Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[psylockolussus]

Well for a 2nd film, it would look obvious and it won't feel as fresh as the 1st time it hapened.

In DOFP, since its the first time its gonna happen, it will look interesting, exciting and fresh, but for a 2nd film/3rd film, its gonna look like they are shoving Wolverine with the FC cast film, because the FC cast can't have their own film grossing over $200 million in the U.S. and with the appearance of Wolverine, they might be able to get more. Its more like a desperate move to keep making films with the FC cast.

Unlike with reuniting the OT cast for another trilogy, it would feel more natural, its just like old days but with bigger scope, new bad-ass characters. DOFP should be like the Fast/Furious 4 of this series, the return of the original cast. Then after that, its gonna get bigger with the follow-up sequels, X5, X6 and X7.

 

[def28]

The same could be said for forcing him as the lead in any film though, and non of us have seen DOFP. But fair enough. Agree to disagree.

 

[Naji Assan]

Well for a 2nd film, it would look obvious and it won't feel as fresh as the 1st time.

In DOFP, since its the first time its gonna happen, it will look interesting, exciting and fresh, but for a 2nd film/3rd film, its gonna look like they are shove Wolverine with the FC cast film, because the FC cast can't have their own film grossing over $200 million in the U.S. and with the appearance of Wolverine, they might be able to get more. Its more like a desperate move to keep making films with the FC cast.

A desperate move? Really?

The older cast has 30 minutes of screentime in this movie. Fact. The younger cast has 90 minutes. Fact.

What explanation do you have for your "peak" cast not getting equal or more screentime?

 

[psylockolussus]

A desperate move? Really?

The older cast has 30 minutes of screentime in this movie. Fact. The younger cast has 90 minutes. Fact.

What explanation do you have for your "peak" cast not getting equal or more screentime?

If I were you, I'd be looking at how they are gonna market this film. Sure the OT cast could appear in just 30 minutes, but who knows, they could be the focus of the marketing. They marketed Angel in X3 so much like as if he wasn't going to have less than 5 scenes in the movie.

The first fifty seconds of the teaser trailer felt like a trailer for X-Men 4, don't you think the casual viewers didn't notice that.

And the FC cast will be sharing their screentime with Hugh Jackman and Hugh Jackman belongs with the OT cast.

 

[psylockolussus]

The same could be said for forcing him as the lead in any film though, and non of us have seen DOFP. But fair enough. Agree to disagree.

Forcing him in another trilogy with the OT cast, wouldn't feel forced at all. Its basically back to basics, X1 to X3 days and Wolverine gets the most screentime again.

 

[def28]

Forcing him in another trilogy with the OT cast, wouldn't feel force at all. Its basically back to basics, X1 to X3 days and Wolverine gets the most screentime again.

I think many here would disagree with you on that. Even hardcore Wolverine fans say he should take a break from the team and focus on others.

 

[Naji Assan]

If I were you, I'd be looking at how they are gonna market this film. Sure the OT cast could appear in just 30 minutes, but who knows, they could be the focus of the marketing. They marketed Angel in X3 so much like as if he wasn't going to have less than 5 scenes in the movie.

The first fifty seconds of the teaser trailer felt like a trailer for X-Men 4, don't you think the casual viewers didn't notice that.

And the FC cast will be sharing their screentime with Hugh Jackman and Hugh Jackman belongs with the OT cast.

So Hugh Jackman IS the older cast, and The Wolverine. Brilliant.

 

[psylockolussus]

I think many here would disagree with you on that. Even hardcore Wolverine fans say he should take a break from the team and focus on others.

Well I can tell you people will also complain if he appears with the FC cast for more than 1 film and he gets the most screentime.

And the younger Professor X might be the focus of the film, but that doesn't mean Hugh Jackman isn't getting the most screentime.

 

[def28]

Well I can tell you people will also complain if he appears with the FC cast for more than 1 film and he gets the most screentime.

Not saying they wont.

 

[psylockolussus]

So Hugh Jackman IS the older cast, and The Wolverine. Brilliant.

Umm yes. Even if he gets 10 solo films, it won't change the fact that his first film is with the OT cast. Plus the Wolverine that will spend time with the FC cast already has a history with the OT cast. Its not like we are seeing a different Wolverine that had no contact whatsoever with the OT cast.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

These last few pages of arguments have shown me one thing:

Avengers and the Marvel Universe are the worst things to happen to comic book movies.

 

[psylockolussus]

Not saying they wont.

I'm just being realistic, if they won't take away Wolverine and Hugh Jackman, it also means they won't downgrade him into a supporting character.

But of course I'm still hoping that one day, we would be getting a X-Men film and everybody (at least the X-Men) are given the right amount of screentime and character development even if Wolverine is in the film.

 

[Naji Assan]

Umm yes. Even if he gets 10 solo films, it won't change the fact that his first film is with the OT cast. Plus the Wolverine that will spend time with the FC cast already has a history with the OT cast. Its not like we are seeing a different Wolverine that had no contact whatsoever with the OT cast.

If Jackman is the OT, then what do you need the other six people for? You don't. That's why Jackman is the only actor from the older films that won't be retired.

 

[def28]

But of course I'm still hoping that one day, we would be getting a X-Men film and everybody (at least the X-Men) are given the right amount of screentime and character development even if Wolverine is in the film.

Im not too worried, we will get that one way or another. Just don't expect that box office right away to match other flicks ya know? Flicks with new leads have to build.

 

[Naji Assan]

These last few pages of arguments have shown me one thing:

Avengers and the Marvel Universe are the worst things to happen to comic book movies.

You think Avengers is a bad movie?

 

[psylockolussus]

Huh I never said Hugh is OT. I said he's part of the OT cast. Now you're twisting things again.

 

[psylockolussus]

Im not too worried, we will get that one way or another. Just don't expect that box office right away to match other flicks ya know? Flicks with new leads have to build.

Well if you are referring to a X-Factor, Deadpool and even a First Class 3 film, that is still not the core X-Men movie. They would still be spin-offs to me. I want the ideal X-Men movie to happen with the core X-Men characters.

 

[def28]

Well if you are referring to a X-Factor, Deadpool and even a First Class 3 film, that is still not the core X-Men movie. They would still be spin-offs to me. I want the ideal X-Men movie to happen with the core X-Men characters.

I was talking about a core Cyclops lead team. Be it FC or the OT. As long as those characters (Cyclops, Storm etc) are being developed it makes no difference to me.

 

[Naji Assan]

Huh I never said Hugh is OT. I said he's part of the OT cast. Now you're twisting things again.

No, I'm attempting to simplify some of the convoluted statements you've been making here.

The OT cast is king

The OT cast is the most appealing

Even if the OT cast isn't present for most of this movie, Jackman is present so the OT cast wins

Lead-ins like X-Force, Wolverine III and Fantastic Four will never amount to a billion dollar grossing X-Men movie starring the younger cast

Mainstream audiences will prefer 90-year-old (as stated in the films) versions of Xavier and Magneto over McAvoy and Fassbender because Stewart and McKellen are more "iconic"

X3 was the peak of the franchise and an "event movie"

An X-Men movie starring the younger cast but not Jackman couldn't make a nickel for its grandma

The Marvel/Disney business model that turns d-list characters into billion dollar profits can't work for Fox's c-list characters because they won't feature the OT cast

The "ideal" X-Men movie stars the OT cast

The franchise should ditch the younger cast and make a trilogy of "core" X-Men films starring the OT cast inspired by the Fast and The Furious films

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

You think Avengers is a bad movie?

I think the influence it has had on the genre is bad. I can't stand this new direction of mass produced, assembly line movies to churn out more and more and more and more and recasts and reboots because we have to make these movies forever and can't stop EVAR BECAUSE PHASE I LEADS TO PHASE II AND THEN THE PHASE III EVENT FILM CROSSOVER RAWRRR!!!!

 

[Naji Assan]

I think the influence it has had on the genre is bad. I can't stand this new direction of mass produced, assembly line movies to churn out more and more and more and more and recasts and reboots because we have to make these movies forever and can't stop EVAR BECAUSE PHASE I LEADS TO PHASE II AND THEN THE PHASE III EVENT FILM CROSSOVER RAWRRR!!!!

This is how its always been in the comics though. The crossovers required you to buy a dozen different books but it was always worth it in the end.

With the films, the build up is fun and when you reach that event movie, its beyond incredible.

I can't see how you see it as a bad thing. We're going to start getting X-Men event movies now.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

This is how its always been in the comics though. The crossovers required you to buy a dozen different books but it was always worth it in the end.

With the films, the build up is fun and when you reach that event movie, its beyond incredible.

I can't see how you see it as a bad thing. We're going to start getting X-Men event movies now.

Why do I see it as a bad thing?

1.) I don't like crossovers. I'm reading an X-Men comic or watching an X-Men movie because I want to experience X-Men stories. If I wanted to experience a Fantastic 4 story, or a Spiderman story, or a Thor story, I would go get one of those comic books or pop in one of those DVD's. I don't watch Lord Of The Rings and think "you know what this needs? Some Luke Skywalker. Aragorn really needs a lightsaber duel." And I also don't watch an X-Men movie, or pick up an X-Men comic, thinking about how much I need Captain America to show up.

2.) The nature of the type of reboot people are expecting from X-Men: Days Of Future Past is incredibly disrespectful to me as an audience member. For 13 years, I have been following these movies, and following the journeys of these characters and the stories that they are a part of, and now some filmmaker is coming along and telling me that those movies are now invalid, and that THIS is now the proper version of these characters, not the one I invested in for 13 years.

The reboot movement is incredibly selfish. So what that 2 of the 6 movies were less positively received? You don't have to watch them. I enjoyed them, greatly, and now I am being told that I'm wrong for that, those movies are being tossed out, and now THIS is the proper version.

And yet somehow people can't understand how I'm upset?

Of COURSE I'm upset! 6 movies that I love dearly are now being tossed out and invalidated because a bunch of people on the internet can't get over the fact that they didn't like 2 of them.

That's incredibly selfish, and it's incredibly disrespectful to me as an audience member on the part of the storytellers in this process that my 13 year investment in these characters and their stories is now in vain and means nothing, because "oops, THIS is the REAL version. That other version, that one doesn't count"

Screw that.

All this talk about "reboots", "recasts", "event films", "lead ins", "spin offs", "Phase I / Phase II / Phase III" is killing my interest in both the franchise going forward as well as my interest in even this specific movie. Which is a god damned shame because Days Of Future Past is one of my favorite X-Men stories, if not my favorite ever X-Men story, but instead of being adapted because they thought it was a good story worthy of adaptation, they are slapping the title on it to serve an ulterior motive - to say that all those other movies that I've loved for 13 years are no longer valid.

I've been waiting for an X-Men movie to come along and feature Sentinels, I'm finally getting it, this is exactly the movie that I had hoped X-Men 3 would be to end up being my ultimate X-Men movie, and it's being tainted with all this other garbage.

I'm so over reboots, I'm so over crossovers and lead ins, I'm so over the direction this franchise is apparently headed in in the future, and I'm so over being told that I'm wrong for not liking the direction it's headed, and being told I'm wrong for being upset that the previous 6 movies I love are being tossed out like nothing, and being told I'm not a true fan of the source material because of it.

I'm over it all, and unfortunately, it's making me real over even this movie. They are bastardizing this story that I love to serve a ****ing agenda.

 

[BMM]

Jesus...

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm over it all, and unfortunately, it's making me real over even this movie. They are bastardizing this story that I love to serve a ****ing agenda.

At least they finally seem to have an agenda. It's just sad that

a) they didn't have one before (and didn't think having one was a good idea)

b) it took Avengers to make them decide they needed one

Before this, the films stumbled and lurched along with no real direction. If one did okay, they gave the nod to another one. Directors and writers came and went, the only deciding factor was box office, there was no real concept of vision or planning or building a franchise to make the box office and critical reaction more certain.

For me, the only worrying thing about DoFP that could be seen as 'bastardisation' is the dominant role of Wolverine - AGAIN! But I'm hoping the other characters get some development too.

 

[Fervid09]

For me, the only worrying thing about DoFP that could be seen as 'bastardisation' is the dominant role of Wolverine - AGAIN! But I'm hoping the other characters get some development too.

It would be such a shame if they'd let McAvoy, Fassbender and Lawrence take a back seat for Hugh. They have a really good thing going on here, and now's the time to take advantage of these acclaimed actors and the compelling characters they're playing if they're really serious about passing the "torch" to them.

To be fair though, Fassbender, Bryan Singer and Simon Kinberg have all insisted that the movie focuses primarily on Charles and how he becomes Professor X. His relationship to Erik and Raven will most certainly become a big part of this, so they'll get some decent development too, at least. I know actors/movie creators lie, but there seem to be some support for their claim based on the premise of the movie and the trailer they've shown.