Star Trek Beyond - Part 3

[Octoberist]

Star Trek Beyond would've been a better film if that they used the same script by Jung and Pegg, and still had JJ direct it. I prefer his direction over Lin.

And by all means, I think Lin is legit but outside of his Fast movies (his masterpiece is still Fast 5) and his first film Better Luck Tommorow, he's just an okay director.

 

[ehh]

As boring as Star Trek: The Motion Picture was, I feel like the new Star Trek films could use a bit of that 2001-esque interplanetary exploration. I want to feel like I'm in a deep space travel like in Interstellar but with this characters and an exciting adventure.
Star Trek Beyond started like it could be that (the 5-year mission was a great point to start) but it quickly got reduced to the conventional. I don't know, it didn't feel as big as it should have.

I'm one of the few that really appreciates TMP. It's boring, but as you said, it gives you this feeling that you are exploring and traveling through deep space.

If they can give us a Star Trek film like that, but without feeling "stretched thin," it could really work.

Otherwise, I really liked how JJ directed his two Star Trek films. I think Paramount was too concerned about a minority (the hardcore trekkies) complaining about Star Trek Into Darkness and tried to appeal to them. In reality, Star Trek Into Darkness was a very well received movie and they should have continued in the direction that they were going in, but whatever.

 

[MadVillainy]

Star Trek Beyond would've been a better film if that they used the same script by Jung and Pegg, and still had JJ direct it. I prefer his direction over Lin.

And by all means, I think Lin is legit but outside of his Fast movies (his masterpiece is still Fast 5) and his first film Better Luck Tommorow, he's just an okay director.

I mean he's only directed like 2 films besides those bolded

 

[ehh]

Star Trek Into Darkness certainly has a lot of flaws, but it also took a lot of risks.

I felt like Star Trek Beyond played it safe. While the flaws in the film do not stand out as much as STID, none of the positives feel as big.

 

[Octoberist]

I mean he's only directed like 2 films besides those bolded

Finishing the Game, Annapolis, and a few episodes of the second nasty season of True Detective. It's still hard for me to gauge him as a director. He's talented for sure tho.

 

[MadVillainy]

Annapolis, and a few episodes of the second nasty season of True Detective.

I said films. And yeah I was counting Annapolis, Shopping for Fangs, and Star Trek Beyond. And even if you wanna count TV he directed some good-great Community episodes including fan favorite Modern Warfare

It's just you basically said besides the majority of his filmography he's just an okay director. Which was just weird to me

He's directed 9 movies now I think we can gauge his talents. I think he's good. Not a future Oscar winner but a really good action director. I really enjoyed Beyond too so I think he seems like a good sci fi director

 

[Octoberist]

I like him enough but if he didn't have the Fast movies, he would've been the next DJ Curuso.

 

[ehh]

I thought the action in Star Trek Beyond was pretty boring and generic. JJ Abrams beats him there.

 

[MadVillainy]

I mean but he does have them. And yeah hypothetically you take out the best of someone's filmography a lot of the times it wont be that impressive.
"if JJ Abrams didn't have TFA, Super 8, and Star Trek____"

 

[Octoberist]

Remember these words but I disappear into the shadows - You make me wanna punch myself in the balls!

 

[Doctor Jones]

I'd rather Abrams stayed away. His direction also affects the scripts and his vision for ST was things put in overdrive. As enjoyable as they got at times, they were oto broad and more of a surface level understanding of ST. Lin may not have as great an eye as Abrams, but he seemed to get what Trek was more.

 

[ehh]

I'd rather Abrams stayed away. His direction also affects the scripts and his vision for ST was things put in overdrive. As enjoyable as they got at times, they were oto broad and more of a surface level understanding of ST. Lin may not have as great an eye as Abrams, but he seemed to get what Trek was more.

I don't think it was Lin who got Trek more, but rather Simon Pegg.

I wish we could see another JJ Abrams directed Star Trek film with Pegg as the screenwriter instead of Kurtzman and Orci.

 

[Octoberist]

Yeah I don't think Lin's knowledge was leaps and bounds over JJ's. Lin grew up as a fan and was appreciative of the series, but I him getting "IT" more is slightly exaggerated.

 

[ehh]

Star Trek 3 was going to be written and directed by Roberto Orci, so we dodged a bullet there.

 

[Octoberist]

WE did.

 

[ehh]

Anyone think we will actually see a continuation of the plots in STID, specifically the Klingon war? Seems like wasted potential otherwise. And I really liked Benedict Cumberbatch as Khan, so I would hope to see him return but that is unlikely to ever happen.

I feel like there is some untapped potential with Star Trek. I think it would be a franchise that actually deserves a cinematic universe and an overarching story that expands over multiple films.

 

[MadVillainy]

Nope we wont get a continuation of the plots in STID. We wont even get a 4th film with this cast

 

[ehh]

Hmm I feel like we could still get a 4th film with this cast, but on a more modest budget. I kind of wish Star Trek was over at Disney instead of CBS/Paramount since that's a company that knows how to handle big franchises.

I doubt Star Trek: Discovery will be a huge hit, and the 50th anniversary of Star Trek has been so overwhelming. Such a shame because JJ really rejuvenated the franchise with the 2009 reboot, and there was potential to make Star Trek into something big. Looks like it could be another situation where it starts to collect dust and dies.

 

[MadVillainy]

They don't make sequels with a more modest budget anymore. I dont think a majority of the cast will come back when they wont get paid as much.

Looking at Beyond's reception at the box office, it doesn't seem like people care much

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

As a fan of classic Trek and the Kelvin timeline, I enjoyed Star Trek Beyond.

But I think this was the weakest of the 3 films. I appreciate that it was a tribute to the original series, but the scope was too small. It felt like a really good big budget 3-part episode.

STID was planting the seeds for a huge Klingon War, and I was looking forward to that. They need to get the franchise moving in the likes of Star Wars.

Another thing with Star Trek Beyond is that it felt very depressing. Maybe it's because of Leonard Nimoy and Anton Yelchin passing away, but I didn't walk out with the same rush I got from the previous two. Those movies were bright (literally and figuratively) and felt adventurous, the action was really intense and everything was slick. But with STB it felt mellow and gloomy.

I agree with the all of your post but the bolded does stick out. When Beyond came out people said it felt like an episode of the series and used it as a positive. I actually think it's the movies biggest flaw. It does feel like a TV episode rather than a big budget blockbuster at times. There are spectacular sequences don't get me wrong, but it didn't feel as grand as the first 2 movies.

As stated I do let it and liked it even more upon re-watch. But I do think it's the weakest entry so far. I also agree with the notion that Lin, while he did a good job here, is not as good a director as Abrams.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

They don't make sequels with a more modest budget anymore. I dont think a majority of the cast will come back when they wont get paid as much.

Looking at Beyond's reception at the box office, it doesn't seem like people care much

Paramount did a lower budget sequel for GI Joe after the first one only made only a small profit. I think they may do it for this franchise also as I imagine they don't want to drop the franchise totally.

 

[DyeLorean]

Deadpool showed you can still make a big budget-looking blockbuster without actually having an enormous budget. What Star Trek needs are IDEAS and a strong script. You don't need tons of money for that. Just capable screenwriters.

 

[dark_b]

what they did with Deadpool is something most studios are not doing. they made a low scale movie. the problem is not lowering the budget. the problem is today that some studios think that you can make a big scale cheap movie. We all dont always want a big scale movie where half of the city or half of the planet gets in danger and destroyed.

Posts in this thread are proof IMO that studios are right. some users here think that ST felt to small and contained. they want a SW type movie with ST when they get expensive tickets.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I do think Trek needs a fair sized budget though to do all of the space battles, etc required. I don't think it could be made for a Deadpool budget. But you never know, look at Serenity.

 

[Ipodman]

The problem is that the name Star Trek will forever have a huge nerd stigma attached to it, exponentially more than Star Wars or the Marvel/DC films. By now it's impossible to turn it into some popular action blockbuster franchise that they are trying to do. The Star Trek Discovery tv series that is in production is a wise move.Keep it for the fans only and make it good. The movies can keep coming, but don't expect them to make over 500m worldwide