The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[SupermansPal]

 

[dhandler01]

Them duking it out to Seether and Slipknot!

I was just at a festival and Slipknot played...ya know I love that era of music but they have always sucked!

 

[Eddie Dean]

Slipknot? The man who can climb anything?

 

[dhandler01]

I don’t think Pattinson will ever cross over with Corenswet Superman, but I think they could because it is fiction and they could write it that way.

There is very little chance they could write it in such a way that would make any sense and we as an audience would accept unless it was two different Earths. It would be very cringey to watch them try and square the peg of "why would heroes let Gotham get that out of control" prior to the creation of Batman. Why was there no mention of any heroes? Unless it actually takes place in the 90s (it obviously doesn't) it will make zero sense.

 

[DKDetective]

Be all that as it may, when Gunn released the first image of Corenswet suited up it was definitely framed as the first Superman reveal from the new movie. Why would it secretly be Ultraman or some other villain? If that were true it would serve no purpose other than to infuriate fans who were waiting for the reveal.

Personally, I just think it's an early shot (and a clumsily set up one at that, with strange lighting and an awkward stance) and they tweaked some things on Corenswet's suit by the time shooting came round. It's not the first film to do this, even Cavill's first reveal with him in the suit in front of the destroyed bank vault door was a little different from the final product. This pic was shot 4 months before principal photography, they probably already had the set built for the bank scene. His hair is a lot bigger on the sides here than in the final film.

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Snyder had changed the filtering and lighting for the actual footage later, hence suit a little brighter and more shadow in the still images.
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The fundamental difference is that the Cavill shot was released right at the outset of principal photography and only involves a slight change to his hairstyle. What you are suggesting here is that they released an early test photo with a previous version of the suit (the changes made means it needed to be remade from scratch) when they were halfway through principal photography on this film. To me, that is a big difference.

I could see why Gunn would release an image of the doppelganger. If the rumours about this film are true, a big part of the story is Superman being framed and people believing the worst about him as a result. It could be some sort of meta commentary on our eyes deceiving us or something.

 

[routhman]

The fundamental difference is that the Cavill shot was released right at the outset of principal photography and only involves a slight change to his hairstyle. What you are suggesting here is that they released an early test photo with a previous version of the suit (the changes made means it needed to be remade from scratch) when they were halfway through principal photography on this film. To me, that is a big difference.

They often make multiple test suits to evaluate which one to go with. It’s very possible that this was just one of the suits they were testing early on, and they liked this photograph as we’ve discussed previously. So it’s not necessarily true that they had to remake the suit like you keep insisting. They probably made multiple to begin with.

Is that choice to release a photo of an outdated suit (with a couple small differences like trim and collar) a little weird? Yeah, but I find the prospect of them releasing a photo of the villain to be a much stranger decision than any of the decisions that seem to bother you.

 

[dhandler01]

I don’t see a reason why those characters couldn’t have existed in the Batman universe. Just because those characters doesn’t mean they have to be mentioned?

I once again disagree with the idea of aesthetic contrast being a bad thing, when that’s interests me about it. The idea of a Batman as grounded as Pattinson existing in the same world as Metamorpho is what makes that crossover exciting

Gunn is on record saying this too, that he wants all of these properties to feel like they come from different WORLDS — just like the comics; that he doesn’t want them all cut from the same cloth e.g MCU. I don’t need Batman to wear trunks and be campy just because Superman does, if anything , that’s why he shouldn’t

People forget that Batman started out as a grounded detective in the comics too before intermingling with the fantastical

Comics are different. You can get away with way more in that medium than you can in movies or TV.

I don't think you are actually reading what people are saying. No one is saying Batman has to be like Superman. They should be very different. We are saying that Reeve's universe does not feel like the Gunn version so far. His world has no heroes...no real sense of hope. And it is early enough in Batman's career so the "The heroes stay off of Batman's turf" doesn't jive. Heroes exist in Gunn's universe, and have for quite some time. Yet not one of them did anything to help Gotham? None of them went to go see what is up with this weird Bat-Guy in the city (The Batman was Year 2 so they would know about it) or try and stop the massive amounts of crime? Alfred never tries to convince Bruce to reach out?

If at any point this was the plan Reeves would have put something in there to set it up or leave it as a possibility with an Easter Egg or something. He didn't, and he has made it pretty clear he doesn't want to. Doing stuff retroactively is always a mess, you have to set this stuff up or the quality stinks. There is no need to shoehorn something together when the creatives involved have no interest in it.

 

[Eddie Dean]

There is very little chance they could write it in such a way that would make any sense and we as an audience would accept unless it was two different Earths. It would be very cringey to watch them try and square the peg of "why would heroes let Gotham get that out of control" prior to the creation of Batman. Why was there no mention of any heroes? Unless it actually takes place in the 90s (it obviously doesn't) it will make zero sense.

But what if they wrote it in a way that made sense?

 

[dhandler01]

Thanks for posting a very clear example that it could work.

Not with the version of Superman Gunn is writing.

You guys sound like the people who wanted Arthur Fleck in The Batman...

 

[dhandler01]

i agree that Reeves shouldn’t be “forced into” doing it but don’t you think that’s a bit selfish of him? Especially considering the state of DC brand right now.

There’s a reason why Gunn is trying to create a unified brand, because it’s a stronger media consolidation. Reeves is the outlier here and it sounds like Gunn WANTED to fold him in, originally, and had a plan for how it would work

I wouldn’t be surprised if Gunn wanted to use Dick Grayson as Robin initially before Reeves got in the way

We just ignoring Joker?

Reeves has been given his own universe...even has TV shows for his version. They are expanding it. Not everything DC Studios makes needs to be the same universe. Hell Joker and The Batman showed both can be successful without having any relation to each other.

 

[dhandler01]

I think you missed the premise of the conversation. I don't want it to happen. But the idea that it's an inherently bad idea that couldn't possibly work out is just flat out wrong, and doesn't understand the very concept of Superman and Batman teaming up.

No you are misunderstanding. This is not about whether Superman with Batman can work...they obviously can. We are saying these versions of Superman and Batman wouldn't work because of the way their films are set up. Part of that is that Reeves pre-dates Gunn and made a universe that has no intention of ever crossing over. He would write his own Superman for his universe and that could totally work, but Corenswet and his universe does not seem compatible.

 

[Pennywise]

 

[dhandler01]

That's bull. It isn't just Batman. Superman The Movie is an all-time classic and the ****ing benchmark for the genre. Wonder Woman 2017 was a success because it had a strong-writer director who did her own thing and told a great, accessible solo adventure. It didn't need its stupid DCEU bookends.

With the isolated exceptions of Superman Returns and Wonder Woman 84, all of DC's failures have been tied to forced attempts to develop properties without strong creatives. I don't like it, but Aquaman was hit for the same reason in that you got an actually strong creative voice in James Wan to take the property and run with it.

Man of Steel failed because they couldn't get a serious director to agree to take on Goyer's mess of a script and therefore went with Hack Snyder because some suit liked him and nobody else would take the job. It is a lot easier to attract high quality talent if you let creatives take the property and develop their own vision.

Nolan is why Snyder directed MOS.

 

[Eddie Dean]

No you are misunderstanding. This is not about whether Superman with Batman can work...they obviously can. We are saying these versions of Superman and Batman wouldn't work because of the way their films are set up. Part of that is that Reeves pre-dates Gunn and made a universe that has no intention of ever crossing over. He would write his own Superman for his universe and that could totally work, but Corenswet and his universe does not seem compatible.

Kinda like how the original Batman and Superman comics where created by different people with no plan of crossing over but then they did?

 

[Karelia]

 

[Eddie Dean]

Nolan is why Snyder directed MOS.

No, Snyder directed MOS because WB was under a deadline to make a Superman movie or they had to pay back Jerry Siegel's heirs for lost income on the decades of unmade Superman movies and all of Nolan's top choices turned them down.

 

[Invader Joker]

Kinda like how the original Batman and Superman comics where created by different people with no plan of crossing over but then they did?

Oh please dude. By the time the first Batman-Superman crossover came around Batman comics had devolved into such a high level of fantasy it was extremely easy to imagine those two in a crossover. Not to mention those comics were very very very simple and obviously did not feature strict rules for their world or whatever. This is not the case with Pattinson's Batman in which every single detail of the production was made through a very very very specific "realistic and grounded" lens. Matt could not even bear Batman gliding with his cape because it was unrealistic so he gave him a wingsuit.

 

[Captain Tired]

I don't think he would lend himself to any cheap promotional schemes, Mr White.

 

[Sverdlovski]

I don't think he would lend himself to any cheap promotional schemes, Mr White.

How would you know that?

 

[dhandler01]

So you like seeing the controversy of what two Batmans is going to cause. You think Superman is controversial because of the Snyderbros, you have not seen anything yet with two Batmans.

What controversy? No one cares but a few people online.

How many Spidermen are there?

 

[Sverdlovski]

Page 666. Mwahahaha

 

[Captain Tired]

Page 666. Mwahahaha

And yours is the first post, too. You have the honour of leading the procession for the satanic ritual.

 

[dhandler01]

But what if they wrote it in a way that made sense?

But what if they didn't?

See I can do that too!

 

[Eddie Dean]

Page 666. Mwahahaha

 

[dhandler01]

Slipknot? The man who can climb anything?

RIP