BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 14

[Mutante]

How do you want him to show you "the real stuff" when it's never been adapted in a Batman movie (as of today)? Superman's costume looked great in the Reeve movies.

It´s easy to point to an illustration and say: "I want this". But "This", most of the time, only looks good on paper. And the Reeve costume is a good example of what i´m talking about. It´s faithful to the comics, but at the end of the day, it doesn´t look as cool as it does in the comics. It basically looks like a guy wearing spandex or something like that. It´s understandable given the time the movie was made (same can be said for the 1966 Batman costume), but it still looks kind of silly.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

It´s easy to point to an illustration and say: "I want this". But "This", most of the time, only looks good on paper. And the Reeve costume is a good example of what i´m talking about. It´s faithful to the comics, but at the end of the day, it doesn´t look as cool as it does in the comics. It basically looks like a guy wearing spandex or something like that. It´s understandable given the time the movie was made (same can be said for the 1966 Batman costume), but it still looks kind of silly.

Yeah, that's exactly why painting has been ridiculed as an artform for hundreds of years, because artists just don't know how to paint photo-realistically. That's exactly why Spider-Man 2 decided not to use paintings in it's opening credits. Because everything looked wrong.

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[The_Harvest]

It´s easy to point to an illustration and say: "I want this". 1/But "This", most of the time, only looks good on paper. 2/And the Reeve costume is a good example of what i´m talking about. It´s faithful to the comics, but at the end of the day, it doesn´t look as cool as it does in the comics. It basically looks like a guy wearing spandex or something like that. It´s understandable given the time the movie was made (same can be said for the 1966 Batman costume), but it still looks kind of silly.

1/ You make a conclusion based on your opinion. The "most of the time" part is something you made up. Most of the time studios decide to add their own touch to the costumes. We rarely get the costumes as they appear in the comic books. Look at the X-men (especially Wolverine).
2/I think you mean that Christopher Reeves doesn't look as huge as the comic book Superman. Which I would agree on. Are you sure that if we make a poll today that people will share your opinion on the Superman The Movie suit.

 

[BattleAngel]

1/ You make a conclusion based on your opinion. The "most of the time" part is something you made up. Most of the time studios decide to add their own touch to the costumes. We rarely get the costumes as they appear in the comic books. Look at the X-men (especially Wolverine).
2/I think you mean that Christopher Reeves doesn't look as huge as the comic book Superman. Which I would agree on. Are you sure that if we make a poll today that people will share your opinion on the Superman The Movie suit.

100% agreed. As far as I'm concerned, the few times that we've gotten something very close to the comics (ie. '89 Joker, Raimi's Spider-Man suit, the ASM2 suit, the Thor suit, the 3rd Cap Suit, the Iron Man suit, or even Rorschach, etc.), it's been far more pleasing than when we don't. Almost no one wants the spandex look - as far as I'm concerned, even though a lot of the comic suits are "painted on" so to speak, I've always imagined them in my mind's eye with a lot more texture than we see on the page. And based on manips of physically photographed or very well rendered 3d images (let's admit it, most of the time, we end up with 3d renderings anyway in real movies), at least as far as Batman is concerned, there is no reason not to think that a very traditional suit wouldn't look kick ass. I'm personally of the opinion that Ben Affleck's physique is going to be right for the role, but I'd say that there's a much greater chance of Affleck's physique making Batman look bad than a well constructed costume designed to look like the traditional costume.

 

[John-An]

Just for the Fleck of it, I Fleck'd Vigilant's newest pics and added a background. I think I've done just about every pic he's posted now...

and with his original eye thingy...

Outstanding!!!!

 

[Mutante]

Yeah, that's exactly why painting has been ridiculed as an artform for hundreds of years, because artists just don't know how to paint photo-realistically. That's exactly why Spider-Man 2 decided not to use paintings in it's opening credits. Because everything looked wrong.

I don´t really know what you´re talking about and i don´t think you got the point.

I´m SIMPLY saying that not everything can be translated from comics to live action without looking silly. A lot of times a costume in a comic book looks simply like a thin piece of fabric who molds perfectly to the body, creating a powerful effect. It´s almost like they´re naked. You really don´t notice the fabric, but the body itself. However, in real life, if someone wears a similar piece of fabric, it somehow won´t look as good and imposing as it looks in the comics, hence the decision of using armour and fake muscles in the movies. It´s to avoid that simple silly look that you get when you try to literally copy comic books. Zack Snyder undertood this, that´s why he used a different kind of material and fake muscles.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

No, I got your point just fine, thanks for your concern. But the post I respinded to was about how you criticised paintings because they don't look 'real enough' paintings are different to comic book illustrations. Paintings are supposed to be accurate representations of real life, they have texture, depth, proper lighting. Criticising a painting is like criticising a photograph or sculpture.

A comic book panel is generally black outlines, little depth or texture and very occasionally PS lighting effects. Considering you need 20 odd pages per month is understandable.

 

[BatFan1979]

To add an opinion in the middle of your debate: paintings are commonly known as an expressive artform. On the whole, artisits paint in order to put their own spin on real life. However, some do strive for photorealism, but its not really a medium thats meant for that IMO, especially in this day and age. If you want photorealism, take a photo- thats the advantage of living at a time where both are accessible. Even with PS, you can add painting effects to photos if that strikes your fancy.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

That's fine, if anything I shouldn't have been so broad with the term "painting" obviously there are many art styles, Van Gogh and Picasso are hardly the same style as Michaeloangelo or Da Vinci.

 

[craigaat]

That BB suit looks brilliant in grey.

 

[lujho]

That BB suit looks brilliant in grey.

Wow, I think it looks awful, especially that light a shade. Makes it look so obviously like a piece of rubber.

 

[SofNascimento]

Here, the new Batsuit... also, Catwoman confirmed and you can even see a bit of Wondie!

 

[lujho]

I know everyone's seen it by now, but THIS is how you do a comic-book style cowl. Wouldn't take much alteration for this to be a great Batman cowl or Daredevil cowl or whomever.

I don't think it's leather, but it's sculpted with a leather texture so it almost looks like it is. I think that's what Batman's cowl should probably be.

 

[The Guard]

It's Mexican Knockoff Bat of the Man!

 

[roach]

It's Mexican Knockoff Bat of the Man!

Bat-Manuel?

 

[BatFan1979]

I´m ok with something that doesn´t look like heavy armour. You can make something similar to the Captain America suit, though i don´t think that would look cool in grey. Maybe a very dark grey, but not the grey we see in comics most of the time.

Black just makes everything look better.

Here's a manip I did a little while back from a base image done by a couple other guys. I posted this previously, but thought it pertained directly to your comment. The new CA suit was used for the initial design and then I altered the chest and abs a bit more to get the look I thought worked best for Bats. This shade of gray works well I think and would look great in live action. However, the cowl is one of my favorite parts - very sleek and form-fitting!

 

[regwec]

Very nice indeed.

 

[Shikamaru]

I don´t really know what you´re talking about and i don´t think you got the point.

I´m SIMPLY saying that not everything can be translated from comics to live action without looking silly. A lot of times a costume in a comic book looks simply like a thin piece of fabric who molds perfectly to the body, creating a powerful effect. It´s almost like they´re naked. You really don´t notice the fabric, but the body itself. However, in real life, if someone wears a similar piece of fabric, it somehow won´t look as good and imposing as it looks in the comics, hence the decision of using armour and fake muscles in the movies. It´s to avoid that simple silly look that you get when you try to literally copy comic books. Zack Snyder undertood this, that´s why he used a different kind of material and fake muscles.

There is a huge misconception here. Batman and Superman don't wear skintight fabric in the comics. The costumes are just depicted that way due to creative license. In the context of the DC universe itself, their fabric is much thicker and more realistic, much like the MOS suit.

 

[Mutante]

There is a huge misconception here. Batman and Superman don't wear skintight fabric in the comics. The costumes are just depicted that way due to creative license. In the context of the DC universe itself, their fabric is much thicker and more realistic, much like the MOS suit.

Depends on what comics we are talking about. I´ve seen plenty of comics where the suit is ripped and looks pretty thin. Most of the time i see nothing that suggests that the suit is anything like what we see in MOS. So, there is really no particular texture to replicate. It looks like thin fabric, so if you wanna make an accurate representation, you´ll have something like the Reeve suit, not the MOS suit.

 

[Shikamaru]

Depends on what comics we are talking about. I´ve seen plenty of comics where the suit is ripped and looks pretty thin. Most of the time i see nothing that suggests that the suit is anything like what we see in MOS. So, there is really no particular texture to replicate. It looks like thin fabric, so if you wanna make an accurate representation, you´ll have something like the Reeve suit, not the MOS suit.

That's exactly my point. It looks like thin fabric, but it isn't. It just looks like thin fabric due to creative license (meaning it looks better on paper that way and is easier to draw).

 

[BatFan1979]

Here's a manip I just completed - a simple Batfleck solo piece

As it says on the image, the model is by Vigilant, but I did change it a bit; altered the ears a bit, thinned the neck some, removed the seam between the cowl and cape, and of course put in Affleck's face. I also added one glowing eye for effect (in thoughts that the eyes would glow only in shadow) and the Batsymbol above.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ That's just what I want

Pupils in the light, a glow in the dark

 

[John-An]

Here's a manip I just completed - a simple Batfleck solo piece

As it says on the image, the model is by Vigilant, but I did change it a bit; altered the ears a bit, thinned the neck some, removed the seam between the cowl and cape, and of course put in Affleck's face. I also added one glowing eye for effect (in thoughts that the eyes would glow only in shadow) and the Batsymbol above.

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BatFan1979]

Thanks - yeah, I think the varying pupil/eye-glow may be be the best of both worlds. I just hope they use it at some point for dramatic effect...would be awesome!!

 

[BatFan1979]

Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks! Here's a version with Bats in almost full shadow...