Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5 - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Ant-manic]

So having to decide whether to end the life of your best friend who you haven't seen in 70 years doesn't resonate?

Magneto wouldn't have hesitated.

 

[TheVision]

One of my favorite scenes in any X-Men is the "Nazi coin trick" with Eric and Shaw in XMen First Class. That was badass. I think thats my fav XMen film too. There were scenes that got me sort of emotional. I loved the 60s setting, it gave the film a kind of warmth/swinging cool tone that the modern day films dont have.

 

[MynAmeIsedDie90]

So having to decide whether to end the life of your best friend who you haven't seen in almost 70 years and thought for dead doesn't emotionally resonate?

I'll be seeing DOFP in about two hours, but I have a hard time imagining how that relationship between Cap and Bucky doesn't stack up to moral decisions about killing off characters who don't have a similarly deep relationship that's been established ..... especially given how there's bound to be a lot of throwaway mutants who died.

Please. It was like 3 years for Steve.
Look, I'm not trying to bash CA:TWS. In fact, I love that movie to death. Okay yes, it was dramatic at the end. It's not like I'm a robot with no emotions. But maybe attribute it to the fact that the portrayal of Bucky and Steve's relationship wasn't really that strong to begin with considering Bucky was introduced and then subsequently killed off in the same film. We were never really shown much of their friendship. If there were a couple of movies that showed Cap and Bucky together during the war before TWS then it probably would have made a lot more impact for me. I was merely expressing my opinion. You're probably misunderstanding my original post. "I've never been so emotionally invested in a comic book movie before" does not equate to "I've never felt anything emotionally in a comic book movie before". It means that out of all the CBMs I've seen, DOFP resonated with me the most and TO ME triumphs any emotions I felt while watching the ending of CA:TWS.

I now know for sure you're gonna go into DOFP with a lens trying to compare the two, but they are really two different stories.

 

[TheVision]

The scenes that got me choked up in CATWS were when Cap visits Peggy (that one just took me by surprise) and the flashback when Steve and Bucky came back from the funeral.

 

[Crimson King]

Please. It was like 3 years for Steve.
Look, I'm not trying to bash CA:TWS. In fact, I love that movie to death. Okay yes, it was dramatic at the end. It's not like I'm a robot with no emotions. But maybe attribute it to the fact that the portrayal of Bucky and Steve's relationship wasn't really that strong to begin with considering Bucky was introduced and then subsequently killed off in the same film. We were never really shown much of their friendship. If there were a couple of movies that showed Cap and Bucky together during the war before TWS then it probably would have made a lot more impact for me. I was merely expressing my opinion. You're probably misunderstanding my original post. "I've never been so emotionally invested in a comic book movie before" does not equate to "I've never felt anything emotionally in a comic book movie before". It means that out of all the CBMs I've seen, DOFP resonated with me the most and TO ME triumphs any emotions I felt while watching the ending of CA:TWS.

I now know for sure you're gonna go into DOFP with a lens trying to compare the two, but they are really two different stories.

It sounds like you were pretty heavily invested in the X-Men, which probably colors your reaction. I've seen all of the movies, but I'd say the ending to X2 had more emotional weight. I couldn't get too concerned during DOFP because the ending seemed like a foregone conclusion. That's what happens when you announce the concept of the sequel before the first movie even hits theaters.

Also, time travel almost always robs a movie of tension, IMO. It can be done really well, but a lot of times logic ends up in the dumpster right alongside the threat we're supposed to feel.

For AoU, I'm hoping that what Whedon says is true: that all the Avengers have a hand in creating Ultron and therefore his actions are closely tied with them. It should be more personal than what they faced in A1.

 

[MynAmeIsedDie90]

It sounds like you were pretty heavily invested in the X-Men, which probably colors your reaction. I've seen all of the movies, but I'd say the ending to X2 had more emotional weight. I couldn't get too concerned during DOFP because the ending seemed like a foregone conclusion. That's what happens when you announce the concept of the sequel before the first movie even hits theaters.

Also, time travel almost always robs a movie of tension, IMO. It can be done really well, but a lot of times logic ends up in the dumpster right alongside the threat we're supposed to feel.

For AoU, I'm hoping that what Whedon says is true: that all the Avengers have a hand in creating Ultron and therefore his actions are closely tied with them. It should be more personal than what they faced in A1.

That's the weird thing. I actually didn't really like the X-Men movies since they were so Wolverine-centric and they reduced Cyclops to a minor character. X:FC was my favorite before DOFP.

But yeah let's get back to AoU. Sorry for diverging the topic. My original post was meant to express my desire for AoU to not just be a fun popcorn flick with a lot of action, but a movie that'll make me think for days and say, "Damn."

 

[TheVision]

AOU is said to be darker, more grown up, more serious in its tone. Thats basically saying that itll be something beyond just the fun popcorn flick the first one was. Also the visual style will be different, probably more of an aesthetic to fit in with the kind of movie it is.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I'm excited that Joss is calling it the Empire Strikes Back for the Avengers.

 

[MynAmeIsedDie90]

AOU is said to be darker, more grown up, more serious in its tone. Thats basically saying that itll be something beyond just the fun popcorn flick the first one was. Also the visual style will be different, probably more of an aesthetic to fit in with the kind of movie it is.

It is sounding good so far! I wonder who he's going to kill off...

 

[TheVision]

^^ I really dont want anyone to die, but I have a feeling someone will.

 

[MauriSSio]

AOU is said to be darker, more grown up, more serious in its tone. Thats basically saying that itll be something beyond just the fun popcorn flick the first one was. Also the visual style will be different, probably more of an aesthetic to fit in with the kind of movie it is.

I'll believe it when I see it. If the threat really IS bigger, someone HAS to die.otherwise it's just talk.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I don't think a main character has to die, but the villain need to leave a bigger impact on the world.

 

[TheVision]

I'll believe it when I see it. If the threat really IS bigger, someone HAS to die.otherwise it's just talk.

What happens when the threat is created by the ones who are trying to fight them? You dont need huge armies or an apocalypse to create extreme circumstances. It can be inner turmoil which is often more interesting character wise than another big baddie you can fight physically.

 

[MauriSSio]

I don't think a main character has to die, but the villain need to leave a bigger impact on the world.

Kill a bunch of random people nobody has any connection to?

 

[MauriSSio]

What happens when the threat is created by the ones who are trying to fight them? You dont need huge armies or an apocalypse to create extreme circumstances. It can be inner turmoil which is often more interesting character wise than another big baddie you can fight physically.

I agree. you don't need a huge army or apocalypse. You need inner turmoil, and there would be no bigger turmoil than someone dying. I hope it isn't the typical "Oh you hurt my friend or partner and now he's in a coma"type turmoil only to have the hurt one snap out of it at the end or miraculously show up for the final battle. The best way ultron can show his power by taking down a hero.

 

[Xhexania]

I'm excited that Joss is calling it the Empire Strikes Back for the Avengers.

hrrrmmm that movie ended with Leia prisoner, Luke fought with Darth Vader and lost his hand, got a little pull into the dark side there... and Han Solo was frozen!!
HRrrrmmm I wonder if thisl info hints to an ending that is "complicated" for some characters... and to be resolved in Avengers 3 (not to those that have their solo films, though) but I like the idea of darker!! that has certainly been what they aimed more for Thor 2 and Cap 2, maybe they will dive into it more in AoU. And it is Whedon´s best, Buffy´s second season was the darkest and it´s best, he was not afraid to make it a big game changer for all the characters in that one.

 

[Tony Stark]

I only felt DOFP's emotions at the end of the film when [blackout] Logan sees that his actions brought back Jean, Scott, Storm and Beast [/blackout]. I also really liked McAvoy's performance. They really underutilized Fasbender and Lawrence IMO. There was one great scene with Eric and Charles on the airplane, and that was about it.

TWS, was just on another level. They are two very different films, but the scene with him at Peggy's bedside and the scene at the end where he refuses to fight Bucky, are way deeper than anything we got in DOFP. And I rated DOFP a 9/10, so it's not like I didn't care for the film.

In fact I'd argue there was more emotional depth in TASM2 with Gwen's death scene. and the last 15-20 min of the film, although I thought DOFP was a far superior film.

This is all just my opinion, but the point is emotional depth means nothing without a cohesive story (see TASM2), and you don't need emotional depth to make a great movie (Avengers 1).

Avengers AoU needs to be it's own animal, it can't try to be like anything else. The story is what, the story is,the direction and actors need to conform to pulling off the script in a realized way. You always want to "up the game", but there are multiple ways to do that.

 

[Kurne]

I hope nobody dies.

There aren't many "heroes" on the current roster, at least besides Tony and Cap... I mean Hulk's still a liability, Hawkeye hasn't hit his 616 counterpart just yet and Widow... She'll always be a SHIELD agent. So far the Iron Man films have (only) really explored the superhero aspect. Until they start adding people like Simon Williams or Ms. Marvel, I'd prefer the current roster to stay alive. With the lack of powers, they need numbers. The exclusion of Wasp and Hank Pym really do take a big chunk of the core team away.

 

[Kurne]

I hope Ms. Marvel has a fairly recurring role throughout.

 

[Raiden]

Although I love DOFP, I do think they have way too many throwaway characters except the core (Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, Mystique, and on lesser level Kitty Pryde and Iceman). That's why they keep cycling characters in and out of each X-Men movie. I think Avengers' cast is smaller, but each member meant more to the team, even Agent Coulson. I do wish that they'd add more members to the team, such as WM, Falcon, and heroes like BP, Ms. Marvel, and Dr. Strange who will (hopefully) all get their own solo movies. But since they don't rotate heroes in and out of the roster, it may be tricky to try to balance all of them in the same movie without shortchanging any of them.

 

[Dr. Evil]

This guy needs to appear in the MCU sometime:

 

[MauriSSio]

I hope Ms. Marvel has a fairly recurring role throughout.

I hope they don't call her Ms. Marvel. One of the lamest super hero names.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I wouldn't mind if they brought back warbird.

 

[Broseph44]

This guy needs to appear in the MCU sometime:

Hell to the yes.

 

[MauriSSio]

I hope nobody dies.

There aren't many "heroes" on the current roster, at least besides Tony and Cap... I mean Hulk's still a liability, Hawkeye hasn't hit his 616 counterpart just yet and Widow... She'll always be a SHIELD agent. So far the Iron Man films have (only) really explored the superhero aspect. Until they start adding people like Simon Williams or Ms. Marvel, I'd prefer the current roster to stay alive. With the lack of powers, they need numbers. The exclusion of Wasp and Hank Pym really do take a big chunk of the core team away.

I don't WANT anyone to die but if Ultron isn't even capable of killing 1 hero out of half a dozen then he's just the typical villain that gets his ass kicked and doesn't really pose enough of a threat to say he's one of the baddest villains.

I never liked Wasp or ant man. Their powers were crappy.