The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 3

[m1000be]

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I get that, but Robin =/= Batman, and it was pretty heavily implied that Batman could be anyone and could essentially live forever. Why not just be John Blake? Why does he have to be Robin?

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It's a nod to the fans who have wanted Robin in the series. That's all. A send off for the Batman trilogy an attempt to mix comic mythos up and still appeal to fans who want to scream, "BUT WE NEVER SEEN ROBIN!!!". And seeing how Robin has taken over the mantle before, it's not *That* big of a stretch.

 

[Aaron O.]

Can someone post the dialog between batman an Gordon before Batman flies off? I can't recall it.

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The "shoulders" dialog.

 

[Doctor Jones]

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Batman will live on, forever. But through Robin and his fellow successors. He accomplished the immorality Ra's couldn't.

I like this.

And besides,

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Blake isn't Dick anyway, so this doesn't bother me. And even if he was, it's a nod to Dick taking over. It's just a cool reference. It's this guy named Robin who decides what to do.

When the movie ended, I wasn't completely in love with it because I was confused.

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Was Bruce really alive or was Alfred imagining it? Because earlier in the film Alfred said he wanted to imagine Bruce sitting there with a woman, so I thought maybe, this time Alfred imagined him with Selina. But the more I think about that, the less sense it makes.

Because you can't kill Batman. It goes against the theme of this series and this film.

And I realize now, Bruce in this series, in this film, isn't in the best state to continue being Batman. In the comics he can be Batman longer. but here, as the last film, his body was unhealthy going in, got his back broken, had to reconfigure the spine, fight Bane, got stabbed, and flew off with a nuke. I'd say that permanent retirement was earned. This was more of his last hurrah in coming back because the city needed him and then once his task was done, he could make his own life like he wanted and pass the symbol off to someone else. Which is a new and great idea that I was a bit close minded to when I first saw it.

Because I got to remember, this is Nolan's Batman. Some different rules apply.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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I get that, but Robin =/= Batman, and it was pretty heavily implied that Batman could be anyone and could essentially live forever. Why not just be John Blake? Why does he have to be Robin?

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Because Batman is Batman, and everyone knows he's gone. But that does not mean another symbol of hope cannot continue his work. It is like how Bruce could not be his father. He could not be the great Wayne, the symbol of hope in the public eye. But that doesn't mean he wasn't inspired by him. He still had to make his own path, and that was Batman and Blake will make his own.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I like this.

And besides,

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Blake isn't Dick anyway, so this doesn't bother me. It's just a cool reference.

When the movie ended, I wasn't completely in love with it because I was confused.

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Was Bruce really alive or was Alfred imagining it? Because earlier in the film Alfred said he wanted to imagine Bruce sitting there with a woman, so I thought maybe, this time Alfred imagined him with Selina. But the more I think about that, the less sense it makes.

Because you can't kill Batman. It goes against the theme of this series and this film.

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He is alive. The auto-pilot fix (which he made sure Lucius saw), the new Bat symbol and the missing pearls all confirm it.

 

[The Rocket]

Meerski is exactly right. I mean, I think we all want some realism in a film that aims to be realistic as Nolan's does. But there is a limit. The concept of Batman alone could never happen. Someone would figure it out. He'd make a mistake and get caught by 1,000 cops following him at some point. But I think the point is that terrorism and evil are real, and Batman symbolizes the difference one person can make. It's an allegory. It's not about having everything be realistic. It can't ever be.

You know, I guess one person can make a difference.



'Nuff said.




*walks away*

 

[Meerski]

Meerski is exactly right. I mean, I think we all want some realism in a film that aims to be realistic as Nolan's does. But there is a limit. The concept of Batman alone could never happen. Someone would figure it out. He'd make a mistake and get caught by 1,000 cops following him at some point. But I think the point is that terrorism and evil are real, and Batman symbolizes the difference one person can make. It's an allegory. It's not about having everything be realistic. It can't ever be.

Thanks. I noticed that you noticed a lot of points that I notice as well.

Real quick. Since everyone keeps saying that they are upset over the robin becoming batman angle (which again to me is clearly not what happened) then why would they point out that in the comic... This happens... Dick greyson Taking over. It happens in the comic ... And in the movie it happens. Shouldn't you be happy. People are complaining about what is to them whats supposed to happen...

Hope you agree

 

[DarthSkywalker]

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Depending on how you view it, in some ways he just followed the LoS. We are lead to believe in Begins that Ducard took the mantle of Ra's, after the explosion. That it was simply a title. A symbol.

No, Ra's is Ra's. The other was a decoy. They basically confirm it again in this film, along with the fact that the character was set up much in the same manner as Batman. Just a bit of deception, just like [BLACKOUT]his daughter in this film[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Travesty]

Thanks. I noticed that you lost a lot of points that I notice as well.

Real quick. Since everyone keeps saying that they are upset over the robin becoming batman angle (which again to me is clearly not what happened) then why would they point out that in the comic... This happens... Dick greyson Taking over. It happens in the comic ... And in the movie it happens. Shouldn't you be happy. People are complaining about what is to them whats supposed to happen...

Hope you agree

I think people are a bit upset about it, because...

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how forced it was. Sure, in the comics it happened, but that was with Dick Grayson, someone who has been vital to the franchise for a very long time. Here, it was Blake, someone that Bruce had just met recently. Plus, it just felt out of place, and therefore, shoehorned into the plot. Basically, it felt rushed and out of place in many ways....

 

[Ironhorse75]

What is everyone's thoughts on how Bane's character was treated towards the end?

My biggest complaint within the movie is how he was simply discarded in a matter of seconds. 2 and a half hours of character and presence built up, and it felt like it was thrown away in an instant. As if he were just another nameless merc.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think people are a bit upset about it, because...

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how forced it was. Sure, in the comics it happened, but that was with Dick Grayson, someone who has been vital to the franchise for a very long time. Here, it was Blake, someone that Bruce had just met recently. Plus, it just felt out of place, and therefore, shoehorned into the plot. Basically, it felt rushed and out of place in many ways....

Rushed and out of place? There was a 3 hour movie about it...

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What is everyone's thoughts on how Bane's character was treated towards the end?

My biggest complaint within the movie is how he was simply discarded in a matter of seconds. 2 and a half hours of character and presence built up, and it felt like it was thrown away in an instant. As if he were just another nameless merc.

How was he thrown away?

 

[Travesty]

Rushed and out of place? There was a 3 hour movie about it...

It's rushed and out of place, due to it being a character that just popped out of nowhere in this series.

 

[HelloImBen]

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And you're probably right, but the way it is handled is poorly done. In fact, it's a common problem through out the entire movie. Characters just appear and disappear out of nowhere. One minute there are somewhere and in two seconds, somewhere else. Why was Batman on the roof top when he met Catwoman the first time? It's never explained. How did Bruce get from the prison to Gotham? In fact, how did he even get on Gotham? The city was closed off! Where did Alfred go while the city was under siege? Did anything happen to Wayne Manor? It's within city limits, as indicated in The Dark Knight.

The entire movie relies on a bunch of coincidences and it hurts the film.

I loved this movie, but if there's one flaw, there simply wasn't enough time to explain some things, such as the things you mentioned.

It could have been a 5 hour movie.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It's rushed and out of place, due to it being a character that just popped out of nowhere in this series.

He didn't pop out of nowhere. This would make sense if he just showed up in the last 10 minutes, but that isn't what happened at all.

 

[Doctor Jones]

What is everyone's thoughts on how Bane's character was treated towards the end?

My biggest complaint within the movie is how he was simply discarded in a matter of seconds. 2 and a half hours of character and presence built up, and it felt like it was thrown away in an instant. As if he were just another nameless merc.

Yes.

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His death was just

It just felt like he was thrown away and dumb.

 

[Meerski]

I think people are a bit upset about it, because...

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how forced it was. Sure, in the comics it happened, but that was with Dick Grayson, someone who has been vital to the franchise for a very long time. Here, it was Blake, someone that Bruce had just met recently. Plus, it just felt out of place, and therefore, shoehorned into the plot. Basically, it felt rushed and out of place in many ways....

I'm sorry but. When jean Paul valley becomes batman... It's almost forced as well. Robin keeps asking Bruce "are you sure. Are you sure"
Maybe blake gets taken over by the system and bruce will come back to find him.

My point is people are looking too much into it which is ruining their feelings towards the film. Nolan says its the end. Take it for that

A great ending


PS. Guys excuse my grammar. I'm on my iPhone and it's hard to catch all these stupid auto corrects haha

 

[Travesty]

He didn't pop out of no where. This would make sense if he just showed up in the last 10 minutes, but that isn't what happened at all.

Oh realy, he didn't? I guess I missed his character arch throughout BB and TDK that made the transition feel completely natural to this series.

 

[Bathead]

I hope there is no sequel, I just can't buy into the idea that:

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John Blake would take over as Batman. The fact that his character was actually developing like another origin pisses me off, and even after a second viewing it's just mind blogging why Nolan included such a character in the first place. Not to mention, the character is pretty much a Mary Sue and would make a boring superhero.

I don't know what you're worried about, the next Batman movie will have nothing to do with Nolan's version, it will be a complete reboot.

 

[Travesty]

I'm sorry but. When jean Paul valley because batman... It's almost forced as well. Robin keeps asking Bruce "are you sure. Are you sure"
Maybe blake gets taken over by the system and bruce will come back to find him.

My point is people are looking too much into it which is ruining their feelings towards the film. Nolan says its the end. Take it for that

A great ending

Yes, it was very forced. What does that have to do with anything?

 

[sethypants]

Of course Bruce is alive. Fox finds Bruce fixed the Bat autopilot so we understand easily that he ejected from the Bat. Bruce knows that Alfred will go on holidays and mets him with Selina at the cafe.

This.
omg. speechless.

 

[Meerski]

Yes, it was very forced. What does that have to do with anything?

You're saying Blake being batman is forced. So....... It's the same concept. Just different names.

 

[Yurka]

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http://www.superherohype.com/features/articles/88967-nolan-on-robin-in-batman-sequels


So does this still maintain given that JGL Robin = Batman?

I thought I was in the clear with that quote years back....

 

[Travesty]

You're saying Blake being batman is forced. So....... It's the same concept. Just different names.

Yeah, but if both concepts are forced, how is that helping your opinion on how it isn't forced? What, just because the same idea happened in the comics? It doesn't matter either way, at the end of the day, it was forced.

 

[Doctor Jones]

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He is alive. The auto-pilot fix (which he made sure Lucius saw), the new Bat symbol and the missing pearls all confirm it.

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Yeah, the auto pilot thing made me realize that. But I thought Blake repaired the signal himself.

But yeah, once Alfred stepped into the cafe, you just knew he would see him, which made it so touching.l