The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[hopefuldreamer]

‘Superman’ to film scenes at Progressive Field

Production on DC's upcoming "Superman" movie moves to Progressive Field this week.

www.cleveland.com

 

[flickchick85]

I’m assuming some kind of action sequence if it’s for several days, but it would be kinda funny if it was just the Planet crew catching a game .

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I’m assuming some kind of action sequence if it’s for several days, but it would be kinda funny if it was just the Planet crew catching a game .

Bizarro: "ytic ruoy kcab ekat, siloporteM."

 

[Lily Adler]

I’m assuming some kind of action sequence if it’s for several days, but it would be kinda funny if it was just the Planet crew catching a game .

Ah yes the Israelis vs Palestinians game at Gaza Stadium.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My take…

There is a certain type of fan who takes it for granted that Superman — in terms of tone and approach — has the same sort of “flexibility” as (say) Batman.

It’s a fact that Batman has co-starred with Scooby-Doo in a cartoon; and he’s also the protagonist in the “dark, serious, mature” Matt Reeves movie. Ostensibly the same character. But very different interpretations. Is that a problem? I don’t think so. Folks can certainly have their preference for a particular approach. For example, some place the Nolan Trilogy as the definitive representation. For others, the Burton (or even Schumacher) films are more to their liking. And yet (as far as I’m aware), there doesn’t seem to be a lot of “just doesn’t get the character” criticism that one Batman camp uses to describe the other. Rather, the discrepancies seem to be accommodated as legitimate variations-on-a-theme.

Currently, I’m enjoying My Adventures with Superman. But I also think Batman v Superman (Ultimate Edition) is a very interesting exploration and deconstruction of the superhero mythos and genre. And to my mind, liking both doesn’t constitute some weird conflict — any more than liking both the Adam West and Christian Bale versions of Batman (for different reasons) is a conflict.

Now, I suppose one could dispute my premise: Batman and Superman are not comparable. So while Batman allows for wide variations, Superman does not. There’s basically only one way to depict Supes. And the others constitute corruptions — instances of “not getting” the character. Well… I can only speak for myself. (Though, I don’t think my POV is particularly unique). And typically, I’m entirely open to a variety of approaches for Superman.

I admit I’m a bit skeptical about Gunn’s Superman. But I extend benefit-of-the-doubt. I’m certainly hoping for good things.

I actually think you hit the nail on the head, but in the process hurt your own argument.

So much of the jokes when Batman hangs with other characters in more kids' fare, is playing up a lot of the core elements, to a cartoonish degree. Batman doesn't play well with others, Batman's depressed, Batman doesn't use guns, Batman doesn't kill, Batman's rich, Batman's desire for family, etc. These are elements you constantly see popping up in these adaptations. Core elements of the character and his personality that are far more often then not, there.

It's the same with Superman, Thor, Wally West, Wolverine, etc. when an adaptation is good. And that's the thing. The quality of an adaptation matters.

My favorite recent example isn't a big Hollywood production, but that awful Spider-Man fan film that so many were getting ready to treat like it was a "real" Spider-Man adaptation. Where in the first few minutes we see Spider-Man uses others as a human shield. That right there, is not Spider-Man. No matter how you slice it, putting others at risk to protect himself is not something Spider-Man would do. And once that becomes a thing, it ceases to be Spider-Man.

 

[flickchick85]

Yeah my problem with BvS ain’t that it has a serious tone, it’s that it executed its serious tone so badly, had the characters behave so ridiculously, and sold its “realism” so poorly, that I couldn’t actually take it seriously at all. Same problem I always had with Arrow, honestly, just with a bigger budget: its self-seriousness unintentionally crossed over into self-parody. Add to that it seemed to have no interest in the core tenets of the main characters it was portraying, and it just left me with nothing of value to take from it whatsoever.

 

[Karelia]

Man, Gunn really got the kitchen smelling good with what he's cooking. I can't wait for that first trailer!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yeah my problem with BvS ain’t that it has a serious tone, it’s that it executed its serious tone so badly, had the characters behave so ridiculously, and sold its “realism” so poorly, that I couldn’t actually take it seriously at all. Same problem I always had with Arrow, honestly, just with a bigger budget: its self-seriousness unintentionally crossed over into self-parody. Add to that it seemed to have no interest in the core tenets of the main characters it was portraying, and it just left me with nothing of value to take from it whatsoever.

Another thing on BvS/Snyder's JL and the concept of deconstruction.

If you're going to deconstruct something, you need to understand it. Because it's not enough to say Superman happy, now Superman sad, is some sort of deconstruction. It's simply not.

With Snyder's "deconstruction" there is nothing deconstructive about it. The idea is for this group to still be the proper JL, with the usual JL tropes. It's still for Superman to eventually go bad, even after he's already gone through resurrection and his blue period. It's still for Batman to default to Batman, even after being a murderous psychopath. Diana is just Diana. It's just these people through the lenses of an edgelord, and that's not what a deconstruction is.

And it makes sense from the guy who directed a Watchmen adaptation, and actual deconstruction, who did not understand the point of the material. Which is why he tried to Heavy Metal it a bit.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

 

[Babillygunn]

Maybe I’m a simpleton, but I also have a problem with having a depressed Superman murder someone and then call it deconstruction and shame people who don’t want Superman snapping necks as being juvenile and simply wanting a live action cartoon.

 

[SupermansPal]

 

[GreenKToo]

He doesn't offset the natural balance because he exists in a world with supervillains and killers who operate on the same scale he does. There IS a story where he tries to solve world hunger and it kinda blows up in his face, though. It's called Superman: Peace on Earth by Paul Dini and Alex Ross. I don't love the resolution, but I do appreciate the exploration in terms of character.

As for your first question, Superman is a large scale fireman. Do you expect firemen to take on the sins of everyone they save? Supes will never regret saving anyone because saving a life is always the right thing to do in the moment. No one has the right to single-handedly decide who "deserves" saving. What that person chooses to then do with their 2nd chance at life is entirely on them. That's free will, warts and all.

I can speak to this as I'm an emt/firefighter.
I had a medical call once ( an overdose ).

Once I arrived on scene, I recognized who the patient was. It was a convicted pedophile.

I did my job anyway, and gave him narcan.
Did I want to? Nope, but I treated him all the same.
Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do, even if it makes your skin crawl.

I've had my share of good calls as well, but that's a story for a different day.

 

[GreenKToo]

Ah yes the Israelis vs Palestinians game at Gaza Stadium.

That game would bomb......

 

[GreenKToo]

The bridge photos. People have suitcases etc with them. They are obviously evacuating metropolis..

 

[DarthSkywalker]

The bridge photos. People have suitcases etc with them. They are obviously evacuating metropolis..

Gotham rent about to skyrocket!

 

[Still Wynning]

The issue is that some people seem to think it's unrealistic for Clark to be idealistic and hopeful. That it's unrealistic for Lois to be so wild and tenacious and still be loveable to him. That wearing brightly coloured costumes is unrealistic. That its unrealistic for his parents to have been so supportive and encouraging.

My favorite recent example isn't a big Hollywood production, but that awful Spider-Man fan film that so many were getting ready to treat like it was a "real" Spider-Man adaptation. Where in the first few minutes we see Spider-Man uses others as a human shield. That right there, is not Spider-Man. No matter how you slice it, putting others at risk to protect himself is not something Spider-Man would do. And once that becomes a thing, it ceases to be Spider-Man.

Yeah my problem with BvS ain’t that it has a serious tone, it’s that it executed its serious tone so badly, had the characters behave so ridiculously, and sold its “realism” so poorly, that I couldn’t actually take it seriously at all.

With Snyder's "deconstruction" there is nothing deconstructive about it. The idea is for this group to still be the proper JL, with the usual JL tropes. It's still for Superman to eventually go bad, even after he's already gone through resurrection and his blue period. It's still for Batman to default to Batman, even after being a murderous psychopath. Diana is just Diana. It's just these people through the lenses of an edgelord, and that's not what a deconstruction is.

I’ve said it before in another comment, but I always found the defenses of MoS and BvS being more “realistic“ to be laughable, considering that Snyder, to give a reason why his Clark Kent/Superman’s remained so consistently dour and broody, had to make the version of his DC universe and it’s inhabitants so comically and ludicrously depressing and uninviting so as to be cartoonishly unrealistic.

When people who do these adaptations say they’re doing something “realistic“, what they really mean is that they are a bunch of cynical edgelords who can’t even possibly fathom any actual goodness in the world or good people doing good for the sake of good, and see all of that as just a childish fantasy, and you should just grow up and live in the real world. They see the source material as too childish or beneath them, use the skin of the property to create and exercise there own “mature“ take and cynical views of the world, and then hide behind the defense of “It’s realistic“ and/or “You just don’t get it” to defend from any actual criticism, ironically coming across as extremely childish and immature, because they actually haven’t matured past their own stunted adolescence, thus invalidating the “point“ of whatever they were trying to do in the first place.

Something something C.S. Lewis, something something put away childish things.

 

[Captain Tired]

Me every time I wander into the thread and am ambushed by another Snyder discussion.

 

[agomezv3]

If it's for several days it makes me think the final battle will be there

 

[Karelia]

Me every time I wander into the thread and am ambushed by another Snyder discussion.

I don't think we have made it a page without it being brought up lol.

 

[Super Kal]

I loved Man of Steel even though it was a bit dark for my liking, but BVS... I loathed, despised, and hated that film with a fervent passion.

The way it portrayed Superman was absolutely horrendous. Grittiness, the dark tones that Superman himself had, even the overall look of Superman in the film, when he was facing Lex Luthor, I still can't get over how obscenely black the suit itself looked... and if you look at this suit from behind the scenes, it's beautiful color wise, the blue is actually blue, it's not a steel gray blue, the red is a bright red, the yellow is actually yellow... I look at that scene and then I compare it with the night scenes that I see from STM, and then I Zack Snyder's visual aesthetic in BVS... is a complete it's a joke.

I think, one of the main things I want to see from this new film, is a hopeful, positive, optimistic, bright Superman... that's why love how bright and colorful the suit is, and that gives me hope that the character of Superman is not anything like the Superman that we saw in BVS... I miss seeing a hopeful, upbeat Superman that humanity can look up to and say let me strive to be like that...

I want to see a world that looks at Superman with hope and optimism and tries to reflect that in themselves, not this dark brooding depressed Watchmen version of Superman, because honestly that's what it came across as...

 

[GreenKToo]

If it's for several days it makes me think the final battle will be there

What would make the citizens evacuate tho? I'm sure, by now, they've seen their fair share of heroes and villians fighting in the streets. They're probably ho hum to all that by now.

This must be something that's a much bigger threat.
Maybe the eyeball thing we saw in the first suit reveal?
I could however be reading too much into it, and they are constantly evacuating, but I don't think so

 

[SupermansPal]

I loved Man of Steel even though it was a bit dark for my liking, but BVS... I loathed, despised, and hated that film with a fervent passion.

The way it portrayed Superman was absolutely horrendous. Grittiness, the dark tones that Superman himself had, even the overall look of Superman in the film, when he was facing Lex Luthor, I still can't get over how obscenely black the suit itself looked... and if you look at this suit from behind the scenes, it's beautiful color wise, the blue is actually blue, it's not a steel gray blue, the red is a bright red, the yellow is actually yellow... I look at that scene and then I compare it with the night scenes that I see from STM, and then I Zack Snyder's visual aesthetic in BVS... is a complete it's a joke.

I think, one of the main things I want to see from this new film, is a hopeful, positive, optimistic, bright Superman... that's why love how bright and colorful the suit is, and that gives me hope that the character of Superman is not anything like the Superman that we saw in BVS... I miss seeing a hopeful, upbeat Superman that humanity can look up to and say let me strive to be like that...

I want to see a world that looks at Superman with hope and optimism and tries to reflect that in themselves, not this dark brooding depressed Watchmen version of Superman, because honestly that's what it came across as...

And the most baffling thing is that MoS' ending scenes actually shows a way more traditional Superman that is by far the most likable Cavill ever was in the role.

I kinda wonder if Snyder doubled down out of some childish pettiness over the MoS criticism.

"oh they think this Superman is too dark and gritty? I will show them a dark and gritty Superman".

 

[Captain Tired]

For all its faults, he's at his best in Whedon's JL.

Even with the CGI'd upper lip.

 

[DKDetective]

And the most baffling thing is that MoS' ending scenes actually shows a way more traditional Superman that is by far the most likable Cavill ever was in the role.

I kinda wonder if Snyder doubled down out of some childish pettiness over the MoS criticism.

"oh they think this Superman is too dark and gritty? I will show them a dark and gritty Superman".

That sounds like Snyder to me. The guy seems extremely petty, like how he pitted his rapid online cult against his studio enemies. Or how he defines his critics as a bunch of virgins living in their parents' basements.

Which ironically is the opposite of my experience. Real adults, especially those with children like myself, appreciate the idea of goodness and decency. We dream about such things because we want that for our children and for our children to inherit a better world.

 

[DCDAVE]

I loved Man of Steel even though it was a bit dark for my liking, but BVS... I loathed, despised, and hated that film with a fervent passion.

The way it portrayed Superman was absolutely horrendous. Grittiness, the dark tones that Superman himself had, even the overall look of Superman in the film, when he was facing Lex Luthor, I still can't get over how obscenely black the suit itself looked... and if you look at this suit from behind the scenes, it's beautiful color wise, the blue is actually blue, it's not a steel gray blue, the red is a bright red, the yellow is actually yellow... I look at that scene and then I compare it with the night scenes that I see from STM, and then I Zack Snyder's visual aesthetic in BVS... is a complete it's a joke.

I think, one of the main things I want to see from this new film, is a hopeful, positive, optimistic, bright Superman... that's why love how bright and colorful the suit is, and that gives me hope that the character of Superman is not anything like the Superman that we saw in BVS... I miss seeing a hopeful, upbeat Superman that humanity can look up to and say let me strive to be like that...

I want to see a world that looks at Superman with hope and optimism and tries to reflect that in themselves, not this dark brooding depressed Watchmen version of Superman, because honestly that's what it came across as...

BVS was made to embarrass Superman and to promote Batman. I will never understand how the Snyder bros can back that blatant shot at big blue. Snyder fridged the Man of Steel. I can’t forgive that.