Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5

[Dark Raven]

There was never any vibranium in Ultron unlimited. There were 3 types of robots. 2 of them were made off true adamantium, some second adamantium and a lot of em titanium, I think.

Adamantium and Vibranium aren´t the same. Vibranium isn´t that hard it just absorbes, hence the question if hex magic count as something it does absorb. Adamantium on the other hand is an extremely hard metal that doesn´t store energy. It ´s weaker against heat tho.

In West coast Avengers Hawkeye uses his vibranium arrow to absorb the energy of Ultron´s trap.

I think that maybe SW uses that hex thing to beat Ultron, just not the final version. He gathers vibranium to absorb this energy, making him indestructable to her-> TA in then end. In the end tho, all Avengers combined manage to overload the vibranium thus making it expload. Thor uses lightning, Hulk bashes the body out of control, Iron man uses his lasers, Scarlet using her stuff, basically all standing around him doing their thing. (i don´t know if Hulk should smash, I am not sure how effective kinetic energy is, but it should help since he is so strong.)



The Destroyer is never going to happen so might as well stop bringing that up.

How about Destroyer armour instead?

 

[Mightyally]

How about Destroyer armour instead?

http://marvel.com/universe/Destroyer_(construct) I am talking about this.

The Destroyer and The Destroyer armour is the same.

Do you mean that he destroys The Destroyer and takes the actual armour?

 

[The Question]

"Obsessed?" It's like taking the Frankenstein novel and removing Dr. Frankenstein from the equation, and giving The Monster's creation over to Dracula instead; yet we're "obsessed" with Hank Pym? Okay.

No, it really isn't like that at all.

 

[Vartha]

http://marvel.com/universe/Destroyer_(construct) I am talking about this.

The Destroyer and The Destroyer armour is the same.

Do you mean that he destroys The Destroyer and takes the actual armour?

I THINK he was referring to the ASGARDIAN armor which in the comics and movie were two different things.

The one in the movie (IM3) never made it to film but they said they had designed it.

The one in the comics, Tony made Armor ON ASGARD in the Dwarves' forges (looked pretty cool)

THEN there's the THORBUSTER armor that LOOKS like the Destroyer BUT is powered by Asgardian energy made to stop then KING Thor during the Reigning arc.

 

[DyeLorean]

If they can't use the word 'Adamantium'. They could probably get around it by claiming Ultron built himself w/some unknown metal that's stronger than they ever seen.

They can "bleep" it like Uma Thurman's character in Kill Bill t:

 

[Rock Sexton]

There was never any vibranium in Ultron unlimited. There were 3 types of robots. 2 of them were made off true adamantium, some second adamantium and a lot of em titanium, I think.

Why does that matter? The movie is not going to be based off of "Ultron Unlimited" .... or did you not get that memo?

The Destroyer is never going to happen so might as well stop bringing that up.

SHIELD has the Destroyer armor somewhere in their possession. They created a gun based off of it. Why is there not a chance of Ultron's armor being fashioned from it?

Again, only that or Vibranium are the two known elements that could handle blows from Thor or the Hulk.

http://marvel.com/universe/Destroyer_(construct) I am talking about this.

The Destroyer and The Destroyer armour is the same.

Do you mean that he destroys The Destroyer and takes the actual armour?

What else could anyone possibly mean when they say Ultron's armour could be made from the remnants of the Destroyer?

 

[cph9fa]

It just occurred to me, in light of A2 being announced as AoU, that there was some extra context behind something Whedon back when IM3 came out. Joss said, "Now what am I going to do in Avengers?" and everyone thought it was either a general reference to how big and spectacular the final act was, or a reference to Tony blowing up all his armors at the end (both of which are true, no doubt).

But now there's also the fact that A2 is going to be about battling a sentient AI robot, and we already saw something similar in IM3. I wonder if Whedon plans (or planned) for Ultron to take over multiple bodies at once and have a big multi-robot army at the end.

 

[Mightyally]

I THINK he was referring to the ASGARDIAN armor which in the comics and movie were two different things.

The one in the movie (IM3) never made it to film but they said they had designed it.

The one in the comics, Tony made Armor ON ASGARD in the Dwarves' forges (looked pretty cool)

THEN there's the THORBUSTER armor that LOOKS like the Destroyer BUT is powered by Asgardian energy made to stop then KING Thor during the Reigning arc.

Lol, I saw it in another way.

I know that they managed to create the weapon that Coulson fires with on Loki from the Destroyer somehow. I guess if it´s a weaker form of the actual Destroyer that looks the same, its armour could be used. I don´t think that will be the case. It must be vibranium!

 

[Mightyally]

Why does that matter? The movie is not going to be based off of "Ultron Unlimited" .... or did you not get that memo?

You must start reading. Where did I say that AoU was based on Unlimited?
I asked if hex magic could go around vibranium: "What would happen in the comics if SW used her hex magic on or around(to get inside Ultron´s body) vibranium, would it just absorb it?"

I got this:"That actually happens in Ultron Unlimited. Scarlet Witch's powers are a weakness for Ultron. Which leads me to believe that I know how this bad boy ends. QS and SW are criminals that Ultron releases from prison to plague the Avengers. They then wise up and join and they provide the fatal blows."

So I said, that was´t vibranium that was adamantium therefore his answer is not relevant because it was never about how she did it "go around" or if he was weak against it, it was about if the vibranium can absorb it.

"There was never any vibranium in Ultron unlimited. There were 3 types of robots. 2 of them were made off true adamantium, some second adamantium and a lot of em titanium, I think.
Adamantium and Vibranium aren´t the same. Vibranium isn´t that hard it just absorbes, hence the question if hex magic count as something it does absorb. Adamantium on the other hand is an extremely hard metal that doesn´t store energy. It ´s weaker against heat tho."

My #511 was written before I saw you #509 btw

 

[Rock Sexton]

Lol, I saw it in another way.

I know that they managed to create the weapon that Coulson fires with on Loki from the Destroyer somehow. I guess if it´s a weaker form of the actual Destroyer that looks the same, its armour could be used. I don´t think that will be the case. It must be vibranium!

There is no way that if they do that, the armor will be "weaker". It would be cut from the body of the Destroyer and Ultron will use it as his own ....... theoretically speaking.

 

[Mightyally]

There is no way that if they do that, the armor will be "weaker". It would be cut from the body of the Destroyer and Ultron will use it as his own ....... theoretically speaking.

I know what they mean. It´s not that.It´s that the MCU Destroyer isn´t the same as the one in the comics. I never reflected over that because they look the same. So I understand now that they could use the armour that is broken for Ultron´s body since the armour is "weaker" than Comics Destroyer´s armour.

I didn´t think, until now, that the MCU destroyer was ripped apart or could be ripped apart because I thoght it to be as powerful as the one in the comics.

I always thought Shield found a way to come up with that gun eventhough it was intact.

 

[Rock Sexton]

I know what they mean. It´s not that.It´s that the MCU Destroyer isn´t the same as the one in the comics. I never reflected over that because they look the same. So I understand now that they could use the armour that is broken for Ultron´s body since the armour is "weaker" than Comics Destroyer´s armour.

I didn´t think, until now, that the MCU destroyer was ripped apart or could be ripped apart because I thoght it to be as powerful as the one in the comics.

I always thought Shield found a way to come up with that gun eventhough it was intact.

Who cares if the Destroyer armor is different from the comics. This isn't the comics. This is the MCU. Everything has been adapted. Again, use your logic here ..... there are only two known established elements within this universe that could potentially hold up against a Thor/Hulk attack and those are Vibranium and the Destroyer's armor.

Granted I found it a weee bit kooky that they figured out how to replicate the Destroyer's blast ..... but after seeing that, the MCU is actively telling us SHIELD has the know-how to reverse engineer some of these things.

 

[Mightyally]

Who cares if the Destroyer armor is different from the comics. This isn't the comics. This is the MCU. Everything has been adapted. Again, use your logic here ..... there are only two known established elements within this universe that could potentially hold up against a Thor/Hulk attack and those are Vibranium and the Destroyer's armor.

Granted I found it a weee bit kooky that they figured out how to replicate the Destroyer's blast ..... but after seeing that, the MCU is actively telling us SHIELD has the know-how to reverse engineer some of these things.

I know it´s the MCU. Just never imagined the MCU adapted Destroyer could be you now, destroyed. I assumed ppl meant that Ultron was to inhabit the whole thing until recently when I understood that it actually could be ripped apart and therefore used in a way that doesn´t require Ultron to possess/inhabit it.

Yeah about the 2 only things that are strong enough, I agree on the fact that those 2 are the only possible materials in an defensive aspect. I just threw the destroyer armour theory away because I thought it would require Ultron to inhabit/possess it, which I couldn´t see.

I don´t really think he will use it anyway. But as we talked about earlier. How will he harm Hulk or Thor? It can definitely be the Destroyer gun tech, so that would implicate the Destroyer anyway. I seriously hope the find another way for his defensive/offensive abilities to reach Thor/Hulk lvl

 

[jaqua99]

How about just natural power?

You know? Ultron grows in self-awareness, and becomes more intelligent and advanced, to the point where he can rebuild his own body with, vibranium, and create incredible powerful weapons that are a part of it.

 

[palewest]

nachos?

 

[mkilban2]

heh can you imagine if Ultron had a few of himself and one throws the other made of Uru and the target ducks and URU-Utlron returns to the other Ultron destroying them both. lol

LOVE that one subtle difference in the two metals, URU returns to the owner.
ooo lookit post 500 for the thread

I wanna see this now! Just for a little silly moment and it would be fantastic

 

[Hyde]

It just occurred to me, in light of A2 being announced as AoU, that there was some extra context behind something Whedon back when IM3 came out. Joss said, "Now what am I going to do in Avengers?" and everyone thought it was either a general reference to how big and spectacular the final act was, or a reference to Tony blowing up all his armors at the end (both of which are true, no doubt).

But now there's also the fact that A2 is going to be about battling a sentient AI robot, and we already saw something similar in IM3. I wonder if Whedon plans (or planned) for Ultron to take over multiple bodies at once and have a big multi-robot army at the end.

That is an excellent theory.

 

[Dark Raven]

Lol, I saw it in another way.

I know that they managed to create the weapon that Coulson fires with on Loki from the Destroyer somehow. I guess if it´s a weaker form of the actual Destroyer that looks the same, its armour could be used. I don´t think that will be the case. It must be vibranium!

Ultron can use cannibalised parts of the Destroyer or Destroyer's armour, even if it's just somehow melted down and reshaped into the familiar form of Ultron we know. It is enchanted and not of this world, and could have similar properties to adamantium, since they can't use the actual material in the MCU.

 

[Mightyally]

Yeah sure! Will it happen? No I don´t think so.

I admit there is a possibility now that I understand the reverse engineering part and that the Destroyer isn´t in fact as powerful as in the comics which allow them to work with the remains of the Destroyer, but wouldn´t you prefer vibranium? I think it´s a good way to bring in BP and the environment + the stories/introduction of the place has so much more to offer than Ultron somehow getting Destroyer parts.

I know that parts from the Destroyer can provide him with the firepower and armour but it doesn´t make any sense. It´s better to take something that everyone has seen. Captain America shield -> vibranium. You must have seen Thor to know about the Destroyer. I know this isn´t a strong argument lol but I hope someone gets it.

 

[Dark Raven]

Yeah sure! Will it happen? No I don´t think so.

I admit there is a possibility now that I understand the reverse engineering part and that the Destroyer isn´t in fact as powerful as in the comics which allow them to work with the remains of the Destroyer, but wouldn´t you prefer vibranium? I think it´s a good way to bring in BP and the environment + the stories/introduction of the place has so much more to offer than Ultron somehow getting Destroyer parts.

I know that parts from the Destroyer can provide him with the firepower and armour but it doesn´t make any sense. It´s better to take something that everyone has seen. Captain America shield -> vibranium. You must have seen Thor to know about the Destroyer. I know this isn´t a strong argument lol but I hope someone gets it.

And you must have seen Captain America to know about Vibranium.

And it isn't a problem introducing either material in the Avengers.

 

[Mightyally]

And you must have seen Captain America to know about Vibranium.

And it isn't a problem introducing either material in the Avengers.

Lol. I suppose one must see captain america to have seen his shield or that it´s pretty resistant? You must have seen captain america to know it´s vibranium.

To have seen the destroyer you must have seen Thor. To know about the material it´s made of, well I don´t think no one knows.
Anyway, it´s not about the mentioning of the name of the material. It´s the association of it and what it can do. Cap´s shield > Destroyer

Would you rather have the Destroyer parts, pls tell me that?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

nachos?

mmmm nachos

 

[jaqua99]

Lol. I suppose one must see captain america to have seen his shield or that it´s pretty resistant? You must have seen captain america to know it´s vibranium.

To have seen the destroyer you must have seen Thor. To know about the material it´s made of, well I don´t think no one knows.
Anyway, it´s not about the mentioning of the name of the material. It´s the association of it and what it can do. Cap´s shield > Destroyer

Would you rather have the Destroyer parts, pls tell me that?

I get the point you are trying to make, and I gotta say, i disagree. As for the part I bolded, where did you get that impression?

Nothing in the Thor movie suggests that.

Here are a few things to ponder, yes, it was a short fight, and in terms of scale compared to Thor, it wasn't as powerful as it should be. However, you saying, Cap's Shield > Destroyer has no wall to fall back on, other than the outcome of the Destroy fight. Which really doesn't prove Cap's Shield is > Destroyer, in terms of durability.

Think about this. Thor is a 1000+ years old. He's a warrior. He knows his strength, and his power. He did not choose to physically challenge the destroyer. Instead, he created a storm, and had to resort to his powers to defeat it. Thor never physically struck the Destroyer. He must have KNEW it was TOO durable for him to damage, or stop, hence him having to resort to his powers.

As for the way Thor defeated the Destroyer, it has nothing to do with durability of the armor. It shot energy blasts at him, thor blocked it, and pushed it back into what ultimately seemed like the opening on the face, and into the interior. He defeated the destroyer by using it's energy against it, and more than likely destroying it from the inside.

That's what it was. I agree about the fight, and it was dumbed down, I get that. But to say that the destroyer is less durable than caps shield cause of that fight, well that conclusion can't be made.

All we know about the Destroyer is that it is made from an unknown metal, and that Thor chose not to engage it in physical combat. If Thor feels confident enough to fight Hulk fist to fist, him going RIGHT to weather powers, and not physically engaging the Destroyer could certainly lead one to assume the exact opposite of what you are saying


actually, at the beginning of the fight, he did knock it over with a throw. But after that, it went right to weather. He must have knew he couldn't physically damage it. It could be every bit as durable as vibranium, just because the hammer knocked over the destroy once at the beginning from behind (which had zero effect) doesn't mean it was less durable than caps shield.

 

[number1lakeboy]

Quick question and I hope a lot of people put their two cents in....

Who do you think will save the day in Avengers AoU? Stark got the call in Avengers 1, but my best guess without us knowing anything about the script, is Thor. He was dumbbed down in the first team up, so I'm guessing he is the hero at the end of AoU

 

[Dark Raven]

Quick question and I hope a lot of people put their two cents in....

Who do you think will save the day in Avengers AoU? Stark got the call in Avengers 1, but my best guess without us knowing anything about the script, is Thor. He was dumbbed down in the first team up, so I'm guessing he is the hero at the end of AoU

Scarlet Witch.