Star Trek Beyond - Part 3

[Dr.]

Up to $318 million WW now, still not amazing, but more respectable at least.

“Popularity”/ticket sales-wise, the movie has had middling success relative to other Treks (better than Final Frontier, not as good as First Contact). Financially, it seems Beyond will be the first of the Abrams/reboots to lose money.

 

[Grommers]

Double? Nah, but it could have easily been the highest grossing of the new series.

I don't think so personally, I don't know many people who actually liked it from the general audience. Their was a number of gripes I had with the film, Spock again showing emotion, 3/3 movies now. It was a big deal back in the original, and now its every movie.

How they defeat the baddy

Spoiler

is the same way the aliens get beaten in Mars Attacks..who the hell approved this?

The non-humanoid aliens to start the movie, the enterprise getting destroyed....again, the action scenes some were ripped right from fast and the furious (the whole bike transporting scene.)

This movie is a shadow of what star trek is supposed to be about. Getting Lin to direct was the worst decision ever, and it's reflective of the box office. More marketing wouldn't have saved this movie.

 

[Teelie]

There was nothing wrong with the action in this movie except it had a bigger budget than what TOS or most of the previous TOS-era Star Trek movies had (besides which most of the cast were too old to do a lot of action scenes).

It was fine for their age, for this era and for this movie. The marketing dropped the ball. Double the box office is doubtful but it would have fared better and been profitable had they done more.

 

[Octoberist]

I think some of the action was slightly confusing, and wasn't as mapped out as well as it should've. It's a minor grievance though.

 

[Lord]

I don't think so personally, I don't know many people who actually liked it from the general audience. Their was a number of gripes I had with the film, Spock again showing emotion, 3/3 movies now. It was a big deal back in the original, and now its every movie.

With Leonard Nimoy's passing, the emotions shown here were very fitting. This isn't even a case of Spock going from having no emotions to getting exageratedly angry like in the previous films, the way it was handled in Beyond was very much in line with how the original series and films did it.

How they defeat the baddy

Spoiler

is the same way the aliens get beaten in Mars Attacks..who the hell approved this?

A good film having a similar conclusion to a bad one doesn't automaticaly make the conclusion bad. That takes away context, and the way the tactic was set-up well in advance before the third act. From the trailer, i expected the use of a motorcicle and it's music to be some of the worst parts of the film and to feel forced, but instead of that, the filmmakers integrated them well in way that made sense.

This movie is a shadow of what star trek is supposed to be about. Getting Lin to direct was the worst decision ever, and it's reflective of the box office. More marketing wouldn't have saved this movie.

Well...he showed more respect for the franchise than Abrams did, and to be me, Beyond felt truer to classic Trek than even most of the original 10 films did. Star Trek simply isn't respected by most of the public, unlike Star Wars, you do need a lot of publicity to push the general public to see this in the theaters. Box-Office is not a reflection of quality, otherwise, Suicide Squad wouldn't have been one of the summer's biggest money makers.

 

[Kathemy]

Well, in some sense the ability of a movie to attract viewers is a quality. It's probably the best quality for a movie to have if you want to have more of them.

 

[Warhammer]

It's a damn shame this movie is doing bad. Damn Paramount for one of the worst marketing campaigns I've ever seen.

 

[Consona]

The film was so so, thus no surprise.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't think so personally, I don't know many people who actually liked it from the general audience. Their was a number of gripes I had with the film, Spock again showing emotion, 3/3 movies now. It was a big deal back in the original, and now its every movie.

How they defeat the baddy

Spoiler

is the same way the aliens get beaten in Mars Attacks..who the hell approved this?

The non-humanoid aliens to start the movie, the enterprise getting destroyed....again, the action scenes some were ripped right from fast and the furious (the whole bike transporting scene.)

This movie is a shadow of what star trek is supposed to be about. Getting Lin to direct was the worst decision ever, and it's reflective of the box office. More marketing wouldn't have saved this movie.

I definitely can understand with a fan's criticisms here, even though I enjoyed the movie.

Spoiler

I didn't care for the method used for beating the aliens either. IMHO, it was a bit hokey.

You see, playing Rage Against the Machine will cause a chain reaction that conveniently causes all the hive robots to explode. Yup.

 

[DyeLorean]

I liked the film but it lacked "momentum". It didn't peak at any point, I was always waiting for some big plot development or some kind of change or something, but it never came. The movie feels a bit flat to me (the beginning is a good example, it lacked the big score with the main title/logo on screen). Everything is just... there. I like it though. I may see it again, which is something I don't usually say about any movie.

 

[Lord]

I definitely can understand with a fan's criticisms here, even though I enjoyed the movie.

Spoiler

I didn't care for the method used for beating the aliens either. IMHO, it was a bit hokey.

You see, playing Rage Against the Machine will cause a chain reaction that conveniently causes all the hive robots to explode. Yup.

They didn't just explode from that, those devices exploded due to collapsing on each others. Without something to direct them, their directions got chaotic. Since they were all so close to each others, the minimum change in direction would cause that.

Well, in some sense the ability of a movie to attract viewers is a quality. It's probably the best quality for a movie to have if you want to have more of them.

Sure is a sort of quality, but not the major indication of the overall quality of a film. We all know marketing can also play a role, as well as mere spectacle. Which is why the Transformers films make a ton. If you want to go back in time for another example, just look at Cecil B DeMille's career. He made some of the most lucrative films of his time, yet, his last film (The Ten Commandments) is the only one that is still remembered, and it's rarely put alongside the likes of films that floped in their time, like Vertigo.

 

[Iceman]

I liked this film at the time of watching (saw it twice at cinemas) but I don't find it to be as memorable as the first 2 now and it didn't really move the franchise on enough or do enough to attract new fans. I love watching this cast and hope there is some way they can keep them together to make a bunch more films but they need to have a rethink and reconsider what long term direction they want to take this series in.

 

[DyeLorean]

I like the idea of the 5-year mission and how would they change inside that spaceship all this time. The way they introduced that at the beginning was quite interesting. I would've loved to see more stuff related to that long journey, the exploration, a little bit more mystery.
Maybe next time.

 

[TheVileOne]

They didn't just explode from that, those devices exploded due to collapsing on each others. Without something to direct them, their directions got chaotic. Since they were all so close to each others, the minimum change in direction would cause that.



Sure is a sort of quality, but not the major indication of the overall quality of a film. We all know marketing can also play a role, as well as mere spectacle. Which is why the Transformers films make a ton. If you want to go back in time for another example, just look at Cecil B DeMille's career. He made some of the most lucrative films of his time, yet, his last film (The Ten Commandments) is the only one that is still remembered, and it's rarely put alongside the likes of films that floped in their time, like Vertigo.

That's not how it looked watching the film at all.

 

[Lord]

That's not how it looked watching the film at all.

Realy? That's how it looked to me. They extablished that those mini-ships had a directional system, making them all be so precise. But if you slightly change that and make the controler lose control, they will clash into each others, causing those explosions.

I might be wrong, but that's how i understood it from both times i watched it. If the ships just exploded due to the music being in their systems i would agree with you, but to me, it didn't seem like that was the way it happened.

The dialogues specificaly say:

"If we can find some sort of disruptive communication signal inside the swarm, it might inversely affect their capacity to coordinate."

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Realy? That's how it looked to me. They extablished that those mini-ships had a directional system, making them all be so precise. But if you slightly change that and make the controler lose control, they will clash into each others, causing those explosions.

I might be wrong, but that's how i understood it from both times i watched it. If the ships just exploded due to the music being in their systems i would agree with you, but to me, it didn't seem like that was the way it happened.

The dialogues specificaly say:

"If we can find some sort of disruptive communication signal inside the swarm, it might inversely affect their capacity to coordinate."

That sound right from what I remember. The master ship piloted by Krall sent out a signal which made the drone ships do what he told them too. The loud music interrupted that signal in a big way so the drones would just split off and do their own thing. Hence they all smashed into each other and blew up.

 

[titansupes]

That's exactly what happened. They outright say it in the movie.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

For any that care... New TBC up. Celebrate Star Trek's 50th Anniversary.

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[Manofplastic]

I did enjoy the movie. There were a good amount of things that were very enjoyable.

Bones really acted like the original bones, without looking 'corny'. Spock did show a certain amount of emotion, and i must say i'm a bit uncomfortable with that in some levels - it's opposite of what Vulcans should be about. Perhaps in a next movie, it's a base for making Spock 'too emotional' and have him some anger craze that he needs to control. I like the Spock-Uhura mix, hope it stays like that.

there were some 'right in the feelings' moments obviously seeing 'Chekov' is one, then there's the passing of Nimoy, and finally the 'group photo' of the original crew.

As for the story itself, there was some good and some bad stuff. One might think the 'space station' was a bit exeggerated, but the original Star Trek was partially about vision and fantasy, so i had no problem there. The chase scenes with a starship flying 'below water' was awesome too visually. I also liked that ship implemented.

I also liked 'Krall', though I think Krall as 'Edison' should have been used longer. Also, I assume that the 'buddy' from Krall / Edison - the guy fighting Naylah or whatever her name was on a rooftop - used the same 'equipment' that Edison used to 'stay young', therefore, was human too, one of the original crewmembers. Missed opportunity to go deeper in there.

The Nebula scene was a bit odd imho, it was more of a rock formation than a nebula.

I also feel that somehow, Kirk was more of a 'kirk' this time. I really liked the movie, to be honest.

Wasn't as good as the first two, but i generally enjoyed it.

Looking forward to the next one, though i'm curious on what they'll do with Chekov.

 

[Marvolo]

I did enjoy the movie. There were a good amount of things that were very enjoyable.

Bones really acted like the original bones, without looking 'corny'. Spock did show a certain amount of emotion, and i must say i'm a bit uncomfortable with that in some levels - it's opposite of what Vulcans should be about. Perhaps in a next movie, it's a base for making Spock 'too emotional' and have him some anger craze that he needs to control. I like the Spock-Uhura mix, hope it stays like that.

there were some 'right in the feelings' moments obviously seeing 'Chekov' is one, then there's the passing of Nimoy, and finally the 'group photo' of the original crew.

As for the story itself, there was some good and some bad stuff. One might think the 'space station' was a bit exeggerated, but the original Star Trek was partially about vision and fantasy, so i had no problem there. The chase scenes with a starship flying 'below water' was awesome too visually. I also liked that ship implemented.

I also liked 'Krall', though I think Krall as 'Edison' should have been used longer. Also, I assume that the 'buddy' from Krall / Edison - the guy fighting Naylah or whatever her name was on a rooftop - used the same 'equipment' that Edison used to 'stay young', therefore, was human too, one of the original crewmembers. Missed opportunity to go deeper in there.

The Nebula scene was a bit odd imho, it was more of a rock formation than a nebula.

I also feel that somehow, Kirk was more of a 'kirk' this time. I really liked the movie, to be honest.

Wasn't as good as the first two, but i generally enjoyed it.

Looking forward to the next one, though i'm curious on what they'll do with Chekov.

JJ Abrams already said they won't recast Chekov so they'll probably say Chekov transferred to another ship or is on some project for the Federation etc.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Sad to see the movie not doing fantastic. I've never liked Star Trek until the 2009 movie which I loved.
I2D threw me off with that Kahn moment although I loved Benedict in the role.
Don't know what went wrong with this one.

 

[Ozbridge]

Don't know what went wrong with this one.

Lackluster marketing, that's what went wrong.

Despite the underperformance, I still think that Paramount will make another movie. There's something very strange about the ST movies. The first one had an (experimental) budget of 150M, it made a respectable 258M DOM and 386M WW. The second one had an increased budget of 190M, made 229M DOM and 467M (thanks to expanding OS markets and 3D). If we look at these number, this movie (STID) barely break-even from its theatrical release (budget not including marketing expenses). Yet Paramount still made a 3rd movie with (relatively) the same budget. With this movie they completely ignored it with lackluster marketing, and I don't mean "they tried but marketing was ineffective", I mean they completely ignore it. Yet (again) before STB was released a 4th movie is announced. It's understandable if Paramount was desperate and announced a 4th movie to promote the 3rd one and save face, but, like I said, I don't think they were desperate because if they had been desperate they would have cared (which they didn't). Maybe the ST franchise has healthy income from other sources so they're willing to churn out movies to keep those incomes.

 

[Kathemy]

They announced it before STB was released but as far as I know they have yet to say one single word about it after STB bombed.

 

[Ozbridge]

They announced it before STB was released but as far as I know they have yet to say one single word about it after STB bombed.

Well to be fair it's probably in very development and there isn't much hype surrounding the whole franchise. If they say anything now no one will pay attention.

 

[Kathemy]

If they could reassure the fanbase that the fourth movie is in the works, they would do it.