The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 2

[Name-That-movie]

Name, more questions! t:

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1. Do we see Bane's corpse?
2. Is Talia's crash well done and memorable, or is it just a quick 2 second shot of her crashing and that's it?
3. What gadgets does Batman use?
4. Does Batman glide off any buildings?

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1. There is never a close up of it, after Selina helps Batman get untied they then go after Talia.
2. It's a pretty intense chase scene. The truck takes a lot of abuse, the whole time this is happening Gordon is in the back of the truck. He implemented a device from the Bat that blocked the trigger that Talia had to set the bomb off. She tried to blow the bomb while she was holding the knife in Batman's stomach.
3. He uses only a couple.
a. The Pulse Rifle
b. A tracking device in the box of his mothers Pearls
c. Small Batarangs
d. Some "theatrical bombs" that he throws at Bane in the sewer fight (These are the explosions around Bane in the trailer)
e. Some device that kills the lights in the sewer during the fight

4. No

Name that movie, not sure if you saw my earlier question, but I'm going to try to ask one more time. If you don't see them this time I'll just assume you're flooded with questions.

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What are the circumstances surrounding Bane, Selina, Blake and Talia learning Bruce is Batman, since you've indicated they all find out at some point. Also curious about Bruce's escape from prison and if he has to fight his way out before climbing the wall. ALSO (sorry) curious about the virus you mentioned and if Bruce ever gets his money back?

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No, Bane is a smart man and put two and two together. Talia has been in Gotham for at least 3 years at this point, one would assume that Bane knows so she knows. Or she knew and told Bane, it's never said how they find out. We find out that Bane when he says to Bruce in the Sewer after Batman says, "Bane" "Enough with the formalities Mr. Wayne". She was working with Bruce to create a Fusion reactor to supply free energy for people around the world.

There are zero guards at the Prison, anyone can try and escape at any time. No one has except one person, a small child that is shown through out multiple flashbacks.

Bruce attempts to climb out of the Prison 3 times.

We are never told if he gets his money back, however at the time he had lost a lot of money before this. Wayne Enterprises had not been making money, they sunk half of Bruce's wealth into the Fusion project. [/SPOILERS]

Sorry it took me so long to answer your questions, I also ramble in the first part. But i had to add the line Bane says cause it is one of my favorites.

 

[Hammer!]

I'm with you. I'm very underwhelmed by all the spoilers I've read. I think though it's my own hype to blame. Everyone treats The Dark Knight franchise like a God send. Many see it as the definitive comic book film series etc. It has a lot of hype behind it.

This being Nolan's last film, I was expecting something truly phenomenal. The way the movie has been marketed, they make it seem like it's going to be an emotional train ride. Hearing people say they've cried during the film was kind of intriguing.

But finding out the scenes that they cried during I think was more brought on by the fact that this trilogy is ending rather than their context in the film. Many are putting Nolan on this "He is one of the best writers ever" pedestal. Sure he is good but this movie does sound a tad bit generic.

It's by no means a bad thing and I'm sure it's probably going to read that way. All in all, I guess I just expected more. Kind of like when I went into Inception. Sure I loved the movie but it was a major let down for me. Mainly because people played it up to be this ultimate mind f*** of a movie. It definitely lacked in that department.

I think this movie is going to wrap the trilogy up nicely and that it definitely will break the chain of "the third movie always sucks" curse. However, I think I'm going to leave the theater underwhelmed because of how much potential this movie seems to have pissed away.

Hopefully I'm wrong Thursday night!

Whew! Glad I'm not alone. Personally I like reading spoilers on comic book movies and then later seeing the finished product. After seeing spoilers and plot details for The Avengers and The Dark Knight I was blown away. That same reaction hit me when I actually came around to seeing the films. I just haven't seen anything about TDKR to match that enthusiasm, but I really hope I'm wrong because I'm a big fan of the first two!

 

[eal2727]

Thanks Name. If you don't mind...

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Is it strange that no one tries to escape from the prison? I guess I'm confused about that part. Does Bane just assume he's too weak to get out? And is that where the chating comes from? How does Blake learn that Bruce is Batman? Also, what's the deal with that scene from the trailer where guys are like dropping into a prison on ropes? Oh, and how badly is Batman injured when she stabs him?

 

[TheFireRises2]

Name

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when and how are the mayor and Pavel killed? Also, am i correct in assuming that Alfred has very little screen time as he has limited scenes or are his scenes long enough and emotional enough that it leaves an impact? Also when does he say "it takes a while to get back into the swing of things"?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Thanks Name. If you don't mind...

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Is it strange that no one tries to escape from the prison? I guess I'm confused about that part. Does Bane just assume he's too weak to get out? And is that where the chating comes from? How does Blake learn that Bruce is Batman? Also, what's the deal with that scene from the trailer where guys are like dropping into a prison on ropes?

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The shot from the teaser of someone climbing up a well, is the first time we someone trying to escape. It is a random prisoner. People try to escape all the time, but there is a jump that has to be made half way up that nobody can make. Only the small child was able to make it, the reason why is very simple and genius at the same time. The person we see dropping, is not trying to get in to the Prison. It is someone trying to get out. When people try to escape the prison all the other prisoners watch from the bottom and chant "Deshay” and “pasha" as the person try's to escape. Bane knows that no one has escaped the prison before, he has just "broken" Bruce's back. Even though all he did was screw up his lower vertebrate but the point is still the same. No one escapes from Hell, that is what Bane calls it.

 

[Name-That-movie]

Name

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when and how are the mayor and Pavel killed? Also, am i correct in assuming that Alfred has very little screen time as he has limited scenes or are his scenes long enough and emotional enough that it leaves an impact? Also when does he say "it takes a while to get back into the swing of things"?

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They are both killed at the Football game, The Mayor is blown up in his suite, and Dr. Pavel is killed in front of everyone after he answers some quesions by Bane.

Alfred has plenty of screen time, all his stuff is packed in the first hour and last 10 minutes.

He says that after he has to come and pick Bruce up from the Benefit after "His wife" says he will take a cab.

 

[TheFireRises2]

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They are both killed at the Football game, The Mayor is blown up in his suite, and Dr. Pavel is killed in front of everyone after he answers some quesions by Bane.

Alfred has plenty of screen time, all his stuff is packed in the first hour and last 10 minutes.

He says that after he has to come and pick Bruce up from the Benefit after "His wife" says he will take a cab.

Gotcha man-thanks! Also, this is an opinion question not a spoiler, who do you consider to be this films Ledger? Which actor successfully steals each scene and pretty much demands full audience attention each second they are on screen? Is there someone equivalent to Heath in this film or is he on a level all his own? I would love to hear your thoughts!

 

[eal2727]

Name

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First, thanks so much. I have friends who think I'm crazy for wanting spoilers, but it makes the movie better for me. I think comparing the image in my head from your description with the actual scenes is what makes it cool. Anyway, that description was absolutely incredible. I thought I saw a bunch of people falling at once in the trailer, but your description makes sense and seems really cool. It sounds like Bruce really has to go through hell and exorcise all his demons just to be able to go up against Bane a second time. Anything about how Blake first finds out Bruce's identity?

 

[xbs2034]

Inb4 ****storm of comments scolding you and saying that reading a synopsis is very different from seeing play out on film.

Honestly, the only things that bother me are that [BLACKOUT]all of the spoilers I had been reading for a week from R2 seem to have been true[/BLACKOUT], and [BLACKOUT]the Robin thing. I would probably accept it if he was, say, a cop named Richard Grayson, but just tacking "Robin" in at the end really seems disrespectful to the character for me. I'd rather he be a spiritual Robin, a cop sidekick, than also a character who happens to have been named Robin. That's something I've opposed ever since JGL was cast.[/BLACKOUT] I have no reason to doubt Name, but that's one of the things that makes me want to, and hope theShape is just playing along so that
we've got a ball of thread to bat around until we see the movie.

While it does sound a bit cheesy I think it is probably the best way to do that. I get the sense that as with

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Catwoman, Nolan was unsure about including Robin in his series and only decided to do so because he wanted to create a "complete" Batman mythos, and Robin is too important a character in Batman history to leave out in such a mythos. And so that line is in there to quickly acknowledge that the Robin-like character really is Nolan's version of Robin, which may not otherwise be apparent given how many changes he is making from the comic book character.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Man, I gotta admit. At first I was beyond petrified about the ending but reading through all these reviews (praising the hell out of it), I can't say I'm worried anymore.

 

[thelostwayne]

Thanks Name, if you dont mind


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hen Bruce is dreaming, and Ras appears in his dream, what is it about?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Name

Spoiler

First, thanks so much. I have friends who think I'm crazy for wanting spoilers, but it makes the movie better for me. I think comparing the image in my head from your description with the actual scenes is what makes it cool. Anyway, that description was absolutely incredible. I thought I saw a bunch of people falling at once in the trailer, but your description makes sense and seems really cool. It sounds like Bruce really has to go through hell and exorcise all his demons just to be able to go up against Bane a second time. Anything about how Blake first finds out Bruce's identity?

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Blake comes to Wayne Manor to tell Bruce about Gordon being shot and in the hospital. He knocks on the door and Alfred says that Bruce isn't taking any visitors. Blake says that he could go downtown and get a warrant about Harvey Dent. Alfred quickly lets him in after this is said.

Once he's into talk with Bruce, he tells him about Gordon and then Bruce says something about what he can do. Blake says he needs you, he needs Batman. He tells a story about how when he was a kid Bruce came to the Boys home and he had a hot woman on his arm and all the boys would make up stories about him. He knew though that was more behind the smile on his face, cause he had done the same thing. Hiding the pain. I'm not going to say the whole thing, as it's a pretty good speech. Bruce never acknowledges directly that he is Batman at this point to Blake.

Gotcha man-thanks! Also, this is an opinion question not a spoiler, who do you consider to be this films Ledger? Which actor successfully steals each scene and pretty much demands full audience attention each second they are on screen? Is there someone equivalent to Heath in this film or is he on a level all his own? I would love to hear your thoughts!

This is a very simple one for me, BANE. Tom Hardy owns this role, he is just spectacular. I love the Joker, but for me Bane is a great villain.

 

[Name-That-movie]

Thanks Name, if you dont mind


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hen Bruce is dreaming, and Ras appears in his dream, what is it about?

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It is a dream, Ra's talks about a few things. Confirms he is the father of the child that was born in the prison and that the woman in the prison that had the child is his true love that he told Bruce about in Begins. The first thing he tells Bruce is that he told him he was immortal, but immortality comes in many forms.

 

[eal2727]

Name, every time you talk about this movie I get more excited. People have their own opinions and expectations I guess, but to me it seems amazing.

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Is Batman badly injured when he gets stabbed or does the suit protect him? He must be reasonably OK to get up and get bomb into the water?

 

[protocida]

Name,

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What's Catwoman's connection to Bane. Is she a member of his men or just someone he hired for the particular job? And what motivates her to change sides?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Name, every time you talk about this movie I get more excited. People have their own opinions and expectations I guess, but to me it seems amazing.

Spoiler

Is Batman badly injured when he gets stabbed or does the suit protect him? He must be reasonably OK to get up and get bomb into the water?

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He's in pain, doesn't fight against Talia. After she stabs him and holds the knife there he looks and her and in Bruce voice says "Miranda, why?" You can see the pain of betrayed on his face.

 

[TheFireRises2]

this is a very simple one for me, bane. Tom hardy owns this role, he is just spectacular. I love the joker, but for me bane is a great villain.

you have no idea how happy that makes me

 

[eal2727]

Name, question about something not necessarily spoiler-centric:

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I read an interview recently that was done with all the major production people for the film. Not Nolan, but most others. One guy said that Bane and Batman are kind of like two sides of the same coin (paraphrase) because they're both traumatized, angry, etc. Obviously they take it out in opposite ways. Then he says, you could make the argument that the title, The Dark Knight Rises, could actually apply at times to four different characters in the movie. Obviously Bruce is one. Bane is one, because he is a REALLY dark character who sees himself probably as noble. There's Blake, who literally rises at the end and at least COULD become the next Batman, Robin, Nightwing, whatever. I'm wondering who the fourth is. Maybe Selina, as she rises from a life of crime to do good? Maybe Gordon, as he has been jaded and gets shot but ultimately rises to help Batman save the city? Do you have any thoughts?

 

[thelostwayne]

Thanks Name, also if you dont mind,

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Is it explain how Bane gets a hold of the tumblers and the bomb?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Name,

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What's Catwoman's connection to Bane. Is she a member of his men or just someone he hired for the particular job? And what motivates her to change sides?

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She is not a member of his group. She was hired by Daggett, who is the one that brought Bane to Gotham to steal Bruce's fingerprints. They are to kill her at the exchange, however she outsmarts them. Bane's men are sent to finish the job. She makes a deal with Bane to lead Batman to him in exchange for them to leave her alone.

She doesn't know that Bruce is Batman, he comes to her as a middle man for Batman and her. Saying that his "Powerful Friend" needs her helping finding Bane. When Bane says "Mr. Wayne" She is shocked that Bruce is Batman. After she watches Bane destroy Bruce she is crushed, she did not know that was what was going to happen to him, after this she try's to flee the city. She only looks out for herself, but she realizes she has some feelings for Bruce/Batman and she runs from those. She's also trying to clean her record, she was promised a payment from Daggett of software that can make her "disappear" He really doesn't have this tech though. Bruce however....

 

[Name-That-movie]

Please take some time to read some of my other answers. I have already answered that thelostwayne.

 

[Name-That-movie]

Name, question about something not necessarily spoiler-centric:

Spoiler

I read an interview recently that was done with all the major production people for the film. Not Nolan, but most others. One guy said that Bane and Batman are kind of like two sides of the same coin (paraphrase) because they're both traumatized, angry, etc. Obviously they take it out in opposite ways. Then he says, you could make the argument that the title, The Dark Knight Rises, could actually apply at times to four different characters in the movie. Obviously Bruce is one. Bane is one, because he is a REALLY dark character who sees himself probably as noble. There's Blake, who literally rises at the end and at least COULD become the next Batman, Robin, Nightwing, whatever. I'm wondering who the fourth is. Maybe Selina, as she rises from a life of crime to do good? Maybe Gordon, as he has been jaded and gets shot but ultimately rises to help Batman save the city? Do you have any thoughts?

That is interesting, didn't think about that. However it does make sense. I'd probably say Selina is the 4th.

 

[herecomes]

Thanks Name, also if you dont mind,

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Is it explain how Bane gets a hold of the tumblers and the bomb?

My guess is that

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since Fox has all the "inventions" in his bunker and Miranda/Talia knows about it and has access to it… well… 2+2=4

 

[eal2727]

Yeah, it's a cool interview. One last question, then off to sleep:

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There's a quick shot in the preview where it appear Selina, in costume, is looking through bars sort of with pity at someone. Is this after Bruce gets battered?

 

[Name-That-movie]

Yeah, it's a cool interview. One last question, then off to sleep:

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There's a quick shot in the preview where it appear Selina, in costume, is looking through bars sort of with pity at someone. Is this after Bruce gets battered?

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This is while the fight is happening