Star Trek Beyond - Part 3

[terry78]

#GayPanic is fun.

I think those guys are playing at Coachella.

 

[Teelie]

The movie failed because Paramount and CBS both fail at promotion. Paramount took too long to get another movie off the ground then when they did failed to promote it at all. The movie was surprisingly (to some) good and yet the promotion of it still failed to accomplish anything.

If Star Trek as a movie franchise fails it's because Paramount is inept at handling the property. Presumably when it fails as a television series it's because CBS tried to force people into watching their streaming service exclusively for it and no one wants to pay for yet another streaming service with a handful of good series on it and a whole lot of nothing else when Netflix and Amazon are better deals.

 

[regnak]

If the movie had the WB marketing department they would have opened to $100 million. Those people are the best in the business. See BvS & SS opening weekends.

 

[Blade X]

#GayPanic is fun.

The fact that I said that it was bigoted to retcon a straight character into being gay because the actor playing said character is gay disproves your BS claim of "gaypanic".

If it's a minor issue even to you why the preamble that it's a chicken comes home to roost type deal? Very odd.

Because they went against Gearge Takei's wishes and behind his back. It's also bigoted to retcon a straight character into being gay SOLELY because the actor playing said character is gay. It sends the wrong message and perpetuates the bigoted stereotype that gay actors can and should only play gay characters.

The idea that anyone wouldn't watch this film because "they made Sulu gay" is utterly insane.

It's not insane. There are people out there who expect and want the character to be "on model". A gay Sulu is not "on model".

I doubt the general public cares about fan film lawsuits with Star Trek.

Quoted for the truth.

Paramount/CBS are pushing the Trek brand like it's the 90s. If they wanted to reach a larger audience, they wouldn't be using Trek on CBS' streaming service instead of across multiple platforms like Netflix or Amazon.

Marvel/Disney had GOTG cartoon ready to go after the movie so it stays in rotation for kids to be excited about the next movie.

It's not simply the fact they waited 4 years after the reboot movie.

That is a very good point. They should have put out a NU TREK animated series that tied into the new movie continuity.

 

[rayc1971]

this movie is in trouble they did good overseas with into darkness because of benedick cumberbatch was the draw overseas this one not so far

 

[Bruce Malone]

this movie is in trouble they did good overseas with into darkness because of benedick cumberbatch was the draw overseas this one not so far

It didn't help that Idris Elba was totally unrecognizable in the film for 90% of it.

 

[Octoberist]

The fact that I said that it was bigoted to retcon a straight character into being gay because the actor playing said character is gay disproves your BS claim of "gaypanic".



Because they went against Gearge Takei's wishes and behind his back. It's also bigoted to retcon a straight character into being gay SOLELY because the actor playing said character is gay. It sends the wrong message and perpetuates the bigoted stereotype that gay actors can and should only play gay characters.



It's not insane. There are people out there who expect and want the character to be "on model". A gay Sulu is not "on model".



Quoted for the truth.



That is a very good point. They should have put out a NU TREK animated series that tied into the new movie continuity.

I'm not going to get into the Sulu discussion again but..

Yeah they should've attempted at a Trek cartoon series, GOOD or BAD. It doesn't matter.

Also, the toy situation is complicated since CBS controls the merch, not Paramount (which frustrated Abrams). So most of the toys and statues are based on the old Trek, not the new. That's why we haven't seen the Hot Toys statue of Chris Pine.

The only thing nu-Trek has are the Pop Vinyl toys.

 

[Drizzle]

I'm not going to get into the Sulu discussion again but..

Yeah they should've attempted at a Trek cartoon series, GOOD or BAD. It doesn't matter.

Also, the toy situation is complicated since CBS controls the merch, not Paramount (which frustrated Abrams). So most of the toys and statues are based on the old Trek, not the new. That's why we haven't seen the Hot Toys statue of Chris Pine.

The only thing nu-Trek has are the Pop Vinyl toys.

There were toys for the 2009 film but they pretty much clogged clearance shelves for a few years afterwards, which was probably why there was reluctance to produce a lot of merchandise for the new Trek movies. Star Trek just doesn't have the same diversity among its characters as Star Wars does when it comes to toys.

 

[Octoberist]

Trek just doesn't appeal to kids, even if it's more like Star Wars.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

They gotta get past that mindset that if it can't equal SW then it isn't worth it.

Give Lucas credit for keeping that merchandising rights and pumping out toys even when there were no movies or toons. The kids of the 70s/80s passed it on to their kids.

Trek is going to have to think about it in terms of modern successes. That's why the cartoons sell toys in ways movies don't. Scuba diving Batman when no such thing exist in the current cartoon is how they sell toys.

In cartoons, you can create tech/images that will appeal to kids cause you don't have a budget constraining you to the same degree.

A Star Trek drone toy sells for 120 bucks while a Star Wars one sells for under 50. They aren't even trying.

 

[TheVileOne]

What I remember the most about the 2009 figures is that they were terrible and I didn't want to buy any of them.

 

[sueb1863]

A cartoon series would be the way to go to get the kids. Fox kept SW in front of the kids with Clone Wars, as well as chapter books and graphic novels. I work at a library and I had one kid tell me he liked the TV show better than the movies.

If they don't get kids into the franchise then it's going to be a real challenge to perpetuate the audience. The fans of the original show and the movies with the original and TNG casts aren't going to be around forever.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm not sure if a youth oriented animated series is the answer. Would it even do that well?

 

[redhawk23]

They just need to stop making Star Trek with Star Wars budgets or expecting Star Wars returns.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

I'm not sure if a youth oriented animated series is the answer. Would it even do that well?

Avatar/Voltron/Gundam level writing? Yeah.

Nicktoon level?No

 

[Sithborg]

There are some odd opinions about what should be done with the Star Trek franchise in this thread.

 

[Dark Raven]

Just watched it yesterday. I definitely enjoyed it, but it was a bit dark in places and hard to see like when they went back to the wreck of the saucer. Sometimes the camera also moved too quickly so that some things were a blur.

Nice to see that the USS Franklin had a much more retro feel to the bridge. I would've liked if they had gone full 1960s with it. Would've even been nice if they had managed to save that ship and then had it refitted but kept the retro look, and rechristened it Enterprise.

I do wish Kirk had more interaction with Jayla. Maybe he could've been the one stranded with her instead of Scotty, and Scotty had been with Chekov. That would've been more typically like the original series, with Jayla potentially becoming a love interest. I think they seemed to avoid that completely here.

Nice to see Bones and Spock working together too. Sulu being gay was almost completely missable. If they hadn't told us beforehand, one could easily have thought that the person who greeted him with his daughter could've been a family member like a brother, which would be entirely plausible, especially for an Asian family.

How did Krall become more human-looking in appearance at the end after the crash? And how did he suddenly get his old Starfleet uniform? I would've preferred the final fight had Kirk in the mustard shirt and Krall in his alien appearance.

 

[elgaz]

BO is definitely disappointing, as overall it was a very enjoyable film and the first in the 'new' trilogy to really sell me on the solidarity of the Enterprise crew.

IMO however, the trailers really undersold the film. I'm a ST fan for many years, but even I thought the first trailer seemed a bit ................ well, boring. I think with the Star Wars renaissance currently underway with galaxy destroyers, space battles, Jedi/Sith supernatural elements, and so on - Kirk and 'co fighting some aliens on a planet and riding a motorbike just seems a bit underwhelming. I know we had the swarm tearing the Enterprise apart too and the finale on the space station, but for the most part the film was planet based and very down to Earth. The swarm to me was as lifeless as when Fantastic Four and Green Lantern decided that their villains should take the form of massive smoke clouds.

Content wise, the trailers made it look more to me like a generic TV episode brought to the big screen than a true cinematic experience, even though the end result was very rewarding.

If they get to proceed with the 4th film, I think it will need some epic space battles and big narratives to really sell it. The rumoured time travel angle may work well.

 

[Kathemy]

I haven't seen a single word lately about the next movie. I think they've already cancelled it.

 

[Blitzkrieg Bop]

I'd hate for Trek to go on the cinema shelf for a while, but as a new fan, I've got hundreds of hours of content to watch, so I'll be okay.

 

[Iceman]

The swarm to me was as lifeless as when Fantastic Four and Green Lantern decided that their villains should take the form of massive smoke clouds.

I didn't love the swarm either. I don't like it when a big part of the threat has no tangible personality.

 

[Kathemy]

I liked the swarm because it reminded me of a novel of Stanislaw Lem.

 

[GreenKToo]

One thing that has always bugged me is a lack of a GOOD ST video game. I've played alot of them, all are crap imo.
Meanwhile, SW has put out some awesome games.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

One thing that has always bugged me is a lack of a GOOD ST video game. I've played alot of them, all are crap imo.
Meanwhile, SW has put out some awesome games.

The only good one I remember was 25th Anniversary for the PC. And its sequel a year later.

 

[TheVileOne]

Avatar/Voltron/Gundam level writing? Yeah.

Nicktoon level?No

Except Avatar and Voltron are very goofy and they constantly throwing in jokes and humor in those shows. Not to mention all the anime-style super-deformed moments and exaggerated expressions. That style doesn't really fit in well with Star Trek. The new Voltron animated series is also much closer in structure and style to something like say Star Wars than say Star Trek.