The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread (🚨TAG SPOILERS🚨)

[DlAMONDZ]

I swear if they give Margot/Harley another solo movie and not Superman..

 

[Prettyricky]

I swear if they give Margot/Harley another solo movie and not Superman..

Highly doubt that given her god awful solo bombed and lost money. I just wanna know what WB’s plans are exactly. On the surface it sounds like there getting back into bed with snyder to give fans closer but if his cut is a hit then what do you do? Move forward with what they had planned 3 years ago?

 

[The Guard]

Highly doubt that given her god awful solo bombed and lost money. I just wanna know what WB’s plans are exactly. On the surface it sounds like there getting back into bed with snyder to give fans closer but if his cut is a hit then what do you do? Move forward with what they had planned 3 years ago?

I suspect they want the Snyder Cut to hype people up for Henry Cavill as Superman again a bit, but I think they've been planning Superman and Shazam for a while. It's like the worst kept secret in superhero movies. The question was whether Superman would be played by Henry or someone else.

 

[Superark]

I honestly think WB is testing the waters right now. They got interest piqued when they announced the Snyder cut of JL (with Cavill in attendance), now with the announced cameo(s).

They might get the ball rolling on MOS2 if the Snyder Cut is extremely well-received next year.

Piqued with whom? It's the same people that were already fans. A loud vocal minority. Fans of Cavill will remain whether the Snyder cut is good or bad.

The general audience doesn't care and never have. He was okay. It was the same reaction to Routh by the GA.

Honestly, just like the Bat vs Superman extended version, those who love Snyder's take on DC will love his version of JL and those who don't will continue to hate it. I don't see much in the way of saying opinions.

Honestly, this Cavill news just baffles me if there is no MOS 2. Makes no sense. I almost wonder if this is WBs way of attempting to boost Shazam 2s BO, as the first one was slightly underwhelming at the BO.

I'm also curious if The Rock had any involvement. He's friends with Cavill and If WB is thinking of a Shazam vs Black Adam showdown, I could see how they would want Superman involved.

That's the only way I could see this. Even that is nowhere ideal.

 

[Sawyer]

Highly doubt that given her god awful solo bombed and lost money. I just wanna know what WB’s plans are exactly. On the surface it sounds like there getting back into bed with snyder to give fans closer but if his cut is a hit then what do you do? Move forward with what they had planned 3 years ago?

Wasn’t a solo and wasn’t god awful, but go off I guess...

 

[Invader Joker]

 

[flickchick85]

 

[Superark]

So I ask again, what's even the point?

Maybe this is just Cavill's chance to say goodbye to the character, similar to Routh in Infinite Crisis?

 

[Frodo]

Superman returns. Goes to show , you can never say never in Hollywood.

 

[flickchick85]

So I ask again, what's even the point?

Testing the waters. If the cameo is well-received, he might get another solo. If it goes over like a lead-balloon like his other appearances, they'll move on for a fresh start. That's my guess.

 

[Superark]

Testing the waters. If the cameo is well-received, he might get another solo. If it goes over like a lead-balloon like his other appearances, they'll move on for a fresh start. That's my guess.

Sorry, I just do not see it. WB knows what they are getting with Cavill. They've had three movies now for the audience to decide how they feel about him. Hardcore fans love or like him, and the general audience is indifferent to him.

At this point you would just be serving hardcores without truly giving them anything of substance. I don't see this make or breaking MOS 2.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Superman being a supporting character in Shazam 2 or whatever has probably been in the cards for awhile. WB doesn't seem to have any faith in Superman's popularity as a solo act so it makes sense to me they'd try making him an ensemble player.

 

[Prettyricky]

Wasn’t a solo and wasn’t god awful, but go off I guess...

We must of saw different movies

 

[mclay18]

Sorry, I just do not see it. WB knows what they are getting with Cavill. They've had three movies now for the audience to decide how they feel about him. Hardcore fans love or like him, and the general audience is indifferent to him.

Snyder directed those three movies. We got glimmers of charisma in MOS and in the Joss Whedon-directed portions of JL.

Cavill nailed the Superman I wanted to see at the end of JL. I really think he can do a better job under a director like Whedon or Patty Jenkins (who made Gal Gadot so effortlessly charming and charismatic in WW).

 

[DlAMONDZ]

WB is trying to have their cake and eat it too.This is what they're doing with the movies. Making unconnected standalone movies but at the same time keeping them connected somehow

Sad thing is, this is probably best case scenario. If WB/Henry move on it'll be 10+ years before we see Superman again unless another lawsuit comes WB's way

 

[flickchick85]

Superman being a supporting character in Shazam 2 or whatever has probably been in the cards for awhile. WB doesn't seem to have any faith in Superman's popularity as a solo act so it makes sense to me they'd try making him an ensemble player.

Exactly. And even if you consider the scenario of them rebooting Superman with a new actor - they probably wouldn't want to introduce the new guy in a Shazam cameo instead of letting the new director get to do his own thing, either, so it would still make more sense to just stick with Henry for that.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I will say that I think Snyder did Cavill super dirty. For such a messy, aesthetic focused director Zack has a great eye for casting and gets such good performances they come damn close to saving his worst constructed scenes (say what you will about Martha, Ben is acting the **** out of it) but he just... Made Henry a statue. I don't think Henry's the best actor but a boring block of wood he ain't so part of me is happy he might get to show his stuff before departing.

 

[Jekecy]

Exactly. And even if you consider the scenario of them rebooting Superman with a new actor - they probably wouldn't want to introduce the new guy in a Shazam cameo instead of letting the new director get to do his own thing, either, so it would still make more sense to just stick with Henry for that.

I’d prefer they let the character stay dormant until they have an exciting direction to take and draw people in.

Unless Cavill and co. do something radical to reinvigorate the brand (I have my doubts), the mountain of indifference and skepticism towards this character is only going to make it more difficult for a new take to overcome.

Batman Begins has this issue all throughout production and theatrical run. That’s with 8 years of the series laying dormant after B&R, and with shining up-and-comers in Nolan/Bale.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I’d prefer they let the character stay dormant until they have an exciting direction to take and draw people in.

Unless Cavill and co. do something radical to reinvigorate the brand (I have my doubts), the mountain of indifference and skepticism towards this character is only going to make it more difficult for a new take to overcome.

Batman Begins has this issue all throughout production and theatrical run. That’s with 8 years of the series laying dormant after B&R, and with shining up-and-comers in Nolan/Bale.

Pretty much agree, I would actually be really concerned that another Cavill Superman movie would just kill the Superman solo franchise even deader than it currently is unless he somehow became a beloved figure from these cameos.

Superman deserves the kind of passionate, ground up reboot Batman is getting.

 

[flickchick85]

I’d prefer they let the character stay dormant until they have an exciting direction to take and draw people in.

Unless Cavill and co. do something radical to reinvigorate the brand (I have my doubts), the mountain of indifference and skepticism towards this character is only going to make it more difficult for a new take to overcome.

Batman Begins has this issue all throughout production and theatrical run. That’s with 8 years of the series laying dormant after B&R, and with shining up-and-comers in Nolan/Bale.

I suspect the Shazam cameo (if it is Shazam), coming from that team, will be very charming and heartwarming and remind people that they like Supes and that he has something to offer. And it could be WB's way of just reminding people they haven't forgotten about him, while they work on getting a project going that they actually believe in. Just something to tide people over, basically. And maybe, depending on its nature, it could even be designed as a poignant send-off to Henry's tenure (especially if the Snyder Cut doesn't provide any closure of the sort), who knows.

 

[Jekecy]

Pretty much agree, I would actually be really concerned that another Cavill Superman movie would just kill the Superman solo franchise even deader than it currently is unless he somehow became a beloved figure from these cameos.

Superman deserves the kind of passionate, ground up reboot Batman is getting.

Superman was afforded two great back-to-back opportunities with this.

Once in 2006, right when the genre was really starting to grab its footing and taking off with the masses.

Even after that one failed, miraculously just a mere seven years later, another shot at a full-on reboot and it cemented the IPs failure to break through.

I don't know if this brand can survive another strike. Maybe the transition from cameo, to ensemble piece, to solo adventures, ala MCU Spider-Man, is what they're trying to emulate. But I still think it's a mistake if it's with Cavill.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Superman was afforded two great back-to-back opportunities with this.

Once in 2006, right when the genre was really starting to grab its footing and taking off with the masses.

Even after that one failed, miraculously just a mere seven years later, another shot at a full-on reboot and it cemented the IPs failure to break through.

I don't know if this brand can survive another strike. Maybe the transition from cameo, to ensemble piece, to solo adventures, ala MCU Spider-Man, is what they're trying to emulate. But I still think it's a mistake if it's with Cavill.

A Superman film needs to be special. It needs to be unique and it needs to be great. The character has a lot to prove and, it pains me to say this, I don't think he's particularly popular among the general audience.

I believe that can change but they absolutely cannot half-ass it.

 

[Jekecy]

I suspect the Shazam cameo (if it is Shazam), coming from that team, will be very charming and heartwarming and remind people that they like Supes and that he has something to offer. And it could be WB's way of just reminding people they haven't forgotten about him, while they work on getting a project going that they actually believe in. Just something to tide people over, basically. And maybe, depending on its nature, it could even be designed as a poignant send-off to Henry's tenure (especially if the Snyder Cut doesn't provide any closure of the sort), who knows.

Hopefully it's the latter. Henry will knocking 40's door down before this gets really up and running.

While he certainly looks more phenomenal than most men that age, it's not a journey I'm interested in watching for the long-term. Give me young Supes to grow with.

 

[flickchick85]

Hopefully it's the latter. Henry will knocking 40's door down before this gets really up and running.

While he certainly looks more phenomenal than most men that age, it's not a journey I'm interested in watching for the long-term. Give me young Supes to grow with.

No argument there!

 

[SwordOfMorning]

I wonder if they'll give Henry a new look for the cameos? Especially if they're kind of backdoor pilots for a possible solo?