The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

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I feel like if any IP has ever needed the safe hands of an established director who knows how to make a crowd-pleaser and seems to specialize in revitalizing flagging franchises and making them feel fresh again with the GA, it's Superman. I'm all for giving the reins to an up-and-comer for the 2nd installment (JJ has a short attention span), but Supes needs a surefire hit for his next return, imo. I'm lukewarm on JJ as a filmmaker but the dude is in-tune with what what works for mass audiences in a way that very few writer-director-producers out there are. He could introduce a new Supes that the people could get behind, I'm sure of it. And then he can help choose his successor, much like he did when he passed the reins on to Brad Bird and Chris McQuarrie on Mission: Impossible.

All of this. Superman needs a movie where people will spend half of it in awe and the rest fist pumping cause it is super cool. It wont be deep or anything, but it doesnt have to be.
 
If JJ is going up take on Supes then he should only do the first movie then pass the baton down to another director. Sort of what he did after Force Awakens when he left Johnson take over. Into The Darkness proved he can’t do sequels well, imo. Even with all the controversy Last Jedi got, I’m still relieved he never directed it.
 
I don't want a Superman film to be a vacuous crowd pleaser. I don't want it be be a hollow special effects demonstration and well trodden cliches. I don't want it to be safe and philosophically lobotomised.
Superman exists to stand up to injustice, to confront problems in society. A Superman story shouldn't be something that comforts and tells people everything's alright, a Superman story should be a call to arms, telling people to follow his example, get off their kiesters and start making things better.

I don't want another generic action film, I don't want JJ Abrams Superman.
 
I don't want a Superman film to be a vacuous crowd pleaser. I don't want it be be a hollow special effects demonstration and well trodden cliches. I don't want it to be safe and philosophically lobotomised.
Superman exists to stand up to injustice, to confront problems in society. A Superman story shouldn't be something that comforts and tells people everything's alright, a Superman story should be a call to arms, telling people to follow his example, get off their kiesters and start making things better.

I don't want another generic action film, I don't want JJ Abrams Superman.
Agreed. What we need is a fresh and ambitious film that’s relevant to our times. I don’t a bland Force Awakens or Trek ‘09 retread. I don’t want a safe Superman movie.
 
I don't want a Superman film to be a vacuous crowd pleaser. I don't want it be be a hollow special effects demonstration and well trodden cliches. I don't want it to be safe and philosophically lobotomised.
Superman exists to stand up to injustice, to confront problems in society. A Superman story shouldn't be something that comforts and tells people everything's alright, a Superman story should be a call to arms, telling people to follow his example, get off their kiesters and start making things better.

I don't want another generic action film, I don't want JJ Abrams Superman.
Wasn't that the idea behind Snyder's Superman?

I do think Abrams could deliver something more than a "vacuous crowd pleaser".
 
Nah man. What Superman needs now is another divisive movie that underperforms, gets critically panned and people fight about for years.
 
If a Superman film is just going to be a generic feel good movie repeating hollow messaging that people forget about afterwards, it might as well not exist.
There's no point making Superman popular if you have to sacrifice what makes him important along the way.
If all people have to say about a Superman film is that the action scenes were good, or the jokes were funny, it is a failure. Just saying, "hope is good" is hardly a worthwhile contribution to the zeitgeist.
When Superman was created, he was a radical, an outlaw challenging the status quo, he fought for workers rights, against political and industrial corruption. He stood for clear, tangible change in the world.
Superman should challenge us to take a look at ourselves, our world and our actions, consider what we are doing wrong and what more we can contribute. If he isn't going to do that, then we might aswell get rid of him.
 
If a Superman film is just going to be a generic feel good movie repeating hollow messaging that people forget about afterwards, it might as well not exist.
There's no point making Superman popular if you have to sacrifice what makes him important along the way.
If all people have to say about a Superman film is that the action scenes were good, or the jokes were funny, it is a failure. Just saying, "hope is good" is hardly a worthwhile contribution to the zeitgeist.
When Superman was created, he was a radical, an outlaw challenging the status quo, he fought for workers rights, against political and industrial corruption. He stood for clear, tangible change in the world.
Superman should challenge us to take a look at ourselves, our world and our actions, consider what we are doing wrong and what more we can contribute. If he isn't going to do that, then we might aswell get rid of him.

I mean, I see where you’re coming from, but I think we also need to take into account that this is still a story about a bulletproof guy who can fly and comes from another planet. There’s nothing wrong with incorporating real world problems into the story but I also think you need to be careful with it because if you add too much, it just becomes heavy handed. Because at the end of the day, a super powered being isn’t going to end racism or stop greedy corporations from screwing their employees out of adequate wages and good healthcare.

If I recall correctly, you’re not a fan of Marvel’s output but I think they strike the right balance when they try to work real-world issues into their work while not beating audiences over the head with it. For example, they did a pretty good job of taking on drone warfare in Captain America: TWS, but it was still a thrilling spy adventure film with a lot of heart. If a Superman film tries to tackle real world issues, then I hope they don’t take it too far.

But I also believe that a Superman film that doesn’t address real world concerns can still be good. Superman (1978) didn’t really, and it’s still one of the best in the genre, if not the best. Superman can still be inspiring if he’s written and acted well.
 
Dealing with real world issues doesn't necessarily mean making the film itself realistic. Superheroes, like myths, often deal with them as metaphors. Jack Kirbys Fourth World could never be accused of being "grounded", it's wacky and fantastical, but it had an awful lot to say about social, political and philosophical issues.
 
I think First Class is the best CBM with the right mix of seriousness, humor, drama, and the comic book elements. Insert Superman in that kind of movie and it would be perfect.
 
The studio has less clarity on what to do with Superman, a character who has now been rebooted two different times in the last 13 years, once with Brandon Routh (“Superman Returns”) and later with Henry Cavill (“Man of Steel”) without landing on a winning strategy. Superman has also appeared frequently on television, in shows such as “Lois and Clark” and “Smallville,” which has led to some fears at Warners that the market could be over-saturated with hot takes on all things Clark Kent.

To help find a way to make Superman relevant to modern audiences, studio brass has been polling lots of high-profile talent. There have been discussions with J.J. Abrams, whose company Bad Robot recently signed a massive first-look deal with the studio, and there was a meeting with Michael B. Jordan earlier this year with the “Creed” star pitching Warners on a vision for the character. However, Jordan isn’t ready to commit to taking on the project since filming doesn’t seem likely to happen for several years and he has a full dance card of projects. Insiders think that a new Superman film is unlikely to hit screens before 2023, given that there’s no script and no director attached..

DC Films Plots Future With Superman, Green Lantern and R-Rated Movies (EXCLUSIVE)
 
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Good. They shouldnt move forward until they have an idea what they think will work. To be honest, if they are moving on From Cavill it is probably best for now to let sleeping dogs lie.
 
I can wait as long as they formulate a clear plan going forward and not some half-hearted patchwork plan. Patience is a good thing.
 
With DC Films I've learnt not to expect anything until they're actually filming it (even then...)
 
They need to let the film franchise rest awhile and let the TV franchise spread it wings.

When they do eventually reboot the films, they need to get back to basics and get back to Clark Kent and his supporting cast of characters which have endured for 80 years.

Whether its grounded in reality, is a universe building film, etc., is gravy.

Ultimately they need to have a good story and a Clark Kent/Superman that the audience will care about and root for.

They can't take for granted that audiences will care just because someone new is wearing the cape. They're gonna have to find the right actor who can do that ,and the right director and script that that actor can work with.
 
I'm guessing Jordan pitched the Calvin Ellis/ earth 23 Superman.
 
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