Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5

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It's basically the same panel that some Star Wars news may come out of, if any... *Sigh* hopefully anyway
 
Yes, Agent M is live-tweeting it as we speak: https://***********/AgentM
 
Oh right. Among all the things going on, the movie is going to take some time to revisit some love backstory between her and a guy who's completely brainwashed into being a fighting machine. Must've been a sweet romance. :doh:


I said that there are potential pieces to use if they decide go down the SSS BW road. I said that there is a possible connection to make, if they were to go with SSS BW.

Ohh yeah right I forgot you knew everything that´s going to take place in the movie. So you know they can´t manage to make a flashback scene of BW and Bucky when they trained together? I don´t think that argument is good enough, because it´s not you who wrote the script, but if you say that you roughly can estimate stuff like that then I guess it´s that way?

Yeah sure I agree, it´s not logical to program a solider into feeling love. But I wouldn´t call it a sweet romance as you did. Not saying there´s any need for euphemism reagrding this phenomenon. But my view of it is that the two of them were under hard training and dicplin and let off some steam at one occasion during this time.
 
I said that there are potential pieces to use if they decide go down the SSS BW road. I said that there is a possible connection to make, if they were to go with SSS BW.

Ohh yeah right I forgot you knew everything that´s going to take place in the movie. So you know they can´t manage to make a flashback scene of BW and Bucky when they trained together? I don´t think that argument is good enough, because it´s not you who wrote the script, but if you say that you roughly can estimate stuff like that then I guess it´s that way?

You said romance, not training ..... and you are always on here trying to translate the comics directly to the MCU when Whedon has pretty much told you it's not like that.

Yeah sure I agree, it´s not logical to program a solider into feeling love. But I wouldn´t call it a sweet romance as you did. Not saying there´s any need for euphemism reagrding this phenomenon. But my view of it is that the two of them were under hard training and dicplin and let off some steam at one occasion during this time.

Sounds like some personal fapping material rather than a necessary part of the movie's story. Whedon has established that the Avengers movies are about the group and the dynamics of how they work together. He doesn't care about needless stuff like BW blowing off some steam with Winter Soldier between the sheets. The whole idea of it is freakin' moronic anyways, AGAIN he's a brainwashed killing machine.

I could see it now, BW pausing as she has a direct shot on the Winter Soldier because she suddenly remembers that hot, steamy night in Moscow. LOL .... give me a break.

..... and again MCU Black Widow does not have any kind of serum. Feige has explicitly told you as much.
 
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Bumpkis. We already know from past statements from Marvel execs like Kevin Feige that she's not a powered up hero. Deal with it.

I respectfully disagree sir. I do believe that Whedon planted a lot of clues from Widow's own mouth in The Avengers to make it clearly that SOMETHING shady happened to her. Considering her involvement in The Winter Soldier, and what we already know about the plot, it seems quite possible that some sort of "enhancement" storyline for her will play out.

Oh and no need to get testy good sir.
 
I respectfully disagree sir. I do believe that Whedon planted a lot of clues from Widow's own mouth in The Avengers to make it clearly that SOMETHING shady happened to her. Considering her involvement in The Winter Soldier, and what we already know about the plot, it seems quite possible that some sort of "enhancement" storyline for her will play out.

Oh and no need to get testy good sir.

What clues? Only discussion about her past were ATROCITIES she committed and battles she fought with Hawkeye. Her ledger was "red" remember? Unless you think they enhanced her menstrual cramps.

If there's one thing I can appreciate that Feige and Co. aren't letting happen is the dilution of the uniqueness of certain characters abilities by needlessly giving it to others. It's lazy story telling if they were to keep redundantly explaining people like BW's skillsets coming from a serum.
 
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Marvel segment at D23 appears to be over, with no new announcements or anything other than the two clips from TDW and TWS. :csad:

edit: At least the Muppets stuff sounds awesome.
 
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You said romance, not training ..... and you are always on here trying to translate the comics directly to the MCU when Whedon has pretty much told you it's not like that.


Sounds like some personal fapping material rather than a necessary part of the movie's story. Whedon has established that the Avengers movies are about the group and the dynamics of how they work together. He doesn't care about needless stuff like BW blowing off some steam with Winter Soldier between the sheets. The whole idea of it is freakin' moronic anyways, AGAIN he's a brainwashed killing machine.

I could see it now, BW pausing as she has a direct shot on the Winter Soldier because she suddenly remembers that hot, steamy night in Moscow. LOL .... give me a break.


..... and again MCU Black Widow does not have any kind of serum. Feige has explicitly told you as much.

I must admit that I often mix the comics and the MCU to create a story I could think of. It´s like the "you see what you want to see" expression you know(we have it it Sweden don´t know if you have it)? If not, fine sue me.

Let me just once and for all tell you that I am aware of this and that Whedon doesn´t follow the comics, that´s common sense. And yes, he said so himself, but they still use some very alike pieces from the comics and base the stories on the Marvel comics.

But this particular matter isn´t about that. In my first post about this my point was that if they ever were to make the SSS BW thing, then here are puzzles pieces they could use. All 3 of them weren´t strictly from the comics, but from the MCU aswell. I never calimed them to be strong argument, in fact, I don´t see the old BW thing being more likely than the other.

Ahh this last statement is interesting. Listen I´m not for or against anything If you think that. I am just saying there are possibilites and you are saying there isn´t which is fine.

I didn´t know Feige said that. On the other hand, I don´t claim the SSS BW thing to go down. Never think that! My original point orbited around the fact that they might do this and that if they decided to go with SSS BW. But if Feige has clearly told us that she isn´t SSS BW then now I know they aren´t doing that.

Man... If my flaw is that I usually use fanfiction yours is that you portray the situation in a way not intended. I mean does it have to be like you described? I doesn´t even have to be a romance. They could have trained together and even if they had a thing, do they need to involve any scenes like that?
 
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Yeah i wouldnt be surprised in the least if we come to learn that Widow has been altered somehow and that she is indeed much older than she appears to be. A spy thriller type film would be the perfect time to (briefly) delve into her backstory.
 
Black Widow must have had something inside her like Cap as she works for SHIELD also I remember In IM-2 Natasha Injects tony with a sort of serum Injection and this serum was created in Shield under the command of nick fury which holds Tony's Roadrash condition on neck but was temporary effective .
Could be like Formula Oz Teaser Maybe this will be explained in CA-TWS as she faces against Winter Soldier .

1. Most if not all of the SHIELD agents in the MCU are regular humans, so far as we know. They're just highly trained members of a paramilitary organization with advanced skills and knowledge of fighting techniques. Natasha wouldn't need any enhanced abilities to join, or even to work alongside Cap.

2. Natasha didn't inject Tony Stark with any sort of "super serum" in IM2. Nick Fury explained that she injected him with lithium dioxide, which was to counteract the effects of the palladium poisoning until Tony could discover a permanent solution.
 
People on this forum are so gullible.

"Haha, the fools! They believed my fake message board post! Step one of my plan is complete! Tomorrow, now that I have their trust, I shall convince them that I am actually a hot girl who loves comic books!

Then... the world!"
 
2. Natasha didn't inject Tony Stark with any sort of "super serum" in IM2. Nick Fury explained that she injected him with lithium dioxide, which was to counteract the effects of the palladium poisoning until Tony could discover a permanent solution.
Man, there was no reason for that moment. "Let's just significantly decrease the stakes for no reason." I was a big defender of IM2 when it came out but that moment even bothered me at the time.
 
Black Widow must have had something inside her like Cap as she works for SHIELD also I remember In IM-2 Natasha Injects tony with a sort of serum Injection and this serum was created in Shield under the command of nick fury which holds Tony's Roadrash condition on neck but was temporary effective .
Could be like Formula Oz Teaser Maybe this will be explained in CA-TWS as she faces against Winter Soldier .

I will stick to replying to the first clause, as the rest is a long run-on of irrelevance: no, working for SHIELD does not mean she must be superhuman. SHIELD has tons of personnel. Is Fury superhuman? Hill? Coulson? Barton? Are you seriously arguing that every single SHIELD agent is superhuman, and they've just never mentioned it?
 
Yes, it is possible that there could be superhumans working for SHIELD and they simple haven't mentioned it, they're a SPY organization. Not every member, but some. BW having something inside her allows you to play up the Cold War angle of her character without having her be physically middle aged, which she clearly isn't. Perhaps she ages much slower than normal humans.
 
Not everything from the TWS is getting translated word for word. BW doesn't have to have a Cold War past, and she certainly doesn't need to be revealed as having powers. She's a "badass normal" just like Barton.
 
its not necessary, but if whashisface can have "powers" in the Bourne Legacy, Hawkeye and BW can too. Not a big deal either way.

by the way, BW's augmentations don't need to have anything much to do with the SSS (other than maybe being inspired by it originally). maybe she just has an extended lifespan, which has allowed her to accumulate and hone her skills over a very very long time. or maybe she has cybernetic implants or she was part of a program similar to the girl in Hanna.

NONE of these potential revelations would diminish Cap in the least. Cap having augmented teammates makes perfect sense in the crazy post-Avengers world of the MCU. And it REALLY makes sense in a techno-spy thriller setting.
 
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its not necessary, but if whashisface can have "powers" in the Bourne Legacy, Hawkeye and BW can too. Not a big deal either way.

What does Bourne Legacy have to do with these Marvel movies?

What makes Hawkeye and BW good characters to have is that they're exceptional non-powered up heroes. Quit trying to needlessly strip them of that.
 
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