BvS The Batsuit Thread - Part 8

[Lencho01]

Thanks

No problem.

If the trunks need a reason, then either the harness thing or covering up a groin box serve well enough. I'd rather Snyder doesn't bore us rigid with a detailed yet implausible reason for every little thing, though.

If there are trunks, I hope there isn't a reason for them.

 

[Boy Scout]

Well, it doesn't have to brightened up too much, just noticeable would be fine.

I agree. Brightening the colors just a bit would make the suit look even better.

 

[Boy Scout]

EDIT: Double post. I'm handsome. That is all.

 

[Bathead]

No problem.



If there are trunks, I hope there isn't a reason for them.

There really doesn't need to be a reason.

 

[Lencho01]

There really doesn't need to be a reason.

Agreed. It's just that some people (usually adults) get all hung up on it and want everything to be explained.

If there were a reason, I'd go with Clark and Bruce being wrestling fans as they grew up and they just thought it'd look cool. But, in Clark case he got lucky that the people of Krypton just happened to have the trunk look as part of their culture, so he was all when Jor-El gave him his suit. t:

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Somebody pointed out that Dr.Manhattan is a good example of how white eyes can work in live action,I decided to watch the movie again just to see them and I have to say.....I think I might be coming around on the idea of batman having them.

It would really make him look otherworldly.
Which is kind of what I'd like to see.
He should be somewhat frightening/unsettling to us as an audience if they want to play heavily on the idea that he's so frightening to criminals.
Like when Alfred first saw him in the suit in mask of the phantasm.
I kind of feel like the human connection that people like to have with Bruce/Batman should be severed or at least lessened when he puts on the batsuit.

 

[Boy Scout]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Dr. Manhattan was supposed to be the type to display a whole lot of emotion. Wasn't he supposed to be a god among men, unable to relate to human beings? That's quite different from Batman.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Dr. Manhattan was supposed to be the type to display a whole lot of emotion. Wasn't he supposed to be a god among men, unable to relate to human beings? That's quite different from Batman.

He showed plenty of emotion here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4u-4PyidIeQ

 

[Boy Scout]

I know there are times where he does show some emotion (I've seen maybe the first 45 minutes of the movie), but I was always meant to understand that he normally doesn't.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Honestly, I say do it like the Arkham games, and give him contacts that allow him to map an enviroment, identify threats, etc..., and when its in use, he has that mythical white-eyed look.

 

[The Infernal]

Honestly, I say do it like the Arkham games, and give him contacts that allow him to map an enviroment, identify threats, etc..., and when its in use, he has that mythical white-eyed look.

Maybe, if it's used sparingly and isn't as powerful as it is in the games.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I know there are times where he does show some emotion (I've seen maybe the first 45 minutes of the movie), but I was always meant to understand that he normally doesn't.

People always point to the emotion angle with the lenses, but honestly, I don't think that's a great reason. First off, we have examples of actors like Hugo Weaving who managed to convey a plethora of emotions with his entire face covered in V for Vendetta. Secondly, if they do a silicone style mask that moves with his features, and white contact lenses, the actor would still be able to convey a wide range of emotions, we would see his eyes narrowing/widening, and see the muscles in his face move and contract as he emoted.

I personally would love to see that done.

 

[Bathead]

I think the biggest mistake with people who don't like the idea of the all pupil-less eyes is they keep saying you need to see the pupils in order for the eyes to display emotion. The thing is, it's not the pupils that show emotion it's a combination of how wide open the eyelids are and the shape of the eyebrows that show emotion. The pupils have nothing to do with it. You could give him blank white eyes, and he could still display all the emotion he needs. People are placing too much reliance on the old saying "The eyes are the windows to the soul." The blank eyes contribute a lot to the idea of Batman being something other than human, which is kinda the whole point of his Bat-persona.

 

[Uroboric Forms]

Besides, it's not crucial to have the entire face in order to convey emotion; Tom Hardy did an excellent job as Bane with everything but his eyes covered, Karl Urban did a great job as Judge Dredd, etc. If they had a prosthetic face on the mask which covered all the way down to the eyelids, then very little emotion is lost. Most of the time, Batman wouldn't be on an emotional rollercoaster while in the full costume, anyway.

 

[InJustice]

Devil's Advocate (as I'm not a big fan of white eyes other than the fact that I don't think they translate well on film): The cowl is designed to emote anger (see: Batman's cowl in film since 1989). The whole point of the Batman persona is that he's a personification of anger, it wouldn't make sense to emote other emotions, unless Batman was in certain situations (such as Superman seeing Batman grieve for his parents). Even then, it's not the pupils that do it, but how the actors use their eyes.

The best example is the evocative feeling of catharsis that Christian Bale shows as he takes the bomb outside of Gotham's radius. He realizes that he wants to live. And he elicits that by manipulating his eyes as to give a feeling of comfort, and release.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Besides, it's not crucial to have the entire face in order to convey emotion; Tom Hardy did an excellent job as Bane with everything but his eyes covered, Karl Urban did a great job as Judge Dredd, etc. If they had a prosthetic face on the mask which covered all the way down to the eyelids, then very little emotion is lost. Most of the time, Batman wouldn't be on an emotional rollercoaster while in the full costume, anyway.

Exactly

 

[Boy Scout]

People always point to the emotion angle with the lenses, but honestly, I don't think that's a great reason.

I understand where they're coming from. I think a great compromise would be for them to only be used in certain situations.

First off, we have examples of actors like Hugo Weaving who managed to convey a plethora of emotions with his entire face covered in V for Vendetta.

Sure. But I don't think a lot of people are that confident in Ben's capabilities as an actor.

Secondly, if they do a silicone style mask that moves with his features, and white contact lenses, the actor would still be able to convey a wide range of emotions, we would see his eyes narrowing/widening, and see the muscles in his face move and contract as he emoted.

I personally would love to see that done.

Same.

 

[Kevin Smith]

I like the trunks. On both Batman AND Superman's costumes. There's no reason for either to have ever lost theirs, IMO, and the problem with the Returns suit was not that it had trunks, it was the pattern they went with, color scheme, but especially that damn tiny ass "S" and how the cape went directly into the neck instead of resting on his shoulders a little, and then the "S" shield on the belt buckle. The pattern and tiny "S" were wrong for Routh's body type, and a tiny "S" shield on Superman is always bad in general, the blue was muted and the red areas looked almost like brown in some scenes. Those were the damn problems with that suit.

If someone would do a faithful adaptation of both Superman AND Batman's suits, now that would be awesome. I'd combine elements of both Routh's suit and the MOS suit - I like a lot of the elements of the MOS suit, but they could tone the bumpy chainmail look down just a little and make it look more smooth, for one thing, IMO. I hate the gauntlets on it as well. I don't see why they had to remove the boots on it though. The best elements of it are the boots, cape, and S" shield.

As for Batman, I'd love to see the yellow ellipse make a comeback, as well as the black and gray. Very anxious to see what Snyder has come up with.

 

[Binker]

The trunks are gone, live with it.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

People want trunks,live with it.

 

[roach]

Can we please stop saying things won't work on film…when they have actually never been tried?
Trunks won't work on film? Based on what? This is the first time a big budget film is attempting a comic faithful bat suit.
White eyes won't work on film? Again based on what? Because Sony is making a killing with a superhero with white eyes.

 

[Rodrigo90]

Trunks on the MOS suit just wouldn't work. Even the current comics costume.

Batman...I still think the trunks should've remained.

But because the suits on both characters are so technical and what not, trunks just don't work anymore.
The old plain costumes, that's when they worked.

 

[InJustice]

Can we please stop saying things won't work on film…when they have actually never been tried?
Trunks won't work on film? Based on what? This is the first time a big budget film is attempting a comic faithful bat suit.
White eyes won't work on film? Again based on what? Because Sony is making a killing with a superhero with white eyes.

Instead if asking this question, ad nauseum, can someone actually explain how they'd work then?

Trunks have been done on film, you can't ignore that just because it's Batman. The problem is that they are a dated concept, and even the comics recognize this. That being said, these same comics showed that trunks-less heroes didn't lose any of their recognizability or their iconography. So the argument that trunks are iconic for the superhero archetype doesn't hold well.

Also, that's a terrible example to defend the white-eyes argument. Spider-Man is one of the rare superheroes where it's absolutely necessary to have white-eyes since it's part of his costume design. However, you have characters where white-eyes didn't need to be applied: Batman, Wolverine, Mystique, to name a few. Did they lose anything just because they ditched the concept entirely/eye colour change? No. I have yet to hear a viable argument as to why white-eyes should be interpreted for film.

 

[roach]

Instead if asking this question, ad nauseum, can someone actually explain how they'd work then?

Trunks have been done on film, you can't ignore that just because it's Batman. The problem is that they are a dated concept, and even the comics recognize this. That being said, these same comics showed that trunks-less heroes didn't lose any of their recognizability or their iconography. So the argument that trunks are iconic for the superhero archetype doesn't hold well.

Also, that's a terrible example to defend the white-eyes argument. Spider-Man is one of the rare superheroes where it's absolutely necessary to have white-eyes since it's part of his costume design. However, you have characters where white-eyes didn't need to be applied: Batman, Wolverine, Mystique, to name a few. Did they lose anything just because they ditched the concept entirely/eye colour change? No. I have yet to hear a viable argument as to why white-eyes should be interpreted for film.

Why do they need to be explained? Why does anything attached to a superheroes costume need to be explained? We put more explanation into costumes than we do powers nowadays.

 

[Lencho01]

People always point to the emotion angle with the lenses, but honestly, I don't think that's a great reason. First off, we have examples of actors like Hugo Weaving who managed to convey a plethora of emotions with his entire face covered in V for Vendetta. Secondly, if they do a silicone style mask that moves with his features, and white contact lenses, the actor would still be able to convey a wide range of emotions, we would see his eyes narrowing/widening, and see the muscles in his face move and contract as he emoted.

I personally would love to see that done.

Yeah, it's not the eyes themselves that convey emotions. It's the muscles. Thus, the term "muscles of facial expression". Just look at the gif of Manhattan and you can clearly see he's upset. His eye color doesn't take away from that.