The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 2

[kthevs]

To not beat a dead horse, I think the main point is,

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this movie is not a romance but about Bruce and coming to terms with where his choice to be Batman has led him, and so the interraction with Bruce/Selina Bat/Cat romance/connection serves its place because Selina's character is also looking for a fresh start away from her mistakes and misfortune, and their 'romance' isn't something that is really hammered home with a mallet. (Let's face it, Romance onscreen isn't one of Nolan's strong points) It is there, hinted at, a connection shown, a ying and yang and a spark, that's clear,--they share two kisses--both initiated by Selina, and yet she also lures him to Bane where he is nearly killed but then saves his life later, so the end is there for people to go with and interpret however they see fit as far as what else might transpire between these two complicated characters.

All this talk is really about a scene that is described as 3 seconds long with Selina not being the focus but moreso Bruce, and again the nod to Alfred calling back to their earlier chat and again showing Alfred that Bruce is alive and will be 'okay'. Yes, it is closure that Bruce is hanging up Batman and will in fact be living 'a normal life' (as normal as one can be given his past and personality) whereas the same can be said for Selina. I think that's where the splitting hairs come in. Shippers in the Bat/Cat camp will see it as finally the two settling down forever because they have no more barriers, but others who are more focused on Bruce's inner motivation and character as a whole (outside romantic endeavors) may doubt he (and arguably Selina) are capable of ever being domesticated in the manner most of us are familiar with. Even if despite the fact that the obstacles that keep them apart are removed, they may in fact learn that was which also connected them. I think even Bale hints in his interviews that Bruce would never really ever hang up the Bat because he seems to be game for another if Chris finds the right script--even mentioning The Dark Knight Returns as an option when he gets a little more up in years. And they do make a point in the movie to mention that the Wayne Estate can't be closed so there is also that hint...

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Except that Emma Thomas basically said that she doesn't see any situation where Nolan would direct another one. Hell, Maggie G was asked if she would like to come back for part 3, and she said if they wanted her, she would love to be back. Later we found out the she bites the dust. It's just something that actors say. It's a PR wrap. This is the end. The final. Nolan has said that several times. After this movie, it simply wouldn't make sense for Bruce to become Batman again in Nolan's world. It's a conclusion to Bruce, not a continuation.

As for your other thing, whether they will stay together is impossible to know. The fact is that they are together during the cafe part and Alfred sees this. So that's what it is for the forseeable future. What happens after that, years and years down the road, none of us have any way of knowing that. THAT is the only part open for interpretation.

 

[VOLCHKOV]

I have a question:

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How does Bruce's back get healed? Obviously Bruce can't walk on his own & go to a doctor. Plus I doubt Bane would take him to a doctor right after "breaking" him. If Bane does throw him into a prison, wouldn't he instruct any physicians there to not do anything to Bruce in order to keep the injury "permanent"?

 

[Ferd]

I have a question:

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How does Bruce's back get healed? Obviously Bruce can't walk on his own & go to a doctor. Plus I doubt Bane would take him to a doctor right after "breaking" him. If Bane does throw him into a prison, wouldn't he instruct any physicians there to not do anything to Bruce in order to keep the injury "permanent"?

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When he is in prison, there is a doctor there who is told by Bane to make sure Bruce doesn't die so his pinishment can continue. He is the one who 'sets/fixes' Bruce's back (with somehow involving the scene where Bruce is strung up with rope like we see in the trailer when he screams 'Noooooo!' (clearly it's painful to endure and he passes out which leads to the dream sequence) and while he's recovering he is in prison and can see the demise of Gotham via TV (which is part of his punishment--seeing Gotham turn to ashes basically)

 

[KalMart]

So I've remained spoiler-free for the most part, thankfully. But you can't help but stumble across a few (like when posting in a thread like this ). One, which implies that...

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Batman dies buy Wayne lives on to lead a future underground 'league of shadows' type organization, a la Dark Knight Returns...

...is something I suggested years back. So as cool as it could be, I kinda' hope it won't be because I won't be that surprised. But this could have been just a baseless rumour/speculation thrown out there.

 

[floreairfoot]

Are you talking about

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the bit with the apple? If so, then yes, it's in the movie from what I've heard.

Great, thanks.

I just didn't want to wait for it to happen, when it's not there.

 

[Ferd]

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Except that Emma Thomas basically said that she doesn't see any situation where Nolan would direct another one. Hell, Maggie G was asked if she would like to come back for part 3, and she said if they wanted her, she would love to be back. Later we found out the she bites the dust. It's just something that actors say. It's a PR wrap. This is the end. The final. Nolan has said that several times. After this movie, it simply wouldn't make sense for Bruce to become Batman again in Nolan's world. It's a conclusion to Bruce, not a continuation.

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I think you missed the point I was trying to make. I was just saying it seems Bale interprets the end as an open ended possibility for Bruce to return to the cowl one day just as Bruce does in 'The Dark Knight Rises' (when Bruce is older.) That's all, I wasn't suggesting I think there will in fact be another movie--just to be clear.

 

[herecomes]

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Except that Emma Thomas basically said that she doesn't see any situation where Nolan would direct another one. Hell, Maggie G was asked if she would like to come back for part 3, and she said if they wanted her, she would love to be back. Later we found out the she bites the dust. It's just something that actors say. It's a PR wrap. This is the end. The final. Nolan has said that several times. After this movie, it simply wouldn't make sense for Bruce to become Batman again in Nolan's world. It's a conclusion to Bruce, not a continuation.

As for your other thing, whether they will stay together is impossible to know. The fact is that they are together during the cafe part and Alfred sees this. So that's what it is for the forseeable future. What happens after that, years and years down the road, none of us have any way of knowing that. THAT is the only part open for interpretation.

I think the poster was refering to just as an open ended thing, not necessarily that Nolan will direct a new movie or that we will see this Batman again. I think that will be one of the things that we can all imagine in our heads, what if this, what if that, and be happy with our own interpretation of what, based on what we last see of this film, the lives of the characters turn out to be in the end.

I like your second point, we know that at least for that moment in time, that happens and those characters are both there at the same time, what happens next is like you said and I said above, we all make our own little story.

 

[herecomes]

So I've remained spoiler-free for the most part, thankfully. But you can't help but stumble across a few (like when posting in a thread like this ). One, which implies that...

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Batman dies buy Wayne lives on to lead a future underground 'league of shadows' type organization, a la Dark Knight Returns...

...is something I suggested years back. So as cool as it could be, I kinda' hope it won't be because I won't be that surprised. But this could have been just a baseless rumour/speculation thrown out there.

That hasn't been something that I've read or something that has been discussed here (the part about the underground organization ala DKR). For the most part, unless someone that has actually seen the movie comes and tells that story here (which a couple people that have seen it haven't mentioned anything remotely like that), we can agree to say that it is not the case.

 

[Stewart48]

Hope no one read the spoilers, sorry if you did,I hit the slash through command instead of the spoilers tag

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This all sucks for Batman/Talia fans
Did they just use the name talia to drum up extra fan excitement or could she just as easily kept the name miranda tate throughout the movie. Always loved the Batman Talia angle until recently in the comics, but continue to love the classic portrayal.
This all kind of irks me. Know I'll love the movie though

Finally got it right
Sorry

 

[Patty]

can someone explain the apple bit to those of us who dont have time for comics?

 

[jb007]

No time for comics? I can't imagin. I mean their even on line.

 

[Great Mind(s)]

In the comics, Selina was raised on an apple orchard....it's just a shout out to her comic book origins

 

[Patty]

No time for comics? I can't imagin. I mean their even on line.

3 year old. I have the laptop on the kitchen counter as Im cleaning the house, picking up breakfast, playing with him and trying to pick out lunch.

 

[iamfourfivesix]

can someone explain the apple bit to those of us who dont have time for comics?

LOL - you don't have time for comics but you have time to post 1,000 times on here?

 

[KalMart]

That hasn't been something that I've read or something that has been discussed here (the part about the underground organization ala DKR). For the most part, unless someone that has actually seen the movie comes and tells that story here (which a couple people that have seen it haven't mentioned anything remotely like that), we can agree to say that it is not the case.

If so, I'm actually glad, as I want it to be a surprise.

 

[Patty]

LOL - you don't have time for comics but you have time to post 1,000 times on here?

thats less than one post a day on average. and its easy to break away for 20 seconds to read and respond. not so much to sit down and digest a series of comics.

 

[herecomes]

Hope no one read the spoilers, sorry if you did,I hit the slash through command instead of the spoilers tag

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This all sucks for Batman/Talia fans
Did they just use the name talia to drum up extra fan excitement or could she just as easily kept the name miranda tate throughout the movie. Always loved the Batman Talia angle until recently in the comics, but continue to love the classic portrayal.
This all kind of irks me. Know I'll love the movie though

Finally got it right
Sorry

Well, certainly those that have some affection for the character will have a different take on it, but my feeling is that the character serves a purpose.

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She infiltrates Wayne's company and has her own agenda. In the end she reveals to Batman/Bruce, in a very clear way, what her intentions are.

I also enjoy her from the comics but mostly from the animated series and even though I always thought of her as not necessarily a villian but someone that cares for real for Bruce, eventually you can't have every character be bad to the world but good to Bruce or bad their whole lifes and then good in the end, so the fact that Talia pretty much goes bad on Batman for me works. I like that she had a clear idea of what she was doing from the beginning and she wasn't someone that left her goals of avenging her father, destroying Gotham and Bruce just because she fell in love. I like how she in the end sticks to her plan, for better or worse, and how she was playing Wayne the entire time.

Sorry I got carried away. I guess she could have kept the name Miranda Tate and never have her be the daughter but they did it to tie it to BB and also Bane is pretty much in the organization. So I am content with the way things turned out, if indedd they do turn out like that.

 

[eal2727]

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Anyone who's seen the movie.....is there a point in time, maybe Bane's speech where he's holding Dent's picture, when all of Gotham learns Batman was not responsible for the murders?

 

[xbs2034]

Two interestings I saw in the Time Magazine review are that Blake's

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father was a cop who died the same night Dent did. Does this mean he was one of the cops killed by Two-Face who Batman took the blame for (Wurtz or the second one who was never made clear), since as far as I could tell no cops were killed on the assault on The Joker's hideout, and it feels like an unneeded coincidence to include if he had just been killed at some random event that same night.

And they also said that Juno Temple was playing Holly. But if it is a small role they may not have caught her name and just look at who she was said to be playing on-line and include that (Time is not great on their facts for Batman reviews, I remember when they called Begins a prequel to Burton's 1989 film in their review for instance).

 

[Patty]

his dad probably died when joker used his cell phone bomb

 

[Broseph44]

3 year old. I have the laptop on the kitchen counter as Im cleaning the house, picking up breakfast, playing with him and trying to pick out lunch.

I love how people always use their kids and stuff going on in their life as an excuse. You're telling me ya can't read a couple pages of a comic once a day or on the weekends. You make time to get on here and post replys to topics. Not that difficult. Just cause you've got a 3 year old and doing all your errands and what not. We all have busy lives for the most part. I work a crappy midnight shift.

 

[UltraThunderMan]

Ultra,

In regards to your question, I took it as

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for most of the movie we are told that only one person escaped the prison and we as the audience are all meant to assume it was Bane, but near the end of the movie we find out that it was actually Talia that escaped. I think that's one of the twists.

I see everyone blatantly ignored my post except for one person apparently. That's alright, you guys believe what you want, but it is strange.

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The movie reviewer directly says that only one person escaped and it was bane, not talia, and it was bane as a child. Now unless bane escaped as a child and got caught again and put back in the same prison, this reviewer isn't telling the truth or ntm isn't telling the truth.

It doesn't make any sense for talia to be in there to begin with. Why would a female child be in a prison? Also, ntm said that the other prisoners beat bane up for helping her escape but also said that whenever someone tries to escape, the prisoners chant to encourage them basically. That doesn't add up. He also said that it was in blackgate prison, but later after that said it appeared to be around china or mongolia.

I guess we'll see in a couple of days.

 

[Patty]

I love how people always use their kids and stuff going on in their life as an excuse. You're telling me ya can't read a couple pages of a comic once a day or on the weekends. You make time to get on here and post replys to topics. Not that difficult. Just cause you've got a 3 year old and doing all your errands and what not. We all have busy lives for the most part. I work a crappy midnight shift.

When I do get the time to mess around I do other things that I enjoy... I dont really care for video games or reading comics that much (besides the walking dead) and if I read a few pages a day Id have no idea what was going on in the story. Id either have to sit down and read an entire comic book or wait for a director to come and cherry pick the best stuff, and i choose the latter. IDK, personal preference I guess. I dont like comics enough to spend what little free time I have on them, but if I had more free time Imight pick up a graphic novel or something, thats what im trying to say.

 

[StarLord]

I love how people always use their kids and stuff going on in their life as an excuse. You're telling me ya can't read a couple pages of a comic once a day or on the weekends. You make time to get on here and post replys to topics. Not that difficult. Just cause you've got a 3 year old and doing all your errands and what not. We all have busy lives for the most part. I work a crappy midnight shift.

No need to have a go at the guy.

 

[Ferd]

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Anyone who's seen the movie.....is there a point in time, maybe Bane's speech where he's holding Dent's picture, when all of Gotham learns Batman was not responsible for the murders?

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Yes, we have been told than Gordon wrote out the truth about Harvey and was going to deliver it as part of his speech, and resignation, at the Harvey Dent day gathering. He then re-decides, but still has it all written out on a paper in his pocket. When he is captured by Bane's mercs it is discovered and the truth is later revealed by Bane in the bit you describe with him holding Harvey's picture.