The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 4

[kthevs]

Really? It is present in the comcis, cartoons and even Batman Returns. I didnt think there was romantic tension between them at all in TDKR. Not like Keaton and Pfeiffer even though Catwoman is better portrayed in TDKR. I also thought she wasn't sexy at all.

That's all how you chose to see it. Most of us saw the obvious chemistry and romantic tension. The 3rd acts sums it up. She asks him to leave with her (probably the first guy she's ever really cared about), and then she comes back to save him even though she can leave. And then of course, the passionate kiss and her line of them both being suckers. Just like in the comics, they're kindred spirits.

 

[UaalaDan]

It wasn't done that well to me but this is actually me nitpicking or not caring about how Nolan does female characters. There are worse flaws.

 

[Reed Richards]

Sorry, that was rather abrupt. I apologize if it was brash.

this MTV interview with Bale clears up the ending in that Bruce Wayne lives

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1690203/dark-knight-rises-ending-christian-bale.jhtml

I think he lived too but there is nothing in that link on MTV that clears it up. MTV says he lives. Bale doesn't say anything about it. He wouldn't be allowed to spoil it. This interview took place before the public had seen the movie. It's also talking about Bruce can die but Batman can't.

 

[Wedge A.]

I'm sorry, what reason do we have to believe he doesn't live? He's explicitly there. There's no trickery or suggestion of ambiguity. This is just absurd.

 

[UaalaDan]

At first I actually thought he died but now I firmly believe he lives for sure. I actually missed the auto-pilot thing on my first viewing.

 

[Reed Richards]

I'm sorry, what reason do we have to believe he doesn't live? He's explicitly there. There's no trickery or suggestion of ambiguity. This is just absurd.

Are you talking to me? I said I thought he lived. The link to the MTV thing was said to be Christian Bale clearing up that he lived. He never mentions it. I think he lived.

 

[BuckeyeBatman]

When I think about it now...my belief is that the ending is meant to symbolize on how while TDKR is serving as a conclusion to Bruce Wayne's Journey, Nolan is also paying homage to the fact that Batman is a legacy that lives on (as how the character has within the comic book mythology), hence the reason why we see a new Bat Signal and Blake rising to steps that'll take him down that path as Gotham's new successor.

well said

 

[Wedge A.]

Are you talking to me? I said I thought he lived. The link to the MTV thing was said to be Christian Bale clearing up that he lived. He never mentions it. I think he lived.

No, not you. Just a general statement.

 

[HelloImBen]

I'm sorry, what reason do we have to believe he doesn't live? He's explicitly there. There's no trickery or suggestion of ambiguity. This is just absurd.

Because Inception, that's why!


Seriously. Now every movie he makes from 2010-on is supposed to be some ending about a ghost or something apparently.

 

[BuckeyeBatman]

And I see robins landing on branches like...eight times a day in the Spring.

What's your point?

how would something so common that you see it 8 times a day get the general public to understand what had just happened.

 

[eal2727]

Spoiler

I don't think that previous Bale interview on MTV contained the part about asking if he wanted Bruce to die. If he had died, he would have acknowledged it in his answer. I mean, he didn't die. It's not even supposed to be ambiguous. I don't get some people.

 

[Havok83]

That's all how you chose to see it. Most of us saw the obvious chemistry and romantic tension. The 3rd acts sums it up. She asks him to leave with her (probably the first guy she's ever really cared about), and then she comes back to save him even though she can leave. And then of course, the passionate kiss and her line of them both being suckers. Just like in the comics, they're kindred spirits.

One doesnt choose to see romantic chemistry. Its either there or its not. For me, like UaalaDan, there wasnt much there at all.

 

[UaalaDan]

One doesnt choose to see romantic chemistry. Its either there or its not. For me, like UaalaDan, there wasnt much there at all.

Exactly. I believed Peter and Gwen loved each other and had plenty of chemistry. Didn't believe there was romantic chemistry with Bruce and any of the female characters in this movie.

 

[Reed Richards]

Spoiler

I don't think that previous Bale interview on MTV contained the part about asking if he wanted Bruce to die. If he had died, he would have acknowledged it in his answer. I mean, he didn't die. It's not even supposed to be ambiguous. I don't get some people.

He wouldn't have acknowledged that in the interview. He would have been forbidden to say Bruce died in an interview prior to the movie coming out. Either way, I don't think he died. I was just pointing out that the link someone posted said it was "MTV interview with Bale clears up the ending in that Bruce Wayne lives". He didn't and wouldn't.

This was all he said. "Asked if there was any part of him that wanted to see Bruce die in the end, Bale smiled and said, Not from an acting point of view. Not from any desire to never have to act again. I've enjoyed immensely playing the role."

All of my posts say he lived and that is what I believe. If it was supposed to be up for interpretation Alfred would have seen Bruce from behind just as he did in his fantasy and the screen would have gone black as he turned around. There would have been no reason to mention auto-pilot or to have Alfred see him in the Cafe with the maid.

 

[kthevs]

One doesnt choose to see romantic chemistry. Its either there or its not. For me, like UaalaDan, there wasnt much there at all.

Disagree, as do most, including critics. Bale and Hathaway had great chemistry. Much better than Bale and Cotillard.

 

[Ecuanime]

We need to remember him blasting through that building. That explosion was a diversion for his escape, like he uses all the time, before the nuclear bomb let off

 

[Ecuanime]

DasFeuerSteigt:

The ending isn't open to interpretation. It's given quite explicitly. If you're going to just ignore all the evidence in favor of the obvious conclusion, then you might as well argue that ANYTHING is "just a hallucination" or "it was all a dream" -- but we have no evidence to suggest that that is what happened, here.

In defense of DasFeuerSteight, it is open to interpretation. Because what we have from Alfred's speech in the beginning of the movie about this "fantasy" of seeing Bruce at a cafe a happy man. Who can really say that at the end it was another fantas or real?

Although I believe Bruce made it and the cafe scene was real, I still think the movie viewers can make different assumptions on it.

 

[HelloImBen]

In defense of DasFeuerSteight, it is open to interpretation. Because what we have from Alfred's speech in the beginning of the movie about this "fantasy" of seeing Bruce at a cafe a happy man. Who can really say that at the end it was another fantas or real?

Although I believe Bruce made it and the cafe scene was real, I still think the movie viewers can make different assumptions on it.

Because in the "fantasy" the guy turns around and is revealed to not be Bruce Wayne.

 

[Ecuanime]

Again, Bruce would NEVER commit suicide. It completely goes against his character and the arc of this series.

Although I agree that Batman didn't die, in playing devil's advocate, Bruce and Batman would give their life to save Gotham and the people he loved. Food for thought.

 

[TylerHaslett]

does anyone remember just over a week ago when david letterman spoiled the ending? hahahah i was pissed, because of it, but also couldnt help but laughing at how hard he laughed after saying it

 

[TylerHaslett]

That doesn't matter because he loved her. He didn't love Selina at all in the movie. It was never shown he wanted to have a relationship with her. And then, in the end, it just appears out of nowhere. Nolan should've cut the the BS and fat of the movie(Foley,etc) to explore better the characters that were REALLY important.

i think you may need to watch Rises again, not trying to say that like an *******, but Bruce W was very infactuated with Selina (i spelled infactuated wrong, someone please point it out, hahah)

 

[itsthebatman]

It's ambiguous. There's nothing to suggest he explicitly becomes the next Batman. He could be Robin, or even Nightwing.

Only thing for sure is that he will carry on the legacy.

But he can't be Robin. His name is Robin. The introduction scene in Robin Begins:
Gangster: 'What are you?'
Blake: 'I'm Robin.'
Gangster: 'Yes, Robin John Blake, I know. But your nom de guerre?'
Robin: 'Um... Robin?'
Gangster: 'Try again.'

 

[itsthebatman]

i think you may need to watch Rises again, not trying to say that like an *******, but Bruce W was very infactuated with Selina (i spelled infactuated wrong, someone please point it out, hahah)

Nope. He slept with Tatelia, then got his back broken (thanks to Selina's double cross), came back to Gotham and asked for her help. Fail to see where he became infatuated. Much as I loved their performances, this Selina/Bruce relationship doesn't hold a candle to BR. The Nolans can't write convincing romance.

 

[Liam_H]

I certainly think they can they just didn't spend any time with it as much as they should since so much other things were happening. You needed a lot more scenes between them to make it convincing of her asking him to leave with her.

 

[LostSon88]

But he can't be Robin. His name is Robin. The introduction scene in Robin Begins:
Gangster: 'What are you?'
Blake: 'I'm Robin.'
Gangster: 'Yes, Robin John Blake, I know. But your nom de guerre?'
Robin: 'Um... Robin?'
Gangster: 'Try again.'

No one knows his legal first name.