoFP, aside from an after credit scene. The Wolverine was a good film, but it wasn't made for the purpose of hyping DoFP. The after credit scene served that purpose.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Whoa so now I have to justify my opinion with the size of my comic book collection???

 

[danoyse]

Whoa so now I have to justify my opinion with the size of my comic book collection???

I justify mine with my picture with Hugh Jackman all the time.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Yea but your picture with Hugh Jackman is cool

I don't know what the size of my comic book collection has to do with anything. Especially since, as far as I know, I've never used my X-Men comic book collection as a fan barometer...

 

[danoyse]

Yea but your picture with Hugh Jackman is cool

Yes it is. t:

I don't know what the size of my comic book collection has to do with anything. Especially since, as far as I know, I've never used my X-Men comic book collection as a fan barometer...

It doesn't. And you shouldn't have to.

Guys, this thread has gone from a discussion to several pages of 'this is why I'm a real fan and you're not', and it's been nothing but nasty.

If you can't grow up and have this conversation in a civil manner, than if can just save everyone the trouble and ditch the thread.

So let's play nice, please.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

So the expansion of the universe signifies quality decline?

If anything it will amplify quality. I don't get why you're an X-Men fan if 80% of the books disgust you. The cosmic stuff, Apocalypse...these things are essential to the X-Men mythos.

And for the record, no, I don't think that any of this stuff is "essential" to the X-Men mythos. In fact, I feel if this stuff was gone, the comic mythos could be taken far more seriously.

 

[def28]

I'm all for looking at the available options, but I think we can't expect more than one movie a year at present.

Wolverine and DOFP are 10 months from eachother, so we are kinda already at that point. As long as they make money I can see them releasing 2 a year.

 

[Crimz]

I just want an African Storm, Russian Colossus, more comic-like costumes and less Wolverine. A reboot isn't needed for that.

That's not too much to ask.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Wolverine and DOFP are 10 months from eachother, so we are kinda already at that point. They have alot of films in the works as well.

Days of Future Past was also being made while The Wolverine was as well. I somehow doubt that Fox is going to have 2 X-Men movies in production at any given time from now until infinity.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I just want an African Storm, Russian Colossus, more comic-like costumes and less Wolverine. A reboot isn't needed for that.

That's not too much to ask.

I would like an African Storm and a Russian Colossus, but no to comic costumes and I don't need less Wolverine. Wolverine over abundance is not an issue that stems from the movies.

 

[def28]

The "this character isnt popular" "rule" is not a make or break thing anymore. There are MANY factors why movies work and why they dont work.

Agreed.

Days of Future Past was also being made while The Wolverine was as well. I somehow doubt that Fox is going to have 2 X-Men movies in production at any given time from now until infinity.

Why? You just said they already had 2 in production. They can have Wadlow on X-Force and Singer on X-Men.

If the success keeps up just means more money for the studio.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Singer already left the franchise once due to X-Men burnout.

You do realize these people aren't robots right?