The Dark Knight Rises TDKR SPOILERS (read at your own risk) - Part 4

[DasFeuerSteigt]

Is it really that important for you to think/believe that Bruce had died?

Oh well, can't I say that none of us tried using facts. So i guess most people here were just mistaken in our viewings with the film to think that Bruce had survived right?

It's not "important" I just don't think he survived. I'm using facts just as much as you are. The ending is left open to interpretation, and my interpreting it differently doesn't make me wrong. It's fine to interpret it both ways, I'm simply explaining why I see it the way I do. So stop being a ****.

 

[Herolee10]

But we didn't get a detailed explanation of HOW he survives. We didn't get any explanation of it. It's just hinted at that he did. I'm not ignoring them, I think he could have foreseen he was going to sacrifice himself, given that it's hinted at a lot throughout the film.

"You've given them everything"
"Not everything. Not yet"

All he has left to give is his life. And he does.

It's called...

1. Ending Montage (Pearls Missing, Bat Signal mysteriously Repaired, Blake getting new set of coordinates)

2 Look, if Bruce's fate wasn't going to be confirmed then the shot of him at the cafe wouldn't have been shot in the way it was and would have instead been shot in a position where the audiences wouldn't have gotten a good look of Bruce's face.

3. Just because he said that, doesn't mean that his fate was sealed.

4. You don't find it a little odd that out of all of the women that Alfred could have imagined Bruce with that he chose "Selina" to be that woman on the other end of the table?


Seriously, I'm tired of repeating the same old **** after everyone here has pointed to common sense being as to why he's alive. This is MY LAST POST addressed to you on this matter.

 

[Syncope]

It's not "important" I just don't think he survived. I'm using facts just as much as you are. The ending is left open to interpretation, and my interpreting it differently doesn't make me wrong. It's fine to interpret it both ways, I'm simply explaining why I see it the way I do. So stop being a ****.

So why does the film bother bringing up the autopilot and the pearls at the end?

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

3. Just because he said that, doesn't mean that his fate was sealed.

Yes it is odd, but that's why it can be interpreted both ways. If he was sat with Rachel then it would be obvious he was dead. Look stop acting you're clearly smarter than me because I disagree. Maybe I will change my mind once I see the film again, but for now I believe it more likely he is dead. There is just as much evidence for my interpretation as yours. And please, drop the attitude.

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

So why does the film bother bringing up the autopilot and the pearls at the end?

The pearls I don't know, I suspect he may have sent them to Selina. The autopilot, as I said before, shows that Bruce could have saved his own life, but chose not to. He knew there was no future for him now. This was his final act. With the autopilot working, he never needed to be in the bat in the first place to pick up the bomb. So why was he? Because he wanted to die. He saved Gotham, the truth was out there about both he and Dent, and there was nothing left for him to do but die or live with grief.

 

[Herolee10]

So why does the film bother bringing up the autopilot and the pearls at the end?

According to some, it's because they wanted to show on how Bruce had a chance to survive but didn't because he had forgotten on how to live despite his experiences in the prison....

 

[JAK®]

There is just as much evidence for my interpretation as yours.

No there isn't.

For your interpretation to work, it requires ignoring the evidence that points towards his survival.

 

[Syncope]

The pearls I don't know, I suspect he may have sent them to Selina. The autopilot, as I said before, shows that Bruce could have saved his own life, but chose not to. He knew there was no future for him now. This was his final act. With the autopilot working, he never needed to be in the bat in the first place to pick up the bomb. So why was he? Because he wanted to die. He saved Gotham, the truth was out there about both he and Dent, and there was nothing left for him to do but die or live with grief.

He wanted Gotham to think he had died so he could start a new life. Bruce didn't want to die - he was not suicidal. You've completely misinterpreted the film, haven't you?

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

He wanted Gotham to think he had died so he could start a new life. Bruce didn't want to die - he was not suicidal. You've completely misinterpreted the film, haven't you?

I think it's you who is misinterpreting.

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

No there isn't.

For your interpretation to work, it requires ignoring the evidence that points towards his survival.

For yours to work it requires ignoring THE NUCLEAR BOMB!

 

[Syncope]

I think it's you who is misinterpreting.

Right. Another thing, why would Alfred imagine Selina sat with Bruce, when he had no idea that they were even on relationship terms? In fact, the only time Alfred met Selina was in the kitchen at the start of the film.

 

[spider-neil]

Honestly, given that this is a CONCLUSION to Bruce's story, I think an ambiguous ending would have been somewhat of a cop out. I think fans and the GA had the right to know as to what happened to Bruce and not leave that up in the mystery as Nolan did with the ending for "Inception".




Or it could just be a case of clever editing where Nolan made the audiences think that Batman was going to die when he really didn't.

Plus, of all the people for Alfred to wish Bruce sitting next to..he just happened to imagine Selina Kyle sitting next to Bruce, along with her wearing the pearl necklace that was recorded to have not been accounted for?

Honestly, until Nolan himself confirms otherwise, the ending was proof enough that Bruce Wayne DID survive and didn't die in that explosion. I mean I'm all for respecting people's opinions, but I just don't get on how anyone else could think that Alfred seeing Bruce AND SELINA in the cafe was a figment of his imagination.

Plus....it was established in the prison arc, that Bruce needed to rediscover the will to live and the fear of dying in order to truly do on what many consider to be impossible...and I don't think it just stopped at him climbing over the wall to defeating Bane..I think that also applied to how the odds were stacked up against him when he was racing that bomb to the ocean....how, because of his new found desire to live..he was able to use that to succeed.

Plus...the whole point of the film was to make Bruce realize that he needed to live and have the will to live....to have him die after all that he just learned and went through would mean that he received no real development and that it was a cop out.

And frankly, I think that the only people who truly thinks that he died are the ones that wanted him to die to begin with.

I was in bits with the death scene and then the closing Alfred speech and then a couple of scenes later I'm watching Bruce in the cafe. To be honest I felt cheated, like Nolan wanted to have his cake and eat.

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

Right. Another thing, why would Alfred imagine Selina sat with Bruce, when he had no idea that they were even on relationship terms? In fact, the only time Alfred met Selina was in the kitchen at the start of the film.

This one is tougher to explain. I really don't know. Maybe Alfred knows more about Bruce than he thought. Maybe he was still around somewhere keeping an eye on him.

"You still haven't given up on me?"
"Nevah!"

 

[Syncope]

This one is tougher to explain. I really don't know. Maybe Alfred know more about Bruce tham he thought. Maybe he was still around somewhere keeping an eye on him.

"You still haven't given up on me?"
"Nevah!"

Okay, so according to you, this is an accurate interpretation of the ending:

- Bruce was suicidal and fixed the autopilot even though he wasn't planning on using it. He wanted to die and at the end, Alfred was merely hallucinating that Bruce was sat with Selina, even though Alfred had no idea they were love interests.

Forgive me for not quite going along with this.

 

[nogster]

Lol.
I'm amazed that this ending is being thought of as ambigious.
this isnt inception.

Nolan holds the audience by the hand and shows them Bruce survived. Not only by explaining the evidence that leads to the conclusion that he survived. but then actually showing him alive. With Selina.
Alfreds wish for Bruce became a reality.
How this can be seen as ambigious is laughable.

 

[DasFeuerSteigt]

Okay, so according to you, this is an accurate interpretation of the ending:

- Bruce was suicidal and fixed the autopilot even though he wasn't planning on using it. He wanted to die and at the end, Alfred is merely hallucinating that Bruce is sat with Selina, even though Alfred had no idea they were love interests.

Forgive me for not quite going along with this.

No I'm saying the ending doesn't make sense. There are several interpretations, all of which require ignoring some aspect of the ending for it to work.

 

[Micromind]

Guys, if Indiana Jones can survive a nuclear explosion by hiding inside a lead-lined fridge, Batman can survive it in the bat-copter

Spielberg gets away with many things, but people are not willing to give Nolan same treatment.

Other than the fact he is shown with the bomb seconds before it detonates.

He could be inside the front part of The Bat which has already separated from the rest of the Bat which is on auto pilot and flying at mach 1 speed over the ocean with the bomb.

He could have separated that part of Bat (much like Bat Pod separates from the Tumbler, this is a flying Bat and in case of flying machines, the ejection mechanism is always present) much before the six seconds remaining part is shown therefore he must be out of six mile radius.

 

[Herolee10]

When I think about it now...my belief is that the ending is meant to symbolize on how while TDKR is serving as a conclusion to Bruce Wayne's Journey, Nolan is also paying homage to the fact that Batman is a legacy that lives on (as how the character has within the comic book mythology), hence the reason why we see a new Bat Signal and Blake rising to steps that'll take him down that path as Gotham's new successor.

 

[Micromind]

I see Blake as a new vigilante who uses Bruce Wayne's resources but maintains a new identity (Robin ?) but I don't think that he will become Batman as Gordon will know that he is not Bruce Wayne.

 

[J.Howlett]

When I think about it now...my belief is that the ending is meant to symbolize on how while TDKR is serving as a conclusion to Bruce Wayne's Journey, Nolan is also paying homage to the fact that Batman is a legacy that lives on (as how the character has within the comic book mythology), hence the reason why we see a new Bat Signal and Blake rising to steps that'll take him down that path as Gotham's new successor.

Ding, ding, ding!

 

[M-2]

The pearls I don't know, I suspect he may have sent them to Selina. The autopilot, as I said before, shows that Bruce could have saved his own life, but chose not to. He knew there was no future for him now. This was his final act. With the autopilot working, he never needed to be in the bat in the first place to pick up the bomb. So why was he? Because he wanted to die. He saved Gotham, the truth was out there about both he and Dent, and there was nothing left for him to do but die or live with grief.

Lol about the Pearls couldn't Selina just stolen them again? Bruce did say to Alfred in the beginning that she loves them to much to sell them...

And Lucius and Gordon could have told him about how well they worked together.. So he just basically put two and two together...

But hey maybe we over thinking it, or maybe we not thinking about it enough... Either way it's super cool film!!!

 

[spider-neil]

There is no way Bruce could have known Selina wanted/needed the crime database memory stick. How? Who could have told him that?

 

[Meerski]

The pearls I don't know, I suspect he may have sent them to Selina. The autopilot, as I said before, shows that Bruce could have saved his own life, but chose not to. He knew there was no future for him now. This was his final act. With the autopilot working, he never needed to be in the bat in the first place to pick up the bomb. So why was he? Because he wanted to die. He saved Gotham, the truth was out there about both he and Dent, and there was nothing left for him to do but die or live with grief.

No dude honestly. You're looking way too deep into this ending. It's very simple. In your interpretation, there is no need for a lot of scenes in the movie. The whole autopilot concept shouldn't have mattered. Their no use of fox smiling when he finds out its fixed. The care scene is pointless and the pearls missing makes no sense
You're making the movie sound really bad

 

[Meerski]

There is no way Bruce could have known Selina wanted/needed the crime database memory stick. How? Who could have told him that?

Idk.
They should have had a scene where Selina was telling Bruce/batman about the stick that dagget screwed her over for.

Oh yeah there was a scene Just like that exactly.

 

[Meerski]

I have seriously come to believe that nobody paid any attention to the plot therefore they are coming up its these ridiculous theories for the ending. I mean it wouldn't be so ridiculous if the movie wasnt spelled out for you. If you pay attention everything is explained.

I'm guessing people only watched the last like 15 minutes of the movie.