Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - - - - - Part 51

[Sleiek]

^^LMAO. Good one.

 

[jmc]

Infinity War doesnt seem special?

I mean Im not saying it'll for sure be great or even good but for damn sure will be special just in term of scope alone. Come on what is that? "Doesn't look that special?" What?

That's some real debbie downer type stuff to me

Given the amount of bloat AoU suffered from it's hard not to be skeptical towards Infinity War. Granted it's going to take part over two films but at the end of the day the Avengers are once again more than likely going to share equal screen time with no-one leading the movie. The problem with these films is there's so much emphasis on everyone getting their moment in the spotlight that no-one is actually driving the films narrative which means the films are painted with broad strokes. It's hard to see anything different happening with Infinity War especially when there's going to be even more characters involved. So colour me sceptical toward Infinity War bringing anything new to the table, or even being anything that special.

 

[Tony Stark]

It's like it's all becoming routine now. There's nothing really all that special going forward anymore, even Infinity Wars isn't looking all that special. The new car smell has well and truly worn off.

Understand you are speaking for yourself. These movies keep making money and the studios keep making them. Warner Brothers and Fox are throwing their chips on the table because of this.

The only thing getting old is people talking about how much fatigue there is over these movies, yet people keep going to see them in the theaters.

The only movie this year that will have a chance to beat this one at the box office is Star Wars, and that's 7 months away.

 

[KBX]

Given the amount of bloat AoU suffered from it's hard not to be skeptical towards Infinity War. Granted it's going to take part over two films but at the end of the day the Avengers are once again more than likely going to share equal screen time with no-one leading the movie. The problem with these films is there's so much emphasis on everyone getting their moment in the spotlight that no-one is actually driving the films narrative which means the films are painted with broad strokes. It's hard to see anything different happening with Infinity War especially when there's going to be even more characters involved. So colour me sceptical toward Infinity War bringing anything new to the table, or even being anything that special.

Wait so you actually want 1 character being the single spot light of a movie to help drive the films narrative? That goes against everything these Avengers movie wants to stand for. If you want a character to drive the films narrative go watch a solo movie. That's the reason Marvel has them.

I don't know about everyone, but the team aspect is why I enjoy these Avengers movies. No characters gets the spot light (Stark maybe the most).

 

[jmc]

In which case I'm probably right in being sceptical for Infinity War not being able to do anything different, because ultimately if it's only ever going to be about the team and everyone being given equal screen time then the same beats are going to be repeated over and over again. We've already seen with Age of Ultron there's repetitiveness. Basically the formula wears thin after a while.

 

[KBX]

Well than it sounds like Captain America - Civil War is probably the Avengers movie you want....

 

[drod1985]

To be fair, we've seen Marvel's take
on the large ensemble pieces twice, both times from the same director. Nothing against Joss or AOU, but there are a few similarities there. Personally I enjoyed seeing the team fully functional in AOU.

Civil War and Infinity War will benefit not only from having a fresh set of directors, but also because the premise of each is so radically different. Hero vs. hero and a two part cosmic epic. The new facets will breathe life into the ensemble format.

 

[hafizbat]

^^That's what the solo movies are for. That's where the characters are truly developed and have plot-moving points.

Look at how IM3 pushed forward Tony's development with the PTSD, or Cap's place in the world in TWS.

I see the Avengers movies as the big fun party movies more than actual heavy plot driven stories. The characters are boiled down to their core essences and the movie focuses on spectacle and character interactions. This is both the strength and the weakness of the Avengers movies. It was like that in The Avengers, it was like that in Age of Ultron, and it'll be more bombastic and spectacular than ever in Infinty War.

Again, perhaps if you changed your mindset and expectation about these movies you'd enjoy them more.

 

[InCali]

Given the amount of bloat AoU suffered from it's hard not to be skeptical towards Infinity War. Granted it's going to take part over two films but at the end of the day the Avengers are once again more than likely going to share equal screen time with no-one leading the movie. The problem with these films is there's so much emphasis on everyone getting their moment in the spotlight that no-one is actually driving the films narrative which means the films are painted with broad strokes. It's hard to see anything different happening with Infinity War especially when there's going to be even more characters involved. So colour me sceptical toward Infinity War bringing anything new to the table, or even being anything that special.

 

[jmc]

Well than it sounds like Captain America - Civil War is probably the Avengers movie you want....

I actually think it will be because at least there's going to be a focal point. I think the issue that I've come away with after AoU is there's actually very little you can do in these team up films unless you have someone be the backbone of the movie. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with characters taking turns at being the lead in a different team up film because that means you can up the stakes, by treating everyone equally all you're doing is watering down the entire story. Yes, the argument is that's what the solo films are for, but that doesn't mean someone can't still be the focal point of a team up film, otherwise the team up film becomes nothing more than a glorified highlights package, a concept that never lives up to its potential because it's trying to please everyone and give everyone a trophy.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I think if anything in an Avengers movie the villain should be the focal point. The first Avengers worked because Loki drove the narrative. He was the reason the Avengers formed. I think Whedon tried to do that with Ultron but for whatever reason the focus got lost in the final edit of the movie.

 

[Raiden]

I actually think it will be because at least there's going to be a focal point. I think the issue that I've come away with after AoU is there's actually very little you can do in these team up films unless you have someone be the backbone of the movie. I personally don't think there's anything wrong with characters taking turns at being the lead in a different team up film because that means you can up the stakes, by treating everyone equally all you're doing is watering down the entire story. Yes, the argument is that's what the solo films are for, but that doesn't mean someone can't still be the focal point of a team up film, otherwise the team up film becomes nothing more than a glorified highlights package, a concept that never lives up to its potential because it's trying to please everyone and give everyone a trophy.

So you want Avengers to be like Singer's X-Men movies, where Wolverine is the focal character and everybody revolves around him? The problem with that is that most of the characters only shown up for their powers, and they get the barest amount of development and are often discarded after use. In both Avengers and AOU, the heroes are the main attractions and each get a moment to shine, or further developed from their solo movies. They don't all get the equal minutes on the big screen, but you truly feel that it is an ensemble movie, not just an one-man show with supporting characters.

 

[jmc]

I don't see a problem with characters taking turns in taking a back seat if a better story can be told.

 

[Doc Ock]

It's like it's all becoming routine now. There's nothing really all that special going forward anymore, even Infinity Wars isn't looking all that special. The new car smell has well and truly worn off.

Nah. Marvel is the gift that keeps on giving for me!

 

[Broseph44]

So stop watching them JMC. God damn you are always complaining about something I swear haha. Aww infinity wars aren't gonna be special enough for little JMC. Good god so don't bother with any of it anymore. You apparently have so many problems with the MCU now or the films why do you continue to watch? Just to keep complaining?

 

[Jaxon]

To be fair, we've seen Marvel's take
on the large ensemble pieces twice, both times from the same director. Nothing against Joss or AOU, but there are a few similarities there. Personally I enjoyed seeing the team fully functional in AOU.

Civil War and Infinity War will benefit not only from having a fresh set of directors, but also because the premise of each is so radically different. Hero vs. hero and a two part cosmic epic. The new facets will breathe life into the ensemble format.

Dude, if the Avengers end up on Asgard fighting Thanos I don't care what else happens, I drool lots of milky drool now

 

[Spiderine]

So stop watching them JMC. God damn you are always complaining about something I swear haha. Aww infinity wars aren't gonna be special enough for little JMC. Good god so don't bother with any of it anymore. You apparently have so many problems with the MCU now or the films why do you continue to watch? Just to keep complaining?

Funny thing about his complaints are that if they did make one of them the focal point to drive the story, then the irony would be that there was too much focus on this one character and everyone else got shafted. You can't win.

 

[MadVillainy]

Again Im not guranteeing that it'll be good or great. But doesn't look special?
-Filmed all in IMAX
-The culmination of the whole MCU since the end (or even before) the first Avengers
-The biggest villain theyve faced so far
-Not confirmed, but most likely the very large cast of heroes.
-Possibly the Avengers going to space/other planets for the first time
-Possibly the last film with a lot of the current cast
-The budget being through the roof.

So without no one really seeing anything, how does this not look special? What would it have to do, before we see anything, to seem special?
That just seems silly to me.

It's like IM not really looking forward to BvS. I dont think it will be that good. But of course it's special to see Batman and Superman in live action together for the first time

 

[jmc]

So stop watching them JMC. God damn you are always complaining about something I swear haha. Aww infinity wars aren't gonna be special enough for little JMC. Good god so don't bother with any of it anymore. You apparently have so many problems with the MCU now or the films why do you continue to watch? Just to keep complaining?

Because I like movies and discussing them. Positive and negative.

 

[MadVillainy]

But then, idk to me, if you keep watching movies you know youre not going to like then youre just being silly.

Its like with the Transformers 4 movie. There were people who hated the first 3 and then still went to go see the 4th and were all over complaining "Man that movie was awful" What's that saying? Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me?
Why watch a movie series youre not enjoying? Or even coming to complain when everybody is excited about it.

Hey it's a relatively free world, so do whatever

 

[jmc]

Who said I'm not enjoying Phase 2? I've been thoroughly entertained for the most part for Phase 2, hell I think some of the hate geared towards IM3 and Thor 2 was completely overblown, but that doesn't change the fact that I develop opinions along the way in both looking towards the future and reflecting on the past. If I say I don't think Infinity War is going to be all that special it's because I have two examples of a concept that are executed in a very similar fashion and have the same story telling structure. I reserve the right to change that opinion a few years from now should I be proven incorrect.

 

[DaddlerTheDalek]

In which case I'm probably right in being sceptical for Infinity War not being able to do anything different, because ultimately if it's only ever going to be about the team and everyone being given equal screen time then the same beats are going to be repeated over and over again. We've already seen with Age of Ultron there's repetitiveness. Basically the formula wears thin after a while.

If they follow that logic, many other people would complain about one character hogging the spotlight. Like some people accused Iron Man doing it in the first Avengers movie back in 2012. I was just a lurker back then, but I was annoyed about these arguments.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

Which is weird considering this is a newly produced trailer (I assume?). And yet they have all this dialogue from what I'm guessing is the earlier long cut of the film.

Ya and great dialogue at that and we see couple of shots that didn't make it through the final cut.

You can also tell by looking at the trailer 2, that there was a very different film in the editing room.

I think that the film in the longer cut was very different, especially the third act which seems, in the final cut, hacked away with no story of any kind.

 

[Sleiek]

Dude, if the Avengers end up on Asgard fighting Thanos I don't care what else happens, I drool lots of milky drool now

Holy **** that sounds amazing.

The reason why I like Thor movies more than Iron Man movies is because of Asgard. It is jaw dropping. Thor movies have better scenery than any other marvel movie, the only movie that comes close is Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[Raiden]

Holy **** that sounds amazing.

The reason why I like Thor movies more than Iron Man movies is because of Asgard. It is jaw dropping. Thor movies have better scenery than any other marvel movie, the only movie that comes close is Guardians of the Galaxy.

I agree, which makes me wonder why they keep bringing the action back to the bored Midgard.