Age of Ultron The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5

[cph9fa]

I find it hilarious how y'all are still defending against an imaginary argument that no one's even made... Perhaps we can get back to a more interesting and relevant topic?

The Avengers is a sort of loosely-organized group of heroes in the film universe, quite unlike their comic book incarnation. They have no set protocol for summoning members, no communication devices for when they're not in contact. There are going to be times when some of the heroes simply aren't available, such as when Thor is in Asgard, Cap is on a mission, Iron Man is incommunicado (as in Iron Man 3), etc. They also tend to scatter to the winds when not needed for an emergency. In light of all that it makes perfect sense to me that there could be times when one or more members can't be located in time to handle a crisis.

So how do people think the Avengers will reassemble for the second film? Neither Tony or Steve want to play Fury's game in TA, so maybe SHIELD isn't responsible for reassembling them. What will bring Thor back to Midgard, or Banner out of... wherever he's staying while counseling Tony? Will it be Ultron, acting as a big bad right off the bat, or will there be an initial threat that causes them to assemble first. Maybe the Maximoffs?

And how do they re-establish that contact? Obviously, Tony's not hard to find, and he seems to be keeping in touch with Bruce. Cap and Natasha seem to be practically tied to the hip in TWS, and I imagine Hawkeye probably can't be too far behind. That still leaves Thor out.

 

[Loki882]

If the threat is big enough, they'll find each other again. I'm more interested in how Wanda and Pietro will be introduced.

 

[Aztec]

I just watched TA again (god I love this movie) and I think the communication devices are clearly present and covered. Thor and Hulk don't have them but as a previous poster points out they don't actually do any long distance talking. So yes it all works.

Also after viewing it again I am now convinced that Black Widow is "more than human" in some way shape or form. The whole "being unmade", controlled, and the extra shady suggestions about her past have me convinced that there is something "extra" about her. Perhaps CA:TWS will delve into this? Perhaps like Bucky the soviets did some stuff to her too? I believe so, and I kind of hope so because it would explain a lot about her ability to hang with the big boys.

 

[Loki882]

Aztec, well, in the comics, BW was given a Soviet version of the Infinity Formula AND the SSS, so maybe that's what she was referring to. She's almost 90, but looks like someone in her mid to late 20's. It might also explain how she was able to jump and grab that flying Chitauri bike without her arms getting ripped of.

 

[Bam-Bam]

Also after viewing it again I am now convinced that Black Widow is "more than human" in some way shape or form. The whole "being unmade", controlled, and the extra shady suggestions about her past have me convinced that there is something "extra" about her. Perhaps CA:TWS will delve into this? Perhaps like Bucky the soviets did some stuff to her too? I believe so, and I kind of hope so because it would explain a lot about her ability to hang with the big boys.

correct me if i'm wrong, but i thought Black Widow went through a similar laboratory experiment as Steve Rogers.

Natasha has received the Red Room's variant of the Super-Soldier Serum. As a result, her physical and mental abilities had been enhanced slightly beyond human limits.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Widow_(Natalia_Romanova)#cite_note-46
The Black Widow has been enhanced by biotechnology that makes her body resistant to aging and disease and heals at an above human rate; as well as psychological conditioning that suppresses her memory of true events as opposed to implanted ones of the past without the aid of specially designed system suppressant drugs.

this info is from Black Widow's wiki page

 

[Xeno]

So what are viewers thinking when the actors are seemingly talking to no one? Are they thinking their talking to imaginary people? Come on, you have to be a moron if you don't realize they have some kind communication device. Lol

Communication devices are so common in films and TV shows these days that it's almost taken for granted.

What I find ridiculous about the "no comm devices" plothole argument is the fact that tiny Bluetooth devices are so commonplace now that everyone has to be aware of them. I've lost track of the number of times I've been near someone who was talking on a phone, yet I couldn't see the device in their ear. So why did some people have so much trouble understanding that several of the Avengers had comm devices when they were talking to one another? That doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I find it hilarious how y'all are still defending against an imaginary argument that no one's even made...

mmm?

They didn't have any actual communications devices, it was a goof.

 

[Xeno]

I find it hilarious how y'all are still defending against an imaginary argument that no one's even made... Perhaps we can get back to a more interesting and relevant topic?

No one?

To be fair, in the film, they didn't have communication devices when they were in contact either...

 

[Mightyally]

Regarding BW and SSS. I am not saying they are going to do this but there is a way to do that.

1. She shows mad combat skills and that jump she made with cap was insane, I know this isn´t real life but still.

2. She and Bucky had a brief romantic moment in the comics, so I could see a potential connection there for Cap: TWS. That would require her to be pretty old.

3. In Iron man 2 they say something like "Wow, she speaks latin, who does that?" "No one anymore" I don´t know but if she is like a hundred years old, maybe she was taught latin then. It´s prob cause she is a spy lol.

I know how it sounds. I just mean that some pieces are there to use in case.

 

[cph9fa]

No one?

Yep. Imaginary argument. See that little red emoticon that you quoted? As I explained once before, it indicates a joke -- as in humor -- as in not to be taken seriously. Apparently a bad joke that went WHOOSH over everyone's head, but a joke nonetheless. So just chillax. It was meant to be briefly chuckled at, and passed right over, not taken seriously and dissected to pieces for pages. Clearly the characters were using communication devices, I was just taking a cheap potshot at the apparent lack of on-screen portrayal of whatever device they presumably had (especially when compared to the large, and very obvious in-ear devices that Fury, Hill, and Coulson are all wearing). And this is the last I will mention it, I hope.

Also after viewing it again I am now convinced that Black Widow is "more than human" in some way shape or form.

I dunno, I kinda hope they don't go that route. I think it could weaken the whole "nothing we were ever trained for" line, and the appeal of the non-supers fighting alongside the supers. I won't say it can't be done, but I think it would be very hard to make it not feel forced. Especially the anti-aging aspect. But we'll see what happens; maybe I'll be surprised.

 

[Loki882]

Not really, she was a trained Soviet assassin, they Soviets have a version of the SSS and they gave it to their top assassin, makes sense to me. The SSS doesn't make someone not human or give them superpowers. Cap does not have superpowers.

 

[Xeno]

Regarding BW and SSS. I am not saying they are going to do this but there is a way to do that.

1. She shows mad combat skills and that jump she made with cap was insane, I know this isn´t real life but still.

2. She and Bucky had a brief romantic moment in the comics, so I could see a potential connection there for Cap: TWS. That would require her to be pretty old.

3. In Iron man 2 they say something like "Wow, she speaks latin, who does that?" "No one anymore" I don´t know but if she is like a hundred years old, maybe she was taught latin then. It´s prob cause she is a spy lol.

I know how it sounds. I just mean that some pieces are there to use in case.

The Latin bit might indicate that Natasha received her education long ago, but Latin is still taught in schools. I took Latin in college and met plenty of people who learned it in high school. Very few people do go so far as to learn Latin well enough to speak it, but even that isn't unheard of. Though I can't imagine that speaking Latin would be of use to a spy unless she was trying to infiltrate the Vatican, which isn't a likely scenario.


As for Natasha's physical abilities, I'm putting that down to movie physics until/unless it's otherwise stated outright. Natasha's leap up to the flying sled was outrageous, but the same can be said of all those characters who get hit by cars, roll over the hoods, hit the ground and get up running without injury. Those are both examples of the ways action movies disregard the real world consequences of physical acts. Another explanation may be given for Natasha's feats later on, of course.

 

[Broseph44]

It's pretty clear that shield set them up with comm devices, that could also be patched into Tony's suit. I don't see why anyone wouldn't see this. Especially in the beginning of the film Hill and Fury talking to one another through a comm device. Clearly they hooked up Cap with one as well as Widow.

 

[Mightyally]

What do you think of this?

In Iron man 3 there is AIM involvement. AIM usually means Arnim Zola, who we btw saw in TFA. So they were able to scan/map Killian´s brain and he showed that to PP. So if Zola works with AIM and Killian is dead or mia, couldn´t he be the leader? And if so, coldn´t he use this brain mapping method to his own brain and use it for an A.I made to infiltrate Stark´s systems.

So Ultron would be based on Zola´s brain which would make him instabile. We know Zola isn´t that crazy in TFA but he could be now (we will see in TWS).
Ultron is used to spy/attack/steal Stark. So we get a Frankenstein scenario where the creation goes nuts and Frankenstein can´t control it.

 

[Mr. Dent]

I think you're confusing MODOK with Arnim Zola.

 

[SuperJediHero]

Think they will reveal something big at D23?

 

[metaphysician]

I can't really see Black Widow being superhuman. We saw her fight evenly with and alongside Hawkeye; did he get some serum, too?

The MCU simply isn't one of those settings where you have to be superhuman in order to do anything remotely impressive. Skill and talent will take you far.

 

[DrCosmic]

Plus, it seemed like they made a big deal of the lull in the fighting where Cap was fine and Tasha was super-winded. That's not two super soldiers there.

 

[SilentWarriorZ]

Black Widow must have had something inside her like Cap as she works for SHIELD also I remember In IM-2 Natasha Injects tony with a sort of serum Injection and this serum was created in Shield under the command of nick fury which holds Tony's Roadrash condition on neck but was temporary effective .
Could be like Formula Oz Teaser Maybe this will be explained in CA-TWS as she faces against Winter Soldier .

 

[Mightyally]

I think you're confusing MODOK with Arnim Zola.

No I don´t confuse anything. It´s just me not expressing my thoughts in a suffcient way.

I should have mentioned that Hydra which had Zola, has an "offspring" called AIM. We usually think M.O.D.O.K when we hear A.I.M but he was leading A.I.M after Shield took them down at one point.

Although Hydra suffered a major defeat, it continued to exist secretly over the following decades, continually growing and building in strength. The group of scientists grew in number over the years, and made great advances in various fields: robotics, bioengineering, bionics, and physics. Eventually the scientists publicly incorporated their organization under the name of Advance Idea Mechanics.

I am thinking TWS will be about this take down. It´s the MCU we don´t need Von Strucker to lead AIM, we got Killian instead. If Killian is that "big" in IM 3 then we could easily have Zola in AIM for Cap TWS.
So in TWS I think we´ll see how Zola uses this brain mapping method to create a weapon A.I. I don´t know his motives, but to infiltrate Stark´s systems and take over Jarvis would be awesome.

After S.H.I.E.L.D defeated Hydra, A.I.M. attempted to force S.H.I.E.L.D Director Nicholas Fury out of his position. This attempt, publicly led by Count Bornag Royale, failed. Instead, Fury exposed A.I.M. as a subversive organization. Although S.H.I.E.L.D believed it had put an end to A.I.M.'s operation, much of the organization's membership escaped capture. A.I.M.'s links with the secretly active Hydra remained undiscovered. However, immediately upon the demise of Baron Strucker and most of Hydra's leading members in the destruction of Hydra Island, A.I.M. (now under the leadership of M.O.D.O.K.) severed its ties with Hydra, and has remained an independent organization ever since

So M.O.D.O.K comes in to the picture after the take down, I never think we will see him on the big screen tbh

http://marvel.wikia.com/Advanced_Idea_Mechanics_(Earth-616)

 

[SpideyFan866]

Think they will reveal something big at D23?

Yes.

They already announced that their unannounced films are getting announced today.

Basically, Phase 3.

Also, I expect that the cast for The Avengers: Age of Ultron will be announced as well.

We also could see Hank Pym's actor announced for Ant-Man, but thats a bit reaching.

The 2 former are far more likely.

 

[Mr. Dent]

When is Marvel's panel at D23 anyway?

 

[Mightyally]

Spideyfan, that´s good to hear. I didn´t know about it at all!

 

[Rock Sexton]

Also after viewing it again I am now convinced that Black Widow is "more than human" in some way shape or form. The whole "being unmade", controlled, and the extra shady suggestions about her past have me convinced that there is something "extra" about her. Perhaps CA:TWS will delve into this? Perhaps like Bucky the soviets did some stuff to her too? I believe so, and I kind of hope so because it would explain a lot about her ability to hang with the big boys.

Bumpkis. We already know from past statements from Marvel execs like Kevin Feige that she's not a powered up hero. Deal with it.

 

[Rock Sexton]

2. She and Bucky had a brief romantic moment in the comics, so I could see a potential connection there for Cap: TWS. That would require her to be pretty old.

Oh right. Among all the things going on, the movie is going to take some time to revisit some love backstory between her and a guy who's completely brainwashed into being a fighting machine. Must've been a sweet romance.