The Amazing Spider-Man The Amazing Spider-Man: Box Office Thread - Part 2

[Spiderdevil]

Glad we got that cleared then. However, profitability speaking TASM has yet to overtake Batman Begins (and it wasn't as well received overall).

Box Office earnings wise it has already overtaked it by a margin

Really it has nothing to do with perception, the movie tanked on huge historical markets (UK, France, Germany ...) despite ticket price inflation and performed quite well on new markets fond of 3D movies (South America, Asia, Russia ...). It's the Alice in Wonderland or Pirates of the Carribean 4 syndrom all over again.

My point exactly
We will get a clear idea only after we've the total earnings from all countries and we can compare them to Raimi's spider man

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Box Office earnings wise it has already overtaked it by a margin

Doesn't a larger budget and inflation (not to mention BB's incredible DVD sales) suggest that TASM isn't as profitable?

At least not yet.

 

[JKKS085]

Box Office earnings wise it has already overtaked it by a margin

Not yet domestically but it will. Then again I was talking about profitability. Calling attention on raw BO numbers is irrelevant.

My point exactly
We will get a clear idea only after we've the total earnings from all countries and we can compare them to Raimi's spider man

The movie is pretty much done in every country it has been released early July. Add an optimistic 15% to the currently reported overseas gross and you'll get an accurate idea of the finals in those countries.

 

[spider-neil]

Doesn't a larger budget and inflation (not to mention BB's incredible DVD sales) suggest that TASM isn't as profitable?

At least not yet.

Those DVD sales are over how long a period?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I'm talking initial DVD sales.

Batman Begins seems like it was the better investment in the long run so we'll see with Spidey.

It's the sequel that will tell the story.

 

[Anno_Domini]

It would have made near 260M more than BB overseas and near 15M more than it domestically
So thats 275M more than BB and the budget is about 65M more than BB(All figures after accounting for Inflation)
So yes it has done much better than BB Box Office wise

How is it $15 million more than BB?

I'm not so great when it comes to knowing this inflation business.

When the **** did I say that?
I myself liked the movie so why would I say that

You said this during our entire discussion in the lounge until you actually saw it.

My opinion about TA or TDKR has nothing to do with TAS-M releasing the same year.
Again you are making stuff up

Again, it seems like you are. Not pointing out that the fact is that those two were great films and the best films of the year so far, or at least when it comes to CBMs, smoking TAS-M, Ghost Rider 2 and MIB 3 out of the water.

Both of them are extremely difficult to top
And I would say the Avengers has topped them till the sequel ends up making the same kind of money

I'm not talking about Avengers. I am saying would any of the Ice Age films top any of Raimi's trilogy or Nolan's? That would be a no.

 

[Spiderdevil]

Doesn't a larger budget and inflation (not to mention BB's incredible DVD sales) suggest that TASM isn't as profitable?

At least not yet.

Check my earlier post,even after taking inflation and the increased budget into account,TASM has made almost 215M more than BB

And I have no idea why people overrate BB's DVD sales so much,SM1 for example earned 420M from Home Video compared to BB's 167M

 

[Spiderdevil]

The movie is pretty much done in every country it has been released early July. Add an optimistic 15% to the currently reported overseas gross and you'll get an accurate idea of the finals in those countries.

I dont believe than 15% figure,its ranges from 40-45% in different countries and is 15% in China as someone posted before

 

[©KAW]

Look at you all cooking those books.

 

[Spiderdevil]

How is it $15 million more than BB?

I'm not so great when it comes to knowing this inflation business.

http://www.westegg.com/inflation/
Put in your figures

You said this during our entire discussion in the lounge until you actually saw it.

I said that the complaints of the critics seemed legitimate and it doesnt seem to be better than TDK and that doesnt translate to 'Its a terrible movie'

Again, it seems like you are. Not pointing out that the fact is that those two were great films and the best films of the year so far, or at least when it comes to CBMs, smoking TAS-M, Ghost Rider 2 and MIB 3 out of the water.

To be honest I dont consider being the best CBM or the second best CBM of the year an achievement
And no,while both TA and TDKR are better than TASM,they dont really blow it out the water

I'm not talking about Avengers. I am saying would any of the Ice Age films top any of Raimi's trilogy or Nolan's? That would be a no.

Ice Age: Dawn of the dinosaurs has topped BB,that too by a large margin,so has Ice Age:The melt down and the most recent one already

 

[JKKS085]

I dont believe than 15% figure,its ranges from 40-45% in different countries and is 15% in China as someone posted before

I wasn't talking about countries in wich the movie hasn't been released yet or about how much studios finally get. Sure China will boost the overseas total but as for markets in wich the movie has been released for 4 weeks or more, it has pretty much done 85 to 90% of its final figures.

 

[Anno_Domini]

To be honest I dont consider being the best CBM or the second best CBM of the year an achievement
And no,while both TA and TDKR are better than TASM,they dont really blow it out the water

Critically and financially would say otherwise.

Ice Age: Dawn of the dinosaurs has topped BB,that too by a large margin,so has Ice Age:The melt down and the most recent one already

The Meltdown came out a year after Batman Begins and Dawn of the Dinosaurs came out a year after TDK.

 

[American_Hobo]

$246 domestically so far...very disappointing number.
I guess general audience didn't like the movie too much...or they're tired of seeing another Spiderman movie.

 

[rayc1971]

$246 domestically so far...very disappointing number.
I guess general audience didn't like the movie too much...or they're tired of seeing another Spiderman movie.

true i think it as too soon for a reboot.i heard sony was lookin for 300mill domestic it probably does 255mill domestic now.i think it was a good movie people just stayed away because of the negative buzz

 

[Anno_Domini]

So I voted for the correct range then, haha.

 

[spider-neil]

true i think it as too soon for a reboot.i heard sony was lookin for 300mill domestic it probably does 255mill domestic now.i think it was a good movie people just stayed away because of the negative buzz

The movie actually have very good buzz (80+ people liked it on RT). I think people stayed away because;

a) They thought this movie was an unnessasary reboot to a beloved trilogy.
b) It's an easy skip with TDKR a mere two weeks later.

Take that into account and it's amazing the movie has done as well as it has.

 

[Spiderdevil]

I wasn't talking about countries in wich the movie hasn't been released yet. Sure China will boost the overseas total but as for markets in wich the movie has been released for 4 weeks or more, it has pretty much done 85 to 90% of its final figures.

I was talking about the percentage the Studios take in as profit

 

[Spiderdevil]

Critically and financially would say otherwise.

Financially SM1 has earned almost 3 times as much as BB but you keep on saying how BB is better and the 'perfect' origin(When it is an average movie at best)
And Financially even SM3 blows BB out the water

The Meltdown came out a year after Batman Begins and Dawn of the Dinosaurs came out a year after TDK.

Whats your point? It still topped BB's earnings

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I admit 255 m is disappointing. But that's only 20-30 m short of most supporters' expectations so it's not a disaster or anything.

The movie will still end up being one of Sony's biggest hits.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I think the real issue is not so much of how big a BO disappointment it is or isn't? but in that the reaction has been mostly muted.

When launching a big budget reboot franchise i think sony wanted more of an impact to be felt. Look at the impact star trek had. Regardless of its actual box office take it was a movie that got a lot of ppl talking and created an excitement to the brand.

Begins despite being a more moderate blockbuster success itself has been used as the desired template model for pretty much every reboot since.

With TASM aside from the hardcore devotes you don't really feel like it made much of an impact. It's come and gone (well soon enough).

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

I think the real issue is not so much of how big a BO disappointment it is or isn't? but in that the reaction has been mostly muted.

When launching a big budget reboot franchise i think sony wanted more of an impact to be felt. Look at the impact star trek had. Regardless of its actual box office take it was a movie that got a lot of ppl talking and created an excitement to the brand.

Begins despite being a more moderate blockbuster success itself has been used as the desired template model for pretty much every reboot since.

With TASM aside from the hardcore devotes you don't really feel like it made much of an impact. It's come and gone (well soon enough).

Yeah but the public didn't go bananas over the TDK trilogy until the Joker, so it's too early to tell how the public feels about the new direction.

There's only a 9 point difference between the rottentomatoes user rating for ASM and Batman Begins, so I think the comparison has some merit.

 

[spider-neil]

I think the real issue is not so much of how big a BO disappointment it is or isn't? but in that the reaction has been mostly muted.

When launching a big budget reboot franchise i think sony wanted more of an impact to be felt. Look at the impact star trek had. Regardless of its actual box office take it was a movie that got a lot of ppl talking and created an excitement to the brand.

Begins despite being a more moderate blockbuster success itself has been used as the desired template model for pretty much every reboot since.

With TASM aside from the hardcore devotes you don't really feel like it made much of an impact. It's come and gone (well soon enough).

The major difference is reboots usually happen to franchises that are in the toilet (Batman) or have grown stale (Star Trek, Bond). Spidey on the other hand was a beloved franchise and the 3rd movie in the main didn't change that, other franchises have had poor installments and just moved on (MI2, Temple of Doom, Transformers 2). Many of he general audience felt the reboot way too soon and unnessasary for a franchise they actually liked and was still fresh in their minds.

Take that into consideration and also the release date that is 2 short weeks before TDKR and that made TASM an easy skip, but despite all that the movie is edging towards 700m. Also bear in mind all the people who skipped this at theatres will almost certainly pick this up on DVD, the movie has decent reviews it is no Green Lantern or John Carter and almost every single reveiwer has praised the cast even if they couldn't fully embrace the movie so if the general audience like what they see the hope is they wont be so reluctant to go to the movie with the sequel as the sequel wont be touching on they have already seen (the origin).

 

[Picard Sisko]

Yeah but the public didn't go bananas over the TDK trilogy until the Joker, so it's too early to tell how the public feels about the new direction.

There's only a 9 point difference between the rottentomatoes user rating for ASM and Batman Begins, so I think the comparison has some merit.

Plus most of the negative reviews for TASM are referring to TASM being too similar to SM1, which isn't really fair IMO. I think TASM deserves at least 80% positive.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Yeah but the public didn't go bananas over the TDK trilogy until the Joker, so it's too early to tell how the public feels about the new direction.

There's only a 9 point difference between the rottentomatoes user rating for ASM and Batman Begins, so I think the comparison has some merit.

Yes, The Joker was the TDK franchises trump card (no pun). The tease at the end of begins was a great hype factor for getting ppl excited for the sequel.

Remember though it was almost twenty years between the last time the joker appeared on screen, so people were super excited to see him back after so long. Assuming TASM 2 goes for the expected Green Goblin villain it will be only a little more than 10 years since he was last on film and the deja vu feeling of TASM will continue on.

 

[Picard Sisko]

I was very open minded for a reboot, but at the same time I will always be a little upset about no Spider-Man 4.