The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[SupermanFan]

Well like you say, we’ll just have to agree to disagree there because I don’t find that to be the case AT ALL. Especially not in a post-Snyder DC world. Superman moved on from that theme/style a long time ago, and whenever they try to bring it back (as in Smallville or JL), the results have just been...sad and awkward.

I don’t think get Snyder movies are a good measure to say that’s the cases for general audiences accepting moving on from it when this episode movies weren’t well received.

I disagree that the theme has felt sad and awkward when used in recent times. It worked well in Smallville and even better in Krypton. The one time it’s felt off was in Justice League which we all know why. I’d also add while Superman Returns was a mixed bag it’s score was fantastic & John Othman mixed the Williams music well wity his new stuff, so I think the WIlliams theme can easily work with a more modern score. Also I hate fan edits when they mix music in that’s not intended for something but a fan edit of the Williams theme in Tyler Hoechlin’s first appearance as Superman worked extremely well.

Btw I’m not saying I won’t accept a new theme either cause I will but I definitely think the majority of general audiences expect the theme. Which I’m taking from people I know and even social media reactions from people who watch the movies but aren’t massively into this stuff. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked at all if in the next movie we hear the Williams theme again.

 

[flickchick85]

We'll just have to agree to disagree about the recent uses of the Williams score, too. It worked in SR because that was the same take on Superman it was written for and that whole take was meant to be nostalgic, but that's it, imo. All those others you mentioned were awful to me.

 

[misslane38]

Well like you say, we’ll just have to agree to disagree there because I don’t find that to be the case AT ALL. Especially not in a post-Snyder DC world. Superman moved on from that theme/style a long time ago, and whenever they try to bring it back (as in Smallville or JL), the results have just been...sad and awkward.

You're the only person I've ever heard from that didn't like the theme used on SMALLVILLE. I recall fandom reaction back then. While people were disappointed in no suit, the theme at the end with the shirt rip was one of the high points for many. Sorry you disliked it.

 

[STARMAN]

I want new music. One of the reasons beyond keeping things fresh and new is that in some ways you want the audience to forget Reeve and Kidder while watching the new actors. Even in SR, when I heard the Williams' theme it reminded me that Routh and Bosworth were sort of imposters.

I thought the Williams theme worked in Season 2 of Smallville more so than the finale. In season 2, I recalled they played new arrangements of FOS and a few bars of the main theme in the episode where Reeve appeared which was fitting and effective. They also played Planet Krypton in a cliffhanger scene late in Season 2 when Clark's barn lit up. In both cases they were effective in creating a certain mood, a touch of nostalgia, without being distracting or overwhelming.

There are times I feel like the use of classic theme can be a cop-out. A shortcut or cheap trick to arouse emotion because the current material, including original music can't do it.

One of the rare times it worked in movies for me was SOLO. The Star Wars and Millenium Falcon theme was sprinkled in with such a fresh new arrangement it almost made me feel like I was hearing those classic themes for the first time.

 

[SupermanFan]

I’d argue Superman Returns while completely ripping off the plot of Superman the Movie & a few elements felt tonally nothing like the Donner movies. I think the Superman score working in that movie with Ottman’s other themes shows how flexible the theme is and how it can fit with different tones.

 

[Legendver2]

A majority of general audience expect the theme because that was the last time a piece of music was associated with a good Superman film (to the general audience. I loved MoS). Batman 1989's theme is just as iconic, but apart from it's sequel, most fans and audience are excited to hear what new theme is made for every new reboot. If DC and WB wants to stop being pigeonholed into the Chris Reeve's film corner, they just need a good theme with a good film to break that expectation. If they keep using the Williams theme with everything, everything is going to get compared to the Reeve films and never judged on its own.

 

[Vaibow]

A good film, regardless of its theme, will be able to break away from any comparisons.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I would honestly hate for a new superman movie to revert back to the Williams theme. Same for batman. People gotta learn to let stuff go. If you hold on to what's past you leave no room for growth.

 

[Vaibow]

I would honestly hate for a new superman movie to revert back to the Williams theme. Same for batman. People gotta learn to let stuff go. If you hold on to what's past you leave no room for growth.

I disagree.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Thats fine. But I don't think the superman or batman theme are so intrinsic to the characters that they HAVE to be attached to every movie version.

 

[Rorschach2012]

I know this isn’t the right place for this, but here’s my take on the Man of Steel! Hope you guys like it:

 

[flickchick85]

That’s a really cool piece, @Rorschach2012 !

 

[Rorschach2012]

Thanks Flick

 

[GreenKToo]

Make a superman film that works.
Get his character right, have the film hit you in right in the feels. If they can do that then have girls girls girls as his theme for all I care.
Seriously, if the film works, so will the theme.
If it fails, then the lack of a William's theme will be noted as some as partial blame.
You know I'm right.

 

[Rorschach2012]

We already got the return of the Williams and Elfman themes in Justice League. Time to move tf on

 

[Gamma Goliath]

After hearing that little snippet of Giaccinos batman theme I'm super curious as what supermans would turn out like. Although the mos theme was also extremely well executed.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah I think it’s time to let the John Williams theme go. I know it’s iconic and there have been franchises like Bond that kept the same theme throughout, but I think the difference there is that we’ve had other versions of Superman that didn’t use the theme. I liked Zimmer’s theme a lot and I think if MOS has been a better film, then it might have finally taken over as the new Superman theme for a while, just like his Batman themes took over from Elfman’s.

 

[Sawyer]

Listening to his Shazam theme and knowing he’s worked with Zimmer, I think someone like Benjamin Wallfisch would land in the middle ground between old-school Williams and the Zimmer era while also delivering something fresh.

 

[mclay18]

I would honestly hate for a new superman movie to revert back to the Williams theme. Same for batman. People gotta learn to let stuff go. If you hold on to what's past you leave no room for growth.

That's like saying they should come up with a new theme for James Bond, when Monty Norman's theme has been used for over 70 years for many different interpretations. (And people would complain if it was scrapped for something generic.)

I get wanting to start fresh, but Williams' theme is iconic and can be arranged differently to fit different kinds of Superman.

Am I the only one who looked at the rumors about WB reconsidering their Superman plans last week and then have Snyder announcing his cut of JL to stream on HBO Max?

I think they're willing to give Cavill another shot.

 

[Invader Joker]

God I really don't want Cavill back. The more I look back on his portrayal the less of it and I don't think you can blame it all on Snyder, I think he's to blame too. He lacks the "everyman" quality Clark Kent should have when he doesn't have the suit, he just feels bland most of the time

 

[SwordOfMorning]

God I really don't want Cavill back. The more I look back on his portrayal the less of it and I don't think you can blame it all on Snyder, I think he's to blame too. He lacks the "everyman" quality Clark Kent should have when he doesn't have the suit, he just feels bland most of the time

My thing with Cavill is that he's fine. He looks the part, does a decent job and with better directors has a ton of old school matinee idol charisma but he's a little... On the nose? I want to see Clark played by a bold, interesting choice.

I just don't want to see the Superman mythos Snyder built continue. I don't even particularly dislike it necessarily, I just want to see a great filmmaker come on board and make it their own.

Most importantly I just want a Lex Luthor that isn't terrible. Somehow he's been in almost every Superman movie yet it feels like he's also never been in one. Don't get me wrong, I love the Hackman/Spacey Lex but the closest we've come to a post-Crisis Luthor in live action has been in Smallville of all the damn things.

 

[chamber-music]

I don't think we saw a lot of everyman Clark Kent.

We didn't get Clark interacting in the daily planet bull pen with other staff like Jimmy Olsen, Steve Lombard, Cat Grant and Ron Troupe or socializing at the Ace o'Clubs.

Even though I don't think Cavill is the greatest actor, I do think Cavill has more to him than we saw in the movies. Actors can only work with what they are given.

 

[chamber-music]

Most importantly I just want a Lex Luthor that isn't terrible. Somehow he's been in almost every Superman movie yet it feels like he's also never been in one. Don't get me wrong, I love the Hackman/Spacey Lex but the closest we've come to a post-Crisis Luthor in live action has been in Smallville of all the damn things.

Jon Cryer is doing a good job as post-crisis Lex Luthor on Supergirl in my opinion.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I don't think we saw a lot of everyman Clark Kent.

We didn't get Clark interacting in the daily planet bull pen with other staff like Jimmy Olsen, Steve Lombard, Cat Grant and Ron Troupe or socializing at the Ace o'Clubs.

Even though I don't think Cavill is the greatest actor, I do think Cavill has more to him than we saw in the movies. Actors can only work with what they are given.

Cavill absolutely could have been better in the role than he was. Scary CG lip or no scary CG lip he’s really quite good in JL.

 

[flickchick85]

Jon Cryer is doing a good job as post-crisis Lex Luthor on Supergirl in my opinion.

My ideal Lex is a bit more "leading man"-esque in appearance, but otherwise, Jon Cryer has been perfect, imo.