Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[psylockolussus]

No, for it to be a film exclusive to the younger cast you'd have to age McAvoy & Fassbender thirty years. Its easier to use Stewart and McKellen.

And you're suggesting this series to move on with them? Are we gonna wait 30 years for that?

There you go again hiding behind the word "official" to escape a debate. We're here to speculate. Nothing is set in stone until it is but we're not gonna wait until it is to try and figure it out.

Also this belief you have that the older cast is more appealing is based mainly on X3's box office. Appeal and money are not the same thing. X3 is one of two hated X films that drove the franchise into a storytelling hole it luckily escaped through First Class.

Last thing, Iron Man leading to Iron Man 2 doesn't mean those two films are one "Phase". A phase is a series of films that culminate in an "event movie", not back to back sequels.

Hiding behind the word "official" to debate". Thats just funny. So do you want me to talk like I know the next film after DOFP like as if its certain and set in the stone. I'm not gonna talk like you do especially people seem to question about that habit of yours.

And the appeal of the OT cast is not just based on X3's box-office. Check this link http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=xmen.htm and you will see that the films that featured the OT cast are still the most successful and unlike the spin-offs, they actually broke records. Until another cast outgrossed all of their films, they are still the peak of this series.

Adjusted for Ticket Price Inflation
X-Men: The Last Stand $288,033,300
X2: X-Men United $286,956,100
X-Men $234,928,200
X-Men Origins: Wolverine $194,109,800
X-Men: First Class $146,388,100
The Wolverine $136,042,700

And thanks for clearing it out that X3 wasn't supposed to be an event film back in 2006.

 

[Naji Assan]

Hiding behind the word "official" to debate". Thats just funny.

Exactly the reply I expected. I just can't debate with you anymore.

And thanks for clearing it out that X3 wasn't supposed to be an event film back in 2006.

It wasn't. It was just a sequel.

 

[psylockolussus]

It wasn't. It was just a sequel.

Okay.

I guess an event film only equals to superheroes (that had their own film) gathering with other superheroes.

Don't tell me, if Sinister Six show up in TASM5, that its just a sequel to TASM4 and not event film. But of course its an event film for you, because its like The Avengers of the Spider-Man series.

 

[def28]

And the appeal of the OT cast is not just based on X3's box-office. Check this link http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=xmen.htm and you will see that the films that featured the OT cast are still the most successful and unlike the spin-offs, they actually broke records. Until another cast outgrossed all of their films, they are still the peak of this series.

But what happens when they lose Logan? Or FC gets Wolverine. The main draw and appeal has always been Wolverine in an X-Men film guest starring other X-Men. The character and Jackman have always been there. Are the other X-Men anywhere near as marketable as him? Probably not until they build other films without him. But that wont happen immediately.

The only film without Wolverine as lead is FC. First Class box office is probably pretty close to what an OT without Logan will make. Which for a first round and all new cast +no Wolverine aint that bad. Bottom line, if Logan is absent you are not guranteed that box office the OT had.

 

[psylockolussus]

But what happens when they lose Logan? Or FC gets Wolverine. The main draw and appeal has always been Wolverine in an X-Men film guest starring other X-Men. The character and Jackman have always been there. Are the other X-Men anywhere near as marketable as him? Probably not until they build other films without him. But that wont happen immediately.

The only film without Wolverine as lead is FC. First Class box office is probably pretty close to what an OT without Logan will make. Which for a first round and all new cast +no Wolverine aint that bad.

It doesn't matter that much. Wolverine has always been part of the X-Men since the beginning and he had his biggest box-office success with the OT cast. And as if I suggested to take Wolverine/Hugh Jackman out of the OT cast.

And First Class' numbers ain't that bad, but again if Fox were confident with moving forward in making a DIRECT sequel to it, they wouldn't need to bring back the OT cast (especially if some of them are just glorified cameos). They could just include Hugh Jackman and still keep the majority from the FC cast. But thats not the case at all.

 

[Naji Assan]

Okay.

I guess an event film only equals to superheroes (that had their own film) gathering with other superheroes.

Don't tell me, if Sinister Six show up in TASM5, that its just a sequel to TASM4 and not event film. But of course its an event film for you, because its like The Avengers of the Spider-Man series.

I don't even know what you're saying here.

The Sinister Six is Sony's event movie. Why are you suggesting they jump the gun and put them in ASM5? They wouldn't do that. The whole point is to build up to the event movie.

X3 was not an event movie. Days of Future Past is an event movie.

 

[psylockolussus]

How come X3 wasn't an event film for Fox? They promoted it like as if its the last film of the series, the completion of a trilogy, they have Phoenix and bigger scale, they gave the movie a budget of $210 million (the biggest at that time). It also opened with more than 100 million at the opening weekend.

Obviously you don't see it as an event film because its not similar to the premise of the Avengers.

 

[def28]

It doesn't matter that much. Wolverine has always been part of the X-Men since the beginning and he had his biggest box-office success with the OT cast. And as if I suggested to take Wolverine/Hugh Jackman out of the OT cast.

And First Class' numbers ain't that bad, but again if Fox were confident with moving forward a DIRECT sequel to it, they wouldn't need to bring back the OT cast (especially if some of them are just glorified cameos). They could just include Hugh Jackman and still keep the majority from the FC cast. But thats not the case at all.

It does matter though. Cause Fox realizes how much JAckman means compared to the others. If they wanted they could just put him in FC with LAwrence and Fassbender who are obviously other big sellers right now (wait a minute). I dont think the OT is gonna be gone, but Jackman/Wolverine will always be a major part chunk of their box office. Without him there is no proof the OT films would be as successful. A film without him would probably not make much more then FC at this point. Hes the one who makes the difference not the rest of the OT cast. For now at least.

 

[psylockolussus]

It does matter though. Cause Fox realizes how much JAckman means compared to the others. If they wanted they could just put him in FC with LAwrence and Fassbender who are obviously other big sellers right now. I dont think the OT is gonna be gone, but Jackman/Wolverine will always be a major part chunk of their box office. Without him there is no proof the OT films would be as successful. A film without him would probably not make much more then FC at this point.

I don't care anyway since I don't see and want for Fox to release a film with the OT cast without Hugh Jackman/Wolverine.

Sure, they could just put him in FC and help the FC movies to sell more tickets. But still, his original teammates are the OT cast. And in my imagination, the mainstream viewers would prefer to see him with the OT cast than the FC cast.

And about Fassbender as a big seller, his latest movie The Counselor didn't do as well as Halle Berry's latest hit, The Call.

 

[Naji Assan]

It doesn't matter that much. Wolverine has always been part of the X-Men since the beginning and he had his biggest box-office success with the OT cast.

And First Class' numbers ain't that bad, but again if Fox were confident with moving forward a DIRECT sequel to it, they wouldn't need to bring back the OT cast (especially if some of them are just glorified cameos). They could just include Hugh Jackman and still keep the majority from the FC cast. But thats not the case at all.

No.

You don't age McAvoy and Fassbender thirty years when you can get Stewart and McKellen and make for a more compelling movie.

Days of Future Past stars the younger cast. The older cast only has thirty minutes worth of screentime.

The studio is very confident in McAvoy, Fassbender, Lawrence and Hoult. That's why they're in this movie. Because as I said earlier: Fox coulda done a Days of Future Past entirely with the older cast. Entirely. They didn't even bother to do a direct sequel to X3 yet you think they see the older actors as the franchise equivalent to Iron Man.

You're living in 2006 when X3's box office meant something. If your two hundred million dollar movie isn't making a billion today you have failed.

 

[psylockolussus]

yet you think they see the older actors as the franchise equivalent to Iron Man.

Well the franchise peaked with them. Again as long no other cast outgrossed all of their films at the box-office, the OT cast is still the king of this series.

You're living in 2006 when X3's box office meant something. If your two hundred million dollar movie isn't making a billion today you have failed.

Because moving forward with the FC cast, releasing movies like X-Force, New Mutants, X-Factor and Deadpool will help one X-Men film to gross the 1 billion mark. Yeah right. LOL!

 

[def28]

But still, his original teammates are the OT cast.

Neither is Yukio. But thats not my point. Your always making a debate on the OT moving forward strictly cause they made more money. Without Wolverine they don't hold that extra money. And now he could possibly appear in both. If thats what Fox wants.

 

[Naji Assan]

Well the franchise peaked with them. Again as long no other cast outgrossed all of their films at the box-office, the OT cast is still the king of this series.

The highest grossing X film is sadly a critically panned movie.

Because moving forward with the FC cast, releasing movies like X-Force, New Mutants, X-Factor and Deadpool will help one X-Men film to gross the 1 billion mark. Yeah right. LOL!

There's nothing funny about how incredibly mistaken you are.

 

[psylockolussus]

Neither is Yukio. But thats not my point. Your always making a debate on the OT moving forward strictly cause they made more money. Without Wolverine they don't hold that extra money. And now he could possibly appear in both. If thats what Fox wants.

And why are you even mentioning that without Wolverine, the OT cast is weak. Okay I get it, you want to prove a point that the OT cast is not a big selling point and its just all about Wolverine. With the characters that they are portraying, they already have a big advantage over the FC cast.

And push comes to shove, if this franchise keeps declining at the box-office due to the films that aren't featuring the OT cast. What do you think Fox will do next to save the franchise, bring back the OT cast for another reunion. Well its certainly working for DOFP.

 

[psylockolussus]

The highest grossing X film is sadly a critically panned movie.

Yet it earned more money than First Class and was seen by more people. t:

There's nothing funny about how incredibly mistaken you are.

So you think moving forward with the FC cast, releasing movies like X-Force, New Mutants, X-Factor and Deadpool will help one X-Men film to gross the 1 billion mark? t:

 

[Naji Assan]

Yet it earned more money than First Class and was seen by more people. t:

So a bad movie that barely broke even is all you have to defend the popularity of the older cast?

So you think moving forward with the FC cast, releasing movies like X-Force, New Mutants, X-Factor and Deadpool will help one X-Men film to gross the 1 billion mark? t:

Absolutely. One without 90-year-old Xavier and 90-year-old Magneto.

Also, you think after the older cast fails to receive their invitation to the next X-Men film you can stop championing them here?

 

[psylockolussus]

So a bad movie that barely broke even is all you have to defend the popularity of the older cast?

Absolutely. One without 90-year-old Xavier and 90-year-old Magneto.

Also, you think after the older cast fails to receive their invitation to the next X-Men film you can stop championing them here?

Estimate tickets
X-Men: The Last Stand 35,780,500
X2: X-Men United 35,646,700
X-Men 29,183,600
X-Men Origins: Wolverine 24,113,000
X-Men: First Class 18,184,900
The Wolverine 16,899,700

http://boxofficemojo.com/franchises/chart/?id=xmen.htm&adjust_yr=1&p=.htm

I'c agree with you once a First Class film sold more tickets than X3 or X2.

 

[psylockolussus]

Absolutely. One without 90-year-old Xavier and 90-year-old Magneto.

Also, you think after the older cast fails to receive their invitation to the next X-Men film you can stop championing them here?

You seem to have an issue about the age of Xavier and Magneto and as if they will make it clear that those two are over 90 years old! LOL just no! And like I mentioned before, I don't want Magneto back for a 5th OT film and I would appreciate if they already wrap up Xavier's story because he would just eat up the screentime/development for the other OT characters such as Storm and Colossus.

And we are talking about the future of the franchise here, sure I would stop talking about them if we already got a confirmation that DOFP is their last film. But of course that wouldn't change the fact that the franchise peaked with them.

 

[def28]

And why are you even mentioning that without Wolverine, the OT cast is weak. Okay I get it , you want to prove a point that the OT cast is not a big selling point and its just all about Wolverine. With the characters that they are portraying, they already have a big advantage over the FC cast.

Dont twist my words. I think those are great comic characters and actors not weak ones. Hell, I want them to be focused on and Wolverine on the bench for a team flick. They are still a selling point, just not the main one, the GA are used to seeing Wolverine as their star. My point was against your the OT will always rank in more money then FC debates. Add Wolverine to FC and that may not be the case.

 

[psylockolussus]

So majority of the people are just gonna watch DOFP because of Wolverine and the FC cast? Okay.

Never mind that Ian McKellen, Patrick Stewart, Anna Paquin and Ellen Page are in this movie.

 

[def28]

Read my comment again. I'll bold it for you.

 

[psylockolussus]

Well they aren't the main one so thats not the majority.

 

[def28]

...and you completely skip past my main point here yet again which was on box office.

 

[psylockolussus]

...and you completely skip past my main point here yet again which was on box office.

I already mentioned this if ever Hugh Jackman continues with the FC cast, I don't think that could top OT's films at the box-office. And if that ever happens, I think the mainstream viewers would just prefer to see Hugh with the OT cast and stay at the present and not the previous decades.

Plus it would look obvious that they are trying shove Hugh Jackman with the FC cast hoping to earn more money with the FC films. I just don't think its gonna work.

 

[def28]

It would look obvious that they are trying shove Hugh Jackman with the FC cast hoping to earn more money with the FC films.

Even though he stars with them for the most of DOFP? He's still a major draw for audiences regardless.