Days of Future Past Should DOFP be used to reboot the X-Men franchise?

[Naji Assan]

You still haven't answered my question.

My answer is the older cast serves the story. Yes, its a good thing from both a publicity aspect and story-wise.

Do I think the older cast is more marketable than the younger cast? Absolutely not, specially when Jackman is a separate entity that exists in both timelines.

 

[psylockolussus]

Hugh Jackman is not a separate entity, yes his character doesn't age, and the body of his character exist in both timelines, but the Wolverine that we are gonna see from the majority of the film, is The Wolverine that we saw from the original trilogy. Just because he got solo films, it doesn't mean he's suddenly separated from them.

And character wise, the OT characters are more marketable and visually appealing - you have the more iconic bald Professor X in a wheelchair, more iconic Magneto with the white hair, the Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat, Colossus. IMO, its just ridiculous to think the younger version of Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Beast are more appealing than those eight characters.

And if you want to compare star power, Jennifer Lawrence is the only big star that is representing the FC cast. But Hugh, Halle, Patrick and Ian beat James Mc and Michael in terms of star power. And Anna Paquin/Ellen Page are clearly more well-known than Nicholas Hoult.

 

[Naji Assan]

Hugh Jackman is not a separate entity, yes his character doesn't age, and the body of his character exist in both timelines, but the Wolverine that we are gonna see from the majority of the film, is The Wolverine that we saw from the original trilogy. Just because he got solo films, it doesn't mean he's suddenly separated from them.

And character wise, the OT characters are more marketable and visually appealing - you have the more iconic bald Professor X in a wheelchair, more iconic Magneto with the white hair, the Wolverine, Storm, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat, Colossus. IMO, its just ridiculous to think the younger version of Professor X, Magneto, Mystique and Beast are more appealing than those eight characters.

And if you want to compare star power, Jennifer Lawrence is the only big star that is representing the FC cast. But Hugh, Halle, Patrick and Ian beat James Mc and Michael in terms of star power. And Anna Paquin/Ellen Page are clearly more well-known than Nicholas Hoult.

So 90-year-old Xavier and 90-year-old Magneto are iconic? The only comic where Magneto was ever that old was Days of Future Past.

Xavier and Magneto work better in their 50s not 90s. And McAvoy will be bald in the next movie.

You wanna talk ridiculous? Your belief that without the older cast this franchise is dead.

 

[psylockolussus]

So 90-year-old Xavier and 90-year-old Magneto are iconic? The only comic where Magneto was ever that old was Days of Future Past.

Xavier and Magneto work better in their 50s not 90s. And McAvoy will be bald in the next movie.

You wanna talk ridiculous? Your belief that without the older cast this franchise is dead.

The portrayals of Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart in these X-Men movies are already iconic enough. There's no need to debate about that. The fact that you said that they are too old for these roles and they look like they are already in their 90s (which is not true at all) are just atrocious. Their health could be an issue for future movies but as of right now, they haven't retired yet and they are still booking jobs. And just because two of the Ot cast are already in their 70s, it doesn't mean the rest have to stop appearing in X-Men movies. After-all, the X-Men just don't revolve around Professor X and Magneto.

And let me remind you that Fassbender/McAvoy look like they are still in their 30s. From First Class to Days of Future Past, they didn't age that much, in fact there's almost zero difference except for James McAvoy's long hair. There's no telling that they would look like in their 50s in the next film, unless Fox wants to do all that make-up process in the next few films with them.

And again you said it like as its already official, how do you know McAvoy will be bald in the next movie?

And I never said that this franchise will be dead without the older cast. You just can't debate this issue very well.

 

[Naji Assan]

The portrayals of Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart in these X-Men movies are already iconic enough. There's no need to debate about that. The fact that you said that they are too old for these roles and they look like they are already in their 90s (which is not true at all) are just atrocious. Their health could be an issue for future movies but as of right now, they haven't retired yet and they are still booking jobs. And just because two of the Ot cast are already in their 70s, it doesn't mean the rest have to stop appearing in X-Men movies. After-all, the X-Men just don't revolve around Professor X and Magneto.

And let me remind you that Fassbender/McAvoy look like they are still in their 30s. From First Class to Days of Future Past, they didn't age that much, in fact there's almost zero difference except for James McAvoy's long hair. There's no telling that they would look like in their 50s in the next film, unless Fox wants to do all that make-up process in the next few films with them.

And again you said it like as its already official, how do you know McAvoy will be bald in the next movie?

And I never said that this franchise will be dead without the older cast. You just can't debate this issue very well.

"Atrocious"? Hilarious.

Here's why:
1963 - Xavier and Magneto are 30.
2023 - Xavier and Magneto are 90.

 

[def28]

And if you want to compare star power, Jennifer Lawrence is the only big star that is representing the FC cast. But Hugh, Halle, Patrick and Ian beat James Mc and Michael in terms of star power. And Anna Paquin/Ellen Page are clearly more well-known than Nicholas Hoult.

Saw this in another thread. Don't know if I agree with it 100% but Fassbender and Mcavoy definitely hold their own.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/11/17/thor-batman-superman-iron-man-hollywood-heroes/

After looking at the actors and actresses who are major players in current comic-book franchises, we examined their recent box-office and critical reputation when they’re not in costume, and then ranked them in order to see who really flies the highest and has the biggest muscles in the movie universe.

18) Ron Perlman (Hellboy)
17) Aaron Johnson (Kick-Ass)
16) James McAvoy (Professor X)
15) Tom Hiddleston (Loki)
14) Andrew Garfield (Spider-Man)
13) Chris Evans (Captain America)
12) Chloe Moretz (Hit Girl)
11) Henry Cavill (Superman)
10) Mark Ruffalo (Bruce Banner/Hulk)
9) Scarlett Johansson (Black Widow)
8) Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye)
7) Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury)
6) Chris Hemsworth (Thor)
5) Michael Fassbender (Magneto)
4) Ben Affleck (Batman)
3) Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man)
2) Hugh Jackman (Wolverine)
1) Jennifer Lawrence (Mystique)

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

"Atrocious"? Hilarious.

Here's why:
1963 - Xavier and Magneto are 30.
2023 - Xavier and Magneto are 90.

Yes, if we are using a specifically accurate dating and aging system in these movies.

Which we are not.

Because it is fiction.

Not one person outside of this forum is going to even come anywhere close to thinking about that 90 year age.

 

[psylockolussus]

Saw this in another thread. Don't know if I agree with it 100% but Fassbender and Mcavoy definitely hold their own.
http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/11/17/thor-batman-superman-iron-man-hollywood-heroes/


18) Ron Perlman (Hellboy)
17) Aaron Johnson (Kick-Ass)
16) James McAvoy (Professor X)
15) Tom Hiddleston (Loki)
14) Andrew Garfield (Spider-Man)
13) Chris Evans (Captain America)
12) Chloe Moretz (Hit Girl)
11) Henry Cavill (Superman)
10) Mark Ruffalo (Bruce Banner/Hulk)
9) Scarlett Johansson (Black Widow)
8) Jeremy Renner (Hawkeye)
7) Samuel L. Jackson (Nick Fury)
6) Chris Hemsworth (Thor)
5) Michael Fassbender (Magneto)
4) Ben Affleck (Batman)
3) Robert Downey Jr. (Iron Man)
2) Hugh Jackman (Wolverine)
1) Jennifer Lawrence (Mystique)

Thats not even an all-time list.

Its like saying Chole Moretz is a bigger star than Halle Berry now?

 

[def28]

Arent we talking about modern star power? It does matter who is popular right now as opposed to ten years ago or 50 years ago. Berry hasnt had a big film since Last Stand. Hugo and other Moretz films with well received critic scores probably put her in the top. She's very popular regardless.

 

[The Guard]

Not sure where the 90 number is coming from. Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan are in their early 70's. I wouldn't say they look necessarily look quite like they're in their early 80's in DOFP, which is where they'd probably be, given what we know about the characters approximate ages in this franchise, but it's still believable that they are, and I suspect their performances will reflect that.

Either way, I kind of like how old Xavier and Magneto would have to be in DAYS OF FUTURE PAST. It really gives them the feel of having fought this war their whole lives.

 

[psylockolussus]

Arent we talking about modern star power? It does matter who is popular right now as opposed to ten years ago or 50 years ago. Berry hasnt had a big film since Last Stand. Hugo and other Moretz films with well received critic scores probably put her in the top. She's very popular.

You could say the same thing about Harrison Ford not having a hit movie since Indiana Jones 4. And Halle Berry is not exactly a has-been. She's still seen as a big celebrity, she just didn't have a box-office hit since X3.

You have to take note that when these big stars come in 1 room, stars like Halle Berry/Patrick Stewart/Ian McKellen/Hugh Jackman will wow more people than the "current" movie stars like Jennifer Lawrence/James McAvoy/Michael Fassbender. Just look at people's reaction when the cast visited Comic-Con. Jennifer Lawrence/James McAvoy/Michael Fassbender didn't get the most applause.

 

[def28]

You could say the same thing about Harrison Ford not having a hit movie since Indiana Jones 4. And Halle Berry is not exactly a has-been. She's still seen as a big celebrity, she just didn't have a box-office hit since X3.

Sure, was not trying to refer to her as a "has been" at all.

You have to take note that when these big stars come in 1 room, stars like Halle Berry/Patrick Stewart/Ian McKellen/Hugh Jackman will wow more people than the "current" movie stars like Jennifer Lawrence/James McAvoy/Michael Fassbender. Just look at people's reaction when the cast visited Comic-Con. Jennifer Lawrence/James McAvoy/Michael Fassbender didn't get the most applause.

I believe both casts are extremely popular. The difference is that one side have played the characters for a longer time and are fan fav X-Men .Alot of fans want that retained and are more partial with that cast. Which I assume is why you are always trying to tell others how much more popular the OT are and that Fox should just make movies with them. You don't want them gone. Bottom line is The FC actors hold their own even without X-Men, so stop trying to say they don't have the star power or act like they aren't popular enough to hold the series. They got plenty, critically and with Box office. Lawrence herself is growing to be the most popular and successful actress out there.

Either way the series go, we have great casts.

 

[psylockolussus]

The difference is that one side has played the characters for a longer time and play fan favs. Which is why your so defensive on this and always trying to tell others how much more popular the OT are and that Fox should just make movies with them.

Bottom line is The FC actors hold their own even without X-Men, so stop trying to say they don't have the star power. They got plenty. Lawrence herself is growing to be the most popular actress out there.

Sure, the FC cast have enough star power to let a X-Men film gross under 360 million worldwide. And that film didn't get a boost from the X-Men brand.

I never said the FC cast doesn't have star power, find the post where I said that and you win. I just don't think their star power is enough to top the OT cast and I don't think they are bigger than the OT cast.

The reason why I want Fox to just make movies with the OT cast, because they are the original stars of the series. The franchise bloomed and peaked with them. And now that they are back, this franchise is suddenly in much better shape compare to the First Class days.

I'm pretty sure the hype for the 7th X-Men film would be lower than this, if its just featuring the First Class cast and the younger version of the characters we saw in the original trilogy.

 

[Naji Assan]

Yes, if we are using a specifically accurate dating and aging system in these movies.

Which we are not.

Because it is fiction.

Not one person outside of this forum is going to even come anywhere close to thinking about that 90 year age.

Not "one person" outside of this forum? The date 1962 was shown in X-Men First Class. The future parts of Days of Future Past are set in 2023. So people outside of this forum can't do simple math?

 

[psylockolussus]

Not "one person" outside of this forum? The date 1962 was shown in X-Men First Class. The future parts of Days of Future Past are set in 2023. So people outside of this forum can't do simple math?

I'm pretty sure, mainstream viewers don't know their exact age.

 

[def28]

Sure, the FC cast have enough star power to let a X-Men film gross under 360 million worldwide. And that film didn't get a boost from the X-Men brand.

Terrible example. It was a fresh start with a whole new cast. All those actors carreers have grown and your more then aware of this. An all FC sequel would pretty much guarantee a larger box office then the first.

I just don't think their star power is enough to top the OT cast and I don't think they are bigger than the OT cast.

And thats where your incorrect. Things change and the potential is there.

 

[Naji Assan]

Not sure where the 90 number is coming from.

In X-Men and X-Men First Class we learn that Magneto was a teenager in 1944. Both Xavier and Magneto are 30 in X-Men First Class which is set in '62. The future portions of Days of Future Past are set in 2023.

That makes them 90 in Days of Future Past.

 

[psylockolussus]

Terrible example. It was a fresh start with a whole new cast. All those actors carreers have grown and your more then aware of this. An all FC sequel would pretty much guarantee a larger box office.

Yeah like what? more than 500 milllion?

With FC cast movies, Fox will have to settle themselves for like 350 to 450 million, same with the Wolverine movies. But the good thing about the Wolverine movies, is they don't have to spend more than 150 million per film and The Wolverine is a big example for that. First Class will showcase at least 10 mutants per film and with each film, the budget will probably increase.

With more films featuring the OT cast, Fox will probably get $500 to $700 million per film and like what happened in 2000 to 2006, with each film that featured the OT cast, it outgrossed its predecessor/s. That didn't happen with the spin-offs.

So while the OT cast still look good for their age, Fox should advantage of it and make more films with them.

And thats where your incorrect. Things change and the potential is there.

Well I agree to disagree.

 

[Naji Assan]

I'm pretty sure, mainstream viewers don't know their exact age.

Do you even read what you're responding to? Mainstream viewers saw X-Men First Class. Mainstream viewers saw that Magneto was a teen in WWII. Mainstream viewers saw that Xavier was 30 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Mainstream viewers will see that the future parts of Days of Future Past are set in 2023. Mainstream viewers can do simple math.

And also, mainstream viewers can see how old Stewart and McKellen look now. For you to say "mainstream viewers" would prefer two old guys to lead an action movie instead of Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy is more proof that your arguments have zero logic. I repeat, its like saying mainstream audiences would prefer the next Star Trek to star Nimoy and Shatner instead of Quinto and Pine.

 

[psylockolussus]

Do you even read what you're responding to? Mainstream viewers saw X-Men First Class. Mainstream viewers saw that Magneto was a teen in WWII. Mainstream viewers saw that Xavier was 30 during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Mainstream viewers will see that the future parts of Days of Future Past are set in 2023. Mainstream viewers can do simple math.

And also, mainstream viewers can see how old Stewart and McKellen look now. For you to say "mainstream viewers" would prefer two old guys to lead an action movie instead of Michael Fassbender and James McAvoy is more proof that your arguments have zero logic. I repeat, its like saying mainstream audiences would prefer the next Star Trek to star Nimoy and Shatner instead of Quinto and Pine.

So are you saying people will remember their age? When people watch DOFP, do you expect people to say "Look Professor X is 90 years old" "Magneto is 90 years old". They don't even look like they are already in their 90s. We didn't get the exact age of Xavier in First Class and now you're making up this "he was 30 in Cuban Missile Crisis". If you think I have zero logic and then I think you are full of false information.

And there's a difference between Nimoy/Shatner and Ian/Patrick. Nimoy/Shatner begun appearing in Star Trek movies when they were still young. When Ian/Patrick first started appearing in X-Men movies, they were already older than 50 and the characters that they are portraying are old-aged characters in the comics and not 20 something Professor X and not 30 something Magneto. People keep comparing X-Men to Star Trek like as if they are sisters, but there's a lot of difference between these two franchises.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Not "one person" outside of this forum? The date 1962 was shown in X-Men First Class. The future parts of Days of Future Past are set in 2023. So people outside of this forum can't do simple math?

No.

People outside this forum won't -care-.

The same way that people outside this forum don't care that there was 20 years between Star Wars Episode III and Star Wars Episode IV, but Alec Guiness is far more than 20 years older than Ewan McGregor's version of the character.

People outside this forum aren't detail ****es for every single mundane nitpick like we do here.

 

[Naji Assan]

So are you saying people will remember their age?

When people watch DOFP, do you expect people to say "Look Professor X is 90 years old" "Magneto is 90 years old".

We didn't get the exact age of Xavier in First Class and now you're making up this "he was 30 in cuban crisis".

if you think I have zero logic and then you are coming with your own false information.

Okay let's do this again.

1944 - Xavier meets Mystique.

How old do you think Xavier and Mystique are considering mutation manifests at puberty? 4? 5? No, try 12 - 15.

1944 - Magneto meets Shaw.

How old do you think Magneto is considering mutation manifests at puberty? 4? 5? No, try 12 - 15.

False information? No, simple math.

 

[psylockolussus]

And who cares if Prof X and Magneto are 90 in DOFP? Thats not gonna stop people from buying movie tickets.

And we didn't get the exact age of Mystique/Professor X when they first met each other and we didn't get their exact age when they grew up. Saying what their exact age is pure speculation.

And spreading information based on pure speculation is wrong.

 

[Naji Assan]

No.

People outside this forum won't -care-.

The same way that people outside this forum don't care that there was 20 years between Star Wars Episode III and Star Wars Episode IV, but Alec Guiness is far more than 20 years older than Ewan McGregor's version of the character.

People outside this forum aren't detail ****es for every single mundane nitpick like we do here.

So noticing that the characters are in their 90s makes viewers "detail ****es"? Nonsense.

You use dates in films for a reason. They've chosen to give us dates and guess what? We're using them.

 

[psylockolussus]

They gave us dates, but they didn't tell us their exact age.