The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[Herolee10]

Yeah whatever design they go for, both for the 'S' and the suit... that's not something I want to let dictate my anticipation for the film.

Unless it's something that obviously illustrates something about the story. Like announcing a black suit.

I don't think the KC symbol alone indicates anything other than an attempt to use a logo that's different than other films.

I don't love it. I wouldn't have chosen it. But I'll get on board.

IMHO, getting the emblem right is almost as important as the actual casting and characterization.

Gunn really made a stupid decision to go with a KC inspired symbol. If this is just a small preview of what the costumes will look liken under his direct supervision, then I don't see the DCU having a long life.

 

[Dr.]

I saw this concept logo a while back and I dug it.

https://www.deviantart.com/braydentheartist/art/Supermans-logo-Concept-drawing-design-983181209

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IMO… The cleverness of the iconic shield design stems from the blending of the framing pentagon with the central S graphic. As a result, there’s an interesting visual ambiguity — a bit of trompe l'oeil — between the foreground and background elements. Whereas, something like the Fleischer shield (conspicuous yellow frame, red S) is more prosaic.

Re: the KC shield. Compared to the traditional version, it’s a bit more abstract and unfamiliar. However, if it’s mostly seen attached to a guy in a blue unitard and a red cape, it’ll be quite obvious what the symbol means. My chief criticism of the KC shield is that, in isolation, it seems a tad cold and militaristic. But, again, if the guy wearing it smiles a lot and rescues kitties, a more austere design probably won’t be a big issue.

 

[GreenKToo]

I haven't had a JE cast as Lex moment yet. When he was cast, I knew we were in trouble with BvS.

Once the suit is revealed, and if it looks like shet, I'll be the first to say so.

 

[Captain Tired]

My moment with BvS was when they released a few preview clips and the dialogue sounded very clunky. In particular, the scene they released of Lois talking to Perry during a staff meeting sounded very 'first draft' dialogue, I remember thinking.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

IMHO, getting the emblem right is almost as important as the actual casting and characterization.

Gunn really made a stupid decision to go with a KC inspired symbol. If this is just a small preview of what the costumes will look liken under his direct supervision, then I don't see the DCU having a long life.

I get why you feel that way, I know it does hold some meaning... I think I'd just like to keep schrodinger's cat in the box as long as possible

The symbol & suit design COULD suck, in an otherwise incredible Superman movie. Or it could be the first red flag of a dissapointng one.

Also, just a reminder (for me too) that symbol has not been officially announced as being used on the suit... its feeling likely, but we don't yet know for sure.

Oh and hey Herolee! Long time no chat!

 

[hopefuldreamer]

 

[The Batman]

Yeah well, I watched the show for a while back in the 90s and I thought he as bland and wooden. And that was long before he came out as a raging bigot. Just my thoughts though.

Cain is a perfect example of some of the problems I have with modern Superman adaptions. He's great if you like the John Byrne take on the character, but for me, the Superman aspect of his performance is so, as you said, bland and wooden.

After binge watching the show a few years ago, I felt that it was one of those Superman adaptions where Superman/Clark was one of the weakest aspects. I will say that I think it has a great Lois, great Lex, and arguably the best Perry White.

I see that some people here thought Cain/Hatcher were a better pairing than Reeve and Kidder, and I can't agree with that at all. IMO, Hoechlin and Tulloch are the only modern Clark/Lois pairing that aren't steps behind Reeve/Kidder.

 

[Captain Tired]

If we're doing a tally of those who like or dislike Cain's Superman, put me firmly in the camp that thinks he's fantastic. Even if it is true that he can't go five seconds without folding his arms in character.

 

[GreenKToo]

IMO… The cleverness of the iconic shield design stems from the blending of the framing pentagon with the central S graphic. As a result, there’s an interesting visual ambiguity — a bit of trompe l'oeil — between the foreground and background elements. Whereas, something like the Fleischer shield (conspicuous yellow frame, red S) is more prosaic.

Re: the KC shield. Compared to the traditional version, it’s a bit more abstract and unfamiliar. However, if it’s mostly seen attached to a guy in a blue unitard and a red cape, it’ll be quite obvious what the symbol means. My chief criticism of the KC shield is that, in isolation, it seems a tad cold and militaristic. But, again, if the guy wearing it smiles a lot and rescues kitties, a more austere design probably won’t be a big issue.

It is kinda jarring, but it's because it's something we aren't used to seeing.

 

[AverageMan]

The majority of stuff he's sharing is Alex Ross, KC. It would be a helluva swerve now if the logo is anything but the KC one or something very similar.

 

[king666]

I haven't had a JE cast as Lex moment yet. When he was cast, I knew we were in trouble with BvS.

Once the suit is revealed, and if it looks like shet, I'll be the first to say so.

Eisenberg could've been good IMO. He's a good actor. The direction he took with the character sucked, though.

 

[flickchick85]

But isn't that symbol primarily associated with the KC version? Have you seen any other versions wear that symbol?

What's depressing about this is that I really thought we were finally going to get the definitive costume with David's Superman. I'll likely have to wait until they cast a new actor for Superman again before my wishes come true.

Honestly, I think there's a better chance of Henry's Superman growing on you then this symbol growing on me.lol

Well most recently:

Routh's version in Crisis was also a hybrid of Reeve's Superman and KC Supes, and he wore it. According to him, it symbolized “hope cutting through the darkness.”

More importantly, Kingdom Come as a story, and what it represents in the grander scheme of the DC Universe, is a return to form - a "back to why we do this" for superheroes at large, led by Superman - amidst a much more cynical superhero landscape than the one Supes created. IF Gunn is using this shield, I have to assume that's a big part of why he would do so.

 

[flickchick85]

To kill my enthusiasm for this, we would have to quite literally get something like this.

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The logo we are apparently getting is fine.
It wouldn't have been my first choice, but it's acceptable.

I mean look, I wouldn’t want it as a first outing or anything, but I’d be kinda jazzed to see this in live-action, ngl.

 

[Babillygunn]

But isn't that symbol primarily associated with the KC version? Have you seen any other versions wear that symbol?

What's depressing about this is that I really thought we were finally going to get the definitive costume with David's Superman. I'll likely have to wait until they cast a new actor for Superman again before my wishes come true.

Honestly, I think there's a better chance of Henry's Superman growing on you then this symbol growing on me.lol

I think that what is mostly associated with the Kingdom Come symbol is the black background as opposed to the shape of the “s”.

Besides, Kingdom Come is probably the greatest comic ever written. Superman in particular, is written with amazing depth. He retains his stallwart moral compass while simultaneously being conflicted and shown to wrestle with imperfections. It’s a perfect way to show a Superman who does have imperfections and conflicts, while still respecting his core and not making him a villain or just a jerk (which is what most writers do.)
I actually would put Kingdom Come into my all time top 5 pieces of literature.

so I don’t understand why this symbol would in any way ruin the movie or why (1) it is closely associated with Kingdom Come when it likely does not have the most striking differentiation that set the Kingdom Come symbol apart (the black background); or (2) why Kingdom Come would in any way carry a poor connotation when it is such a quality and classic story.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I think that what is mostly associated with the Kingdom Come symbol is the black background as opposed to the shape of the “s”.

Besides, Kingdom Come is probably the greatest comic ever written. Superman in particular, is written with amazing depth. He retains his stallwart moral compass while simultaneously being conflicted and shown to wrestle with imperfections. It’s a perfect way to show a Superman who does have imperfections and conflicts, while still respecting his core and not making him a villain or just a jerk (which is what most writers do.)
I actually would put Kingdom Come into my all time top 5 pieces of literature.

so I don’t understand why this symbol would in any way ruin the movie or why (1) it is closely associated with Kingdom Come when it likely does not have the most striking differentiation that set the Kingdom Come symbol apart (the black background); or (2) why Kingdom Come would in any way carry a poor connotation when it is such a quality and classic story.

Yeah, KC is easily in my top 3 comic books of all time (and those are interchangeable so it is often my #1 depending on my mood). Superman is depicted pretty much perfectly and I hope that someday we get a film adaptation of that story (or even better, a big budget TV miniseries). Some people have speculated that Superman Legacy will be a “reverse Kingdom Come” in which a young, idealistic Superman emerges in a world full of “grim and gritty” heroes and attempts to steer them all in a more heroic direction. I feel like that approach could work if Gunn does it right. It just depends on writing, really.

 

[SupermansPal]

I’m far more concerned about the speculation that the movie will be a “reverse Kingdom Come”, I really don’t want this movie to get lost in meta commentary.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

What’s really gonna be fun is turn that occurs when the seemingly diplomatic “the trunks are outdated and don’t work, but I wouldn’t be mad if Gunn goes with them” people start freaking out because we’re gonna get trunks

the discourse will be delicious

 

[Boom]

Or, as I suspect will be the case, the suit will have trunks and everybody will come to realize that they work and that they're actually not worth overthinking about at all.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

If Brandon Routh on a CW produced television program of all things can prove they work, then it’s quite clear they work. the people in charge just have to want to make them work. And that person is James Gunn, so…..

 

[dhandler01]

To kill my enthusiasm for this, we would have to quite literally get something like this.

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The logo we are apparently getting is fine.
It wouldn't have been my first choice, but it's acceptable.

If you besmirch Superman Blue one more time I will stab you with a Kryptonite Spear Snyder-style!!! :furious:

 

[WatchProtect]

Generally I don't think I care about the trunks. But this is most likely (hopefully) gonna be THE Superman for the next bit and Cavill and Hoechlin both don't have them so I say definitely give them to Corenswet, as well as a brighter Blue...please

 

[dhandler01]

But isn't that symbol primarily associated with the KC version? Have you seen any other versions wear that symbol?

What's depressing about this is that I really thought we were finally going to get the definitive costume with David's Superman. I'll likely have to wait until they cast a new actor for Superman again before my wishes come true.

Honestly, I think there's a better chance of Henry's Superman growing on you then this symbol growing on me.lol

You do understand that just because you think something is "definitive" doesn't mean the rest of us do right?

 

[Chip Chipperson]

In 2025, you will believe that a man who flies can also pull off wearing red undies

 

[dhandler01]

Well most recently:

Routh's version in Crisis was also a hybrid of Reeve's Superman and KC Supes, and he wore it. According to him, it symbolized “hope cutting through the darkness.”

More importantly, Kingdom Come as a story, and what it represents in the grander scheme of the DC Universe, is a return to form - a "back to why we do this" for superheroes at large, led by Superman - amidst a much more cynical superhero landscape than the one Supes created. IF Gunn is using this shield, I have to assume that's a big part of why he would do so.

 

[Babillygunn]

I’m far more concerned about the speculation that the movie will be a “reverse Kingdom Come”, I really don’t want this movie to get lost in meta commentary.

How is Superman inspiring wayward heroes a concerning form of “meta commentary?”

It sounds like Superman to me.