TDKR Oscar Chances? - Part 1

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  1. Anno_Domini

    Anno_Domini Well-Known Member

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    So I was re-watching TDKR at a friend's house(and you all know how! Lol), and I think there is some confusion now to some who believe Bruce Wayne losing his money was the top story in that newspaper Fox handed Bruce, but it's not...it was on page 3. It was NOT the big headline for the newspaper, just as how Batman was the main headline for the newspaper at the end of Batman Begins, bumping Wayne destroying the manor to page 8.
     
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    Laying it down like a boss.

    Quoted for truth.

    Only the kind fanboys make up. Nolan could have done both but he didn't.

    Pointless comment to show support. Dark Knight always pop in with the your opinion spiel.

    Quoted for truth.

    Bravo.

    The details of it are on page 3, the headline is on page 1. Ya see it again in Wayne Manor before he screws Talia. He puts the paper on the table.
     
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  3. Anno_Domini

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    Gotham Times - newspaper Fox hands Bruce

    Gotham Post - newspaper Bruce has when he and Miranda walks into the manor

    Two different newspapers.
     
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  4. jmc

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    If you look at the way Gotham is presented in Begins it's actually not unlike how it's presented in TDK, the difference being I think is that they are more seen than heard as opposed to TDK when they're both seen and heard. We see it in the Narrows with the child, on the streets with the Hobo, The Judge in Falcone's bar, the rich folks at the restaurant, and of course Joe Chill, hell even the falafel guy, those people are Gotham, their voices are not nearly as loud in Begins but they are the faces of what's happening to the city within the story. When I and others say 'Voice of Gotham' we don't necessarily mean it in a literal sense, we mean it in a sense of perspective. It's probably not the right term to be using, a better term would probably be 'Perspective of Gotham' which is sorely lacking in Rises. We don't see how things are for Joe Public in TDKR, it's a level of ambiguity that creates an emotional disconnect with the supposed danger that they are facing.
     
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  5. Fudgie

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    Did ya see the headline on that paper? Hmmm?

    Cool so it made the front page of two different papers.
     
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    I know what you mean. But similarly I can point to the Wall Streeters at the Stock exchange having their shoes shined and talking about Wayne, the Wayne Board that featured some of the same faces from BB, Foley's family huddling while Gotham is ransomed, the man who runs the orphanage that is doubling as a shelter during Bane's occupation, the Mayor and the Congressman at the party, Selina's thieving friend and the smug businessman who Crane sets on the ice.

    They both let you know there is a city, but the middle film is the only one where you feel the soul of the city is at stake and know what that is.
     
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  7. Anno_Domini

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    One would say it made the headline on both papers when they don't have any better of an argument :up:

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    Doesn't look like it's about Bruce Wayne's money, does it? :woot:
     
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    Or if ya can't see the paper headline in the movie.

    Congrats ya found a screencap with the obscured front page nobody saw in the movie. Well done.
     
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  9. Anno_Domini

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    Lol, another poor attempt at trying to make your point the right one. Needless to say, the Gotham Times DID have Batman the main headline and not every single paper having their main headline about Wayne losing his money.
     
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  10. Fudgie

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    My point is the right one. Did the flick show a close up of that headline? Nope. Can't even see a headline. Did the flick show ya a close up of the Bruce Wayne going broke headline? Yup. Zoomed in on it on the table in Wayne Manor.

    Am I right? Yup.
     
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  11. Anno_Domini

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    Did Fox say 'Page 3'? Yes. Could someone with a brain realize that Batman was the main headline? Yes. Did I show you solid proof of the main page being about Batman? Yes. Did it show a different newspaper showing Wayne as the headline? Yes. Does that mean not all the papers had their big headline about Wayne? Yes.

    Am I right? I am not right to those that have to be shown everything on film and when something isn't shown, then it's easy to flack on.
     
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  12. Fudgie

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    Yeah so?

    Only if ya saw Batman on the main page. Not obvious or clear in the movie. Can't even see a big BATMAN headline to go with it in your pic.

    It proves that Batman was not big enough news to be on all the headlines like he should be.

    But ya do that's why ya went and hunted for that pic. Ya had to try and prove something that ya couldn't before.
     
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    Nolan talks about how he loves films like Blade Runner that "create a reality beyond the frame" and he tries to do that with his films. The newspaper thing is a perfect example. There are so many little set design things that didn't even make the film (or at least I don't think they did). The Bane propaganda stuff, the Blackgate dedication to Dent, The Wayne Enterprises sign on Trump Tower etc. The reality of the film is much larger than what actually lands on screen, and I think that's very much a part of Nolan's overall M.O.
     
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  14. Anno_Domini

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    Hey, you're agreeing, yay!

    Ahhh, trying to further along your point saying that the word 'BATMAN' had to be on the front page as well, lol. What else ya got?

    Or that Gotham Post just printed a new edition out since the picture shown on the Gotham Post was Bruce walking out of Wayne Tower...which was only taken earlier that day.

    Ya don't know what ya talking about. I've said this many times that Wayne losing his money was never the biggest story of that night.
     
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  15. Fudgie

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    I never disagreed he looked at page 3. Evah.

    Plenty. The flick makes no attention to the headline on the paper because there is none. Just an obscured Batman pic ya can hardly even see unless ya take a screen cap at one shot and stare at the paper to make it out.

    Pic?

    I know what ya said. Ya said Batman was and ya had to go pic hunting to try and prove it.
     
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  16. Anno_Domini

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    Thus, Wayne wasn't the top story :up:

    The flick doesn't make mention because there is bigger fish to fry. Name me one reason Fox would say "You made the front page, yay!!!!". No. It's not needed. Since we have a pic clearly shown what is the main headline, that's all we need to know besides the stubborn ones who only accept fact if it's shown on film.

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    It's during the scene Blake helps escorting Wayne away from the paparazzi and when we see the front page of the Gotham Post, the picture looks exactly the same of Bruce walking out of Wayne Tower earlier that day.

    I didn't have to go pic hunting to prove anything. Only now did I have to prove to you that there were two separate newspapers my friend :up:
     
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  17. BatLobsterRises

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    I love Bruce's Pat Bateman look in that scene.
     
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    In that newspaper.

    Didn't need to. Just show it clearly like they did with the other newspaper. Simple.

    Except it ain't clearly shown and there is no headline.


    Ehhh I meant a pic of the newspaper showing that, not a pic of Bruce walking out of W.E.

    Yeah ya did. Nobody else was supporting ya and ya only saw it cos you rewatched the movie and deliberately looked at the newspaper to see if ya could make anything out.

    Yup and you've still proven that that Batman's return wasn't main news all around. Cheers.
     
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    Good directors tend to do that.

    He fills the world the characters inhabit with a great sense of detail , without spending time with irrelevant gothamites.

    Its called good filmmaking.

    The typical generalization of groups or societies behaviors by creating irrelevant storylines is something a guy like michael bay resorts a lot.
     
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  20. Anno_Domini

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    As long as you know this :up:

    They didn't need to show it clearly either. They only showed the other newspaper because Bruce and Miranda were walking into a manor whose power was going to be knocked off and how Bruce indeed went from 'millionaire to bum'.

    But the pic shows what really was, so I'm fine about that. I don't need everything shown on film.

    I know what you meant, but I can't find the Gotham Post paper. Look for it when you see TDKR again until I ever find a pic of the Gotham Post paper in TDKR.

    Lol, it's fine if nobody was supporting me. That's usually what happens until I prove I'm right :grin:

    Wasn't the main news even if that Gotham Post paper could've been new that day? Yah, makes sense, lol.
     
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    Exactly. It's also a staple of good storytelling in literature and really any and every medium.
     
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    Well if ya want your audience to know that Gotham is reacting to Batman being back by making the headlines then ya need to show it. Ya ain't getting any buzz from Gotham's people about it.

    Except we already knew he lost all his dough. We heard him be told by Lucius. We saw him get kicked out of a board meeting in his own company.

    Didn't need Mr. millionaire to bum headline to tell the obvious after all of that.

    But the pic doesn't pause like that in the movie for all of us to stop and squint at the partially obscured pic on the paper.

    Count on it.

    So ya are used to being disagreed with. I am shocked.

    Quickest damn print of a newspaper lol. He comes out of W.E. gets his pic taken, gets a lift to see Selina, then goes home and he's already got a fully printed paper out on the stands with a photo of him that was taken within an hour as though it was a huge breaking story they had already been talking about in the morning paper.

    Yeah don't think so.

    Except it isn't Otherwise ya are saying BB and TDK did it wrong which they didn't. They did it right. They inhabit the world with detail by using people. People make more life than empty snowy peaceful looking streets.
     
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    There is no right and wrong, it all depends on the context. The storytellers did not think it was warranted this time around, despite it being necessary in the other films. It's all subjective. What they did didn't work for you, but it certainly did for alot of people, so I think they're pretty happy with their decision.
     
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  24. Anno_Domini

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    The audience already knows how Gotham has reacted by giving specific reactions from the patrol officers, Blake, Foley, Gordon, Selina and Daggett or even the news itself when a newscaster was interrupted by another newscaster saying how he believes it's Batman chasing the motorcycles.

    The headline being shown just pushes the idea that yes, Wayne is now a "regular joe" as much as it was pushed when someone yelled out "Hey Wayne, how does it feel to be one of us?" as Bruce was leaving Wayne Tower.

    But yet there doesn't need to be anymore questioning when you can find such a pic.

    Cool beans.

    Until I prove I'm right :grin:

    Quickest damn print? Really? Wayne heading back to the manor was closer to the night time before Batman has his fight with Bane and the meeting at Wayne Tower could've been during the morning hours. That's not a quick print out when something new and unexpected has just happened. It's happened before for that business to spit out a new breaking story.
     
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